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WickedsDesire -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 1:46:25 PM)

Heh boscox the vacant what did you make of my pretty picture




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 2:53:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Raises the question, then, why they're lying about it.

You'd think they'd be proud.


assuming the republican "lie" is that "we are the most heavily taxed developed nation in the world", you shouldn't have too much of a problem coming up with a multitude of people over a number of years saying exactly that?




WickedsDesire -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 2:58:12 PM)

heh answer the fuking question dogsbreath44




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 3:38:58 PM)

I suggest one of a few things, either learn to read, take some medicine, get the help you need or don't respond to my posts.

im okay with all four. I suspect there are many others who think similarly.

and the same goes for the evil troll below too.




mnottertail -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 3:54:13 PM)

so what is it that nutsuckers are cockgargling about taxes? (thats already repeatedly failed)




BoscoX -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 4:07:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Raises the question, then, why they're lying about it.

You'd think they'd be proud.


assuming the republican "lie" is that "we are the most heavily taxed developed nation in the world", you shouldn't have too much of a problem coming up with a multitude of people over a number of years saying exactly that?


MM posts without thinking

One of those trolls who couldn't back up his alternative facts fake news spew if his life depended on it




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 4:54:15 PM)

i certainly don't watch/read political news and commentary most of the day, and of course even then, certain statements can slip through unnoticed, or alternatively, unremembered, but I don't recall over the years handfuls of republicans saying, either in writing or verbally, that the USA is the highest taxed nation in the world.

maybe some "nutsucker felchgobble" will make it so??

regardless though---despite a "lesser" comparison to the rest of the world in this regard, I have no problem saying we're taxed too much.




Lucylastic -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 5:02:58 PM)

trump did, but you are looking for history why?




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 5:12:59 PM)

because the op, here, and elsewhere, did not say "Donald trump" he said "they."

also, my premise being that one person (trump) saying something doesn't suffice to create an "American mythology" which would actually be a "body of myths" belonging to a group of people, not just the statements of one person.

and at least some of those times it appears, trump was referring to "the corporate tax rate."




Lucylastic -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 5:28:28 PM)

Well, im not searching anything out for you, but we have conversations here going on about the corporate tax rate going back to at least 2008, andthat was the last message returned, so there are over 300 posts at least about it.
It would be sensible to say that its a lot more people than trump saying it.
Oh and guess what, he is your president...




Musicmystery -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/29/2017 6:51:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Raises the question, then, why they're lying about it.

You'd think they'd be proud.


assuming the republican "lie" is that "we are the most heavily taxed developed nation in the world", you shouldn't have too much of a problem coming up with a multitude of people over a number of years saying exactly that?


MM posts without thinking

One of those trolls who couldn't back up his alternative facts fake news spew if his life depended on it

Well, you two kool-aid drinkers could start with the president claiming that.

It's a frequent Republican talking point. And a fair amount of whining goes on here about it.

But when it comes to posting without thinking, you're the expert, so I'll bow to your superior experience.

Google Trump: US pays highest taxes and you'll find he's repeated this frequently.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump%3A++us+has+highest+taxes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8




susie -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 9:09:57 AM)

FR

Very glad that the UK Corporation Tax is based on profit and not turnover as some of the countries listed on the link in the OPs post are.




tj444 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 12:37:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

despite American mythology, we are not the highest taxed nation on Earth.

True, but our business rates are at or near the top...

[image]https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Corp-income-tax-rate-small.png[/image]



K.



When is a business tax rate not a tax rate? When you are a large corp with the legal beagles that can negotiate in secret with the IRS on the corp's long term past, present and future tax rate.

What a medium sized business and mom & pop businesses pay is the advertised rate but what google, amazon, oracle, etc etc pay is considerably less..

So, if the US business tax rate is cut to 15%, how much less are these "elite" huge corps with these special IRS agreements gonna pay? Cuz ya know they sure as hell know they aint gonna wanna pay the same rate as average businesses..

The tax break that corporate America wants kept secret
When Oracle reported its latest quarterly earnings last month, most investors focused on the fact that its dividend doubled. The number that got less notice in its annual report a week later was its low tax bill -- nearly half the standard 35% corporate rate.

It’s a significant change from a decade ago, when the software giant began thinking about higher tax costs amid plans for growth. It turned to an obscure solution: confidential pacts forged between the Internal Revenue Service and multinational corporations that critics say can unwittingly bless aggressive tax strategies. In 2003 Oracle disclosed for the first time that it had sealed two such long-term pacts with the IRS and was negotiating additional ones.

The pacts, known as advance pricing agreements, effectively lock the IRS into agreeing with a company’s tax planning over many years, both future and past. Despite costing companies up to millions of dollars in fees to prepare and taking up to four years to seal, the agreements are nonetheless worth it to an elite group of big corporations that have them, including Google (goog, +3.79%), Apple (aapl, -0.10%), and Amazon (amzn, +0.71%).

The inner workings of the pacts, whose effects are sometimes not seen until years later, are not disclosed due to taxpayer confidentiality laws. Oracle (orcl, +0.42%) has not been accused of any wrongdoing. Still, the deals appear to have worked for the company: In fiscal 2003, its company's tax rate was 32%, reflecting $1.1 billion in cash income taxes paid to federal, state, local, and foreign collectors, on pre-tax income of more than $3.4 billion, securities filings show.

Fast-forward a decade, over which Oracle finalized four more pacts, including two governing foreign tax benefits, generally covering fiscal years 2002 through 2013, excepting 2006. It also consolidated hundreds of offshore subsidiaries into six core affiliates in Ireland, and by this year had amassed $26 billion in cash held overseas -- more than seven times 2003's level. As of May, when its 2013 fiscal year ended, Oracle had nearly halved its tax bill. It paid $2.6 billion in cash income taxes on pre-tax income of nearly $13.9 billion, a rate of just under 19%.

Jessica Moore, a spokeswoman for Oracle, declined to respond to questions about its tax deals.

Widening scrutiny of declining corporate tax bills has singled out the growing use of post office-box subsidiaries in offshore tax havens to hoard cash stockpiles and whisk profits away from higher-tax jurisdictions. Now some experts wonder if advance pricing agreements, perfectly legal under U.S. law and growing in number, sometimes play a major role in helping to shift some of those profits and drive down corporate tax bills.

“There’s a lot of confidential information in these deals, because it’s where companies make their profits,” said Patricia Lewis, a tax lawyer at Caplin & Drysdale who helps companies negotiate the pacts.

When applying for an agreement, companies must lift the curtain on their tax planning and convince the IRS that it is legitimate. The plan does not always work: Eaton Corp., a hydraulics maker, sued the IRS last year after the agency revoked its two pacts a year earlier and slapped it with a $369 million tax bill, not including penalties. Last month, a Tax Court judge said the closely-watched case could proceed and might go to trial.

Under the deals, the IRS agrees not to challenge the complex financial calculations underpinning the exchange of assets, goods, intellectual property, and money between a company and its overseas subsidiaries, typically in offshore havens like Ireland or the Cayman Islands. The exchange, known as transfer pricing, is supposed to be tallied at arm’s length prices, but different methodologies can produce different results. What’s clear, tax lawyers say, is that the calculations can be among the single biggest factors in lowering a company’s tax bill and boosting after-tax profits.

But some critics argue that through the pacts, the IRS can sometimes give up too much, particularly in an area -- transfer pricing -- that it increasingly considers a primary means of tax abuse by multinational corporations. “Of course companies are sneaking things by the IRS with these deals -- look, they are seeking to get authorization for something they know might not pass muster otherwise,” says Robert McIntyre, director of Citizens for Tax Justice, a left-leaning advocacy and research group.

Says Craig Sharon, a former director of the IRS’s APA program: “It’s possible to get a worse result than you would through an audit, but it’s also possible to get a better result.”

The manipulation of complex cross-border pricing by multinationals with subsidiaries in low-tax jurisdictions is a growing concern inside the IRS, which in 2011 created a new unit to deal with the problem and said it was developing a strategy to litigate abusive cases. Last year it moved its advance pricing program into the unit, saying it wanted to speed up processing of pact applications.

But if the new unit is a stick, the pricing agreements appear at times to be a carrot. The IRS approved a record 140 pacts last year, more than triple the number in 2011. Another 182 are pending renewal. Overall, since the program began in 1991, 1,155 pacts have been executed, IRS data shows. The biggest users are financial services companies with large cross-border trade, and technology and pharmaceutical companies.

Because the details of pacts are not public -- some companies don’t even disclose that they have them -- there is no way to know how the IRS is making decisions regarding murky areas of tax law. Critics argue that the process effectively creates a secret body of law, one that might not be applied evenly across companies. Shareholders know nothing of their details. And some tax experts say the IRS, loath to lose legal cases against corporations it sues to collect back taxes, is being more generous than it would be in an audit. “There’s a certain amount of compromise on both sides,” admitted one former director of the IRS’s advance pricing agreement program.

The IRS has always struggled to ferret out tax strategies that skirt the law or take advantage of gray areas. And it has had a dismal record of challenging transfer pricing issues in court -- in 2010 it lost a case seeking more than $1 billion from software maker Veritas, now part of Symantec (symc, +0.48%). So when the agency created a program for the pacts, in 1991, it envisioned a way to lighten its burden of scrutinizing a company’s books.

The IRS says the pacts are “designed to resolve actual or potential transfer pricing disputes in a principled, cooperative manner, as an alternative to the traditional adversarial process.” Michael Durst, a former director of the program, who is now at Steptoe & Johnson, said that “the goal, from the standpoint of the IRS, is that APAs won’t either increase or reduce companies’ tax bills -- instead, an APA will achieve the same result that a company would have reached after audit and possible litigation, but without all of the uncertainty and transaction costs.”

“Has the APA program contributed to abuses?” asked Sharon. “I would say, not intentionally.”


http://fortune.com/2013/07/22/the-tax-break-that-corporate-america-wants-kept-secret/




tj444 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 12:52:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Google Trump: US pays highest taxes and you'll find he's repeated this frequently.
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump%3A++us+has+highest+taxes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


I think its sorta funny him saying that, considering that the parade of business CEOs having cozy private chats with him are in all likelihood the same corps that have those secret negotiated advance pricing agreements with the IRS and pay about half what the "official" high US business tax rate is.. Those CEOs all leave with yuuuuge smiles on their faces.. hmmmm....

Funny too, the IRS raided Caterpillar a week after its CEO had a great meeting with Trump... The IRS says Caterpillar owes 2 billion in back taxes.. hmmm...

"Caterpillar Goes From White House Kudos to Multi-Agency Raid
One week ago, Caterpillar Inc. was being praised by President Donald Trump for producing great bulldozers. “I love Caterpillar," Trump told company Chairman Doug Oberhelman at a meeting of manufacturing heads at the White House.

On Thursday, officials from the Commerce Department, Internal Revenue Service, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and Illinois State Police moved in and out of the company’s corporate headquarters in Peoria, Illinois, in a raid seeking evidence related to exports and a Swiss subsidiary as part of a criminal probe.

Bloomberg News obtained copies of three related search warrants, signed Feb. 24 by U.S. Judge Harold Baker, that authorized seizure of a broad range of documents and electronic files related to Caterpillar’s Swiss affiliate, CSARL. Authorities, the warrants said, sought evidence related to potential crimes, including “failure to file or submitting false electronic export information” and “false and misleading financial reports and statements.”


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-02/caterpillar-falls-most-in-eight-months-as-facilities-raided




Termyn8or -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 1:28:48 PM)

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i like when the kiddie raper screams that


There again you show your rabid ultrasickening liberalism. There has not even been made an allegation of that.

How much else are you motherfuckers lying about ?

Not sticking up for the guy, but when you want to crucify someone, do it for what they actually did, not something in your fucking imagination.

As said, I don't like Trump much. But you children think that if you don't like someone they did all kinds of shit and whatever they do is bad. Keep losing credibility like that and you'll lose the next election.

If I were a liberal I would not want you on my side.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 1:34:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Raises the question, then, why they're lying about it.

You'd think they'd be proud.


assuming the republican "lie" is that "we are the most heavily taxed developed nation in the world", you shouldn't have too much of a problem coming up with a multitude of people over a number of years saying exactly that?


You have to understand the meaning of the word tax. Tax means burden. You tax a car engine going uphill in too high a gear. Having to pay matching SS is a tax. Having to pay special fees for certain types of waste disposal is a tax. Complying with certain regulations is a tax.

Thinking that all the word means is what you pay the government for the privilege to do business is short sighted and stupid.

T^T




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 3:27:39 PM)

the only thing in this case that needs to be "understood" is how the term "taxed" is defined by all these supposed people who created and continue to believe in the "mythology" that prompted the op to start the thread.





Musicmystery -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 3:55:51 PM)

How do you suppose Trump defines the term "taxed" in the "mythology" he continues to repeat?




bounty44 -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 4:10:42 PM)

i don't know, and you probably don't either.

but your recent statements and even the starting of this thread werent about "Donald trump's being in the wrong about taxes" they were about "americans" believing we were the most taxed nation in the world.

if you want to make it about Donald trump's statements and declare him wrong, then the onus is on you to understand the context in how he meant it.

but i'll say it again: one person doesn't create a mythology.





thompsonx -> RE: Which are the highest taxed countries? (4/30/2017 4:21:22 PM)

ORIGINAL: bounty44

i don't know, and you probably don't either.

but your recent statements and even the starting of this thread werent about "Donald trump's being in the wrong about taxes" they were about "americans" believing we were the most taxed nation in the world.

if you want to make it about Donald trump's statements and declare him wrong, then the onus is on you to understand the context in how he meant it.

but i'll say it again: one person doesn't create a mythology.


didn't dumb don say something about how smart people do not pay taxes?






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