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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 3:33:50 PM   
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And let BLM and their entire Gang, be the Police, and see if they can do a much better job of policing and protecting?


As was stated so well above, BLM says that all lives matter, theirs as much as others.

BLM, these are mothers and fathers and daughters and sons fearful of wayward police violence. And it is this kind of thug, gang, rapist, characterization that slanders people who are out trying to better their lives and the lives of their children. Shame on you, Greta.

Then why to the get mad when anyone says all lives matter?

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 3:38:13 PM   
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There are mean, miserable, cruel, power mad cops on the streets.

And Stoopid. . . . forgetting he was wearing a bodycam.

The father of a black teenage boy fatally shot in the head while in a car that was driving away from a policeman has sued the Dallas-area officer for excessive force over the incident that has stoked simmering debate about racial bias in U.S. policing.

The lawsuit filed at a federal district court in Dallas on Friday by Odell Edwards seeks undisclosed damages from former Balch Springs police officer Roy Oliver for shooting his son Jordan Edwards, 15, with a rifle, court papers showed.

It also named Balch Springs, a predominantly black and Hispanic city about 15 miles (25 km) from Dallas as a defendant. The lawsuit accuses the city of failing to properly train Oliver, a person plaintiffs described as having a short fuse and a history of abusive behavior toward citizens.

Oliver, who is white, was charged on Friday with murder for the death of Edwards, described by friends and family as a good student and athlete. His two brothers were in the car with him and watched him die, an Edwards family lawyer has said.

“Defendant Oliver shot Edwards in the head in plain view of his brothers ... with total disregard to the safety of others,” the lawsuit said.

City and police department officials were not immediately available for comment. Neither was a lawyer for Oliver.

Hundreds attended a funeral for Edwards on Saturday, held about a week after he was fatally shot. His family has asked that any protests be put on hold to give them time to grieve.

Oliver, 37, surrendered on Friday, hours after an arrest warrant had been issued and released on bond. He has not spoken publicly about the event.

The lawsuit alleges the two brothers were subject to racist comments, and the brother who sat beside Edwards when he died was handcuffed at the scene but not charged with any crime.

“(The brother) was not given any explanation and could not understand why he was being treated like a criminal,” the lawsuit said.


The Balch Springs Police Department said on Tuesday it had dismissed Oliver for violating department policies. Police originally stated the car with the teens was moving toward the officer at the time of the shooting, but said later that a police body camera showed the car was moving away from Oliver when he shot at it.

(Reporting by Jon Herskovitz; Editing by Peter Cooney)

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And he is being prosected so while what he did was horrible you have no claim against the dept. which fired him right off and the prosecution which is prosecuting him.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 4:13:41 PM   
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There are mean, miserable, cruel, power mad cops on the streets.

And Stoopid. . . . forgetting he was wearing a bodycam.

The father of a black teenage boy fatally shot in the head while in a car that was driving away from a policeman has sued the Dallas-area officer for excessive force over the incident that has stoked simmering debate about racial bias in U.S. policing.

The lawsuit filed at a federal district court in Dallas on Friday by Odell Edwards seeks undisclosed damages from former Balch Springs police officer Roy Oliver for shooting his son Jordan Edwards, 15, with a rifle, court papers showed.

It also named Balch Springs, a predominantly black and Hispanic city about 15 miles (25 km) from Dallas as a defendant. The lawsuit accuses the city of failing to properly train Oliver, a person plaintiffs described as having a short fuse and a history of abusive behavior toward citizens.

Oliver, who is white, was charged on Friday with murder for the death of Edwards, described by friends and family as a good student and athlete. His two brothers were in the car with him and watched him die, an Edwards family lawyer has said.

“Defendant Oliver shot Edwards in the head in plain view of his brothers ... with total disregard to the safety of others,” the lawsuit said.

City and police department officials were not immediately available for comment. Neither was a lawyer for Oliver.

Hundreds attended a funeral for Edwards on Saturday, held about a week after he was fatally shot. His family has asked that any protests be put on hold to give them time to grieve.

Oliver, 37, surrendered on Friday, hours after an arrest warrant had been issued and released on bond. He has not spoken publicly about the event.

The lawsuit alleges the two brothers were subject to racist comments, and the brother who sat beside Edwards when he died was handcuffed at the scene but not charged with any crime.

“(The brother) was not given any explanation and could not understand why he was being treated like a criminal,” the lawsuit said.


The Balch Springs Police Department said on Tuesday it had dismissed Oliver for violating department policies. Police originally stated the car with the teens was moving toward the officer at the time of the shooting, but said later that a police body camera showed the car was moving away from Oliver when he shot at it.

(Reporting by Jon Herskovitz; Editing by Peter Cooney)

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And he is being prosected so while what he did was horrible you have no claim against the dept. which fired him right off and the prosecution which is prosecuting him.

I believe the claim against the city may have merit because they selected him and trained him poorly. Good question, though.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 4:18:13 PM   
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And let BLM and their entire Gang, be the Police, and see if they can do a much better job of policing and protecting?


As was stated so well above, BLM says that all lives matter, theirs as much as others.

BLM, these are mothers and fathers and daughters and sons fearful of wayward police violence. And it is this kind of thug, gang, rapist, characterization that slanders people who are out trying to better their lives and the lives of their children. Shame on you, Greta.

Then why to the get mad when anyone says all lives matter?

My guess is they get mad because the counter slogan ignores what has been happening to black men at the hands of American Justice. An unarmed black man is much more likely to be shot dead by a cop. Some cities like Manhattan abused the "stop and frisk" programs. And the degree of black incarceration is a scandal.

I incorrectly identified the Black Panther activist Bobby Seale as Bobby Steel in post 43.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 4:21:32 PM   
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They never claimed that. They were quite vigorous in rejecting Ghandi and MLK Jr. They claimed that the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gave them the right to arm themselves for self-defense. Imagine! The gall of those darkies wanting to carry weapons. Next thing you know they will be sending their children to our schools and raping our women.


More desperate, underhanded "debate" tactics

No one in the real world has said or suggested anything that are in your delusional visions

How many times have I posted now that 'liberals" live in fantasies they create inside of their heads

No one in the real world? Really? You've been in touch with the real world? Since when?

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 5:06:42 PM   
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And let BLM and their entire Gang, be the Police, and see if they can do a much better job of policing and protecting?


As was stated so well above, BLM says that all lives matter, theirs as much as others.

BLM, these are mothers and fathers and daughters and sons fearful of wayward police violence. And it is this kind of thug, gang, rapist, characterization that slanders people who are out trying to better their lives and the lives of their children. Shame on you, Greta.

Then why to the get mad when anyone says all lives matter?

My guess is they get mad because the counter slogan ignores what has been happening to black men at the hands of American Justice. An unarmed black man is much more likely to be shot dead by a cop. Some cities like Manhattan abused the "stop and frisk" programs. And the degree of black incarceration is a scandal.

I incorrectly identified the Black Panther activist Bobby Seale as Bobby Steel in post 43.

You say they value all lives but they are offended if ayone other that a blacks life matters, that is wrong. They have the same blinders you do. If a black is killed by another black it is the white mans fault. And btw more unarmed whites are killed by cops, it is just that you, BLM, and the press ignore it. If you want to save black lives clean up the inner city that is where most black murders happen.
Finnally the city is doing every thing that should be done about the incident, you want them to cover up you pretend that going after bad cops doesn,t count.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 5:39:23 PM   
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And he is being prosected so while what he did was horrible you have no claim against the dept. which fired him right off and the prosecution which is prosecuting him.


That's just in the real world though

Doesn't count in leftist la-la land make-believe world

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 5:59:36 PM   
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And he is being prosected so while what he did was horrible you have no claim against the dept. which fired him right off and the prosecution which is prosecuting him.


That's just in the real world though

Doesn't count in leftist la-la land make-believe world

Yes, I know.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 7:51:38 PM   
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You say they value all lives but they are offended if ayone other that a blacks life matters, that is wrong.

Um, no. You are altering what I said. They are offended because they feel the bumper sticker counter slogan is a distraction from careful and thorough examination of their complaints.

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If a black is killed by another black it is the white mans fault.

Nobody makes that claim.

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And btw more unarmed whites are killed by cops, it is just that you, BLM, and the press ignore it.

More in raw numbers perhaps but not so in percentages when you consider that blacks comprise only 13% of our population.

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If you want to save black lives clean up the inner city that is where most black murders happen.

The chief complaint is the treatment of blacks by police.

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Finnally the city is doing every thing that should be done about the incident, you want them to cover up you pretend that going after bad cops doesn,t count.

It is quite common in tort law to sue the organization who is represented by the agent who committed the deed. That is the principle of agency in liability law.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 7:54:11 PM   
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That's just in the real world though

Doesn't count in leftist la-la land make-believe world

You obviously have no clue about the principles of agency in liability law. Your comments are embarrassingly shallow and ignorant.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/9/2017 8:40:46 PM   
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You say they value all lives but they are offended if ayone other that a blacks life matters, that is wrong.

Um, no. You are altering what I said. They are offended because they feel the bumper sticker counter slogan is a distraction from careful and thorough examination of their complaints.

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If a black is killed by another black it is the white mans fault.

Nobody makes that claim.

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And btw more unarmed whites are killed by cops, it is just that you, BLM, and the press ignore it.

More in raw numbers perhaps but not so in percentages when you consider that blacks comprise only 13% of our population.

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If you want to save black lives clean up the inner city that is where most black murders happen.

The chief complaint is the treatment of blacks by police.

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Finnally the city is doing every thing that should be done about the incident, you want them to cover up you pretend that going after bad cops doesn,t count.

It is quite common in tort law to sue the organization who is represented by the agent who committed the deed. That is the principle of agency in liability law.

More whites are shot in relation to the number of negative contacts.
Why does the % of blacks count when they get shot but not when they do the shooting.

You don't care more about one black shot by police than about 100 killed by other blacks, it is just that you are focused on real or imagined abuse by the police and can't be bother with the thousand murderd by other blacks. Do you realize that you are so focused on the evil white man that you can't see the real threat.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 8:29:37 AM   
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it is just that you are focused on real or imagined abuse by the police and can't be bother with the thousand murderd by other blacks. Do you realize that you are so focused on the evil white man that you can't see the real threat.

You asked why BLM get upset when confronted with the slogan "all lives mattered." I tried to give you an answer. You didn't like the answer so you attack the messenger claiming I am "so focused on the evil white men" Are you losing your cognition, Man? It is the BLM who have the complaint against the police; I only report it to you. If you don't like it complain to BLM. It is their grievance, but I do find the history of the denial of racist brutality kinda interesting.

Do you think we do not have a long history of police brutality in America?

Do you feel there is no justification for the Supreme Court's Ruling in Miranda?

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 1:17:12 PM   
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it is just that you are focused on real or imagined abuse by the police and can't be bother with the thousand murderd by other blacks. Do you realize that you are so focused on the evil white man that you can't see the real threat.

You asked why BLM get upset when confronted with the slogan "all lives mattered." I tried to give you an answer. You didn't like the answer so you attack the messenger claiming I am "so focused on the evil white men" Are you losing your cognition, Man? It is the BLM who have the complaint against the police; I only report it to you. If you don't like it complain to BLM. It is their grievance, but I do find the history of the denial of racist brutality kinda interesting.

Do you think we do not have a long history of police brutality in America?

Do you feel there is no justification for the Supreme Court's Ruling in Miranda?

Now who is distorting.
When you engage in this kind of debating all you are doing is agreeing with them but you what a way out when you get cornered.
There has been police brutality, I never said there wasn't.
I have said nothing about Miranda, forget smokescreens.
I still say when you go after the department in a case like this it is counterproductive. It encourages coverups if they still get burned when they go after a bad cop.
You know as well as I do that tort law is totally screwed up.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 2:35:59 PM   
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which is why citizens should carry and shoot cops and as citizens do their own internal investigations in private, so they dont create coverups and have to shoot a whole bunch more cops.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 6:07:47 PM   
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That's just in the real world though

Doesn't count in leftist la-la land make-believe world

You obviously have no clue about the principles of agency in liability law. Your comments are embarrassingly shallow and ignorant.

I'm not sure that it is accurate to describe Bosco's comments as "embarrassingly shallow and ignorant".

Bosco's comments are always "shallow and ignorant". No one familiar with his posts would suggest that either he or his readers are 'embarrassed' by his comments. Bosco revels in his shallowness and ignorance, to the extent that for him his shallowness and ignorance are sources of pride.

Perhaps 'depressingly/mind-numbingly/stupendously shallow and ignorant' (as Bosco's comments invariably are) might be more accurate.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 6:47:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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And let BLM and their entire Gang, be the Police, and see if they can do a much better job of policing and protecting?


As was stated so well above, BLM says that all lives matter, theirs as much as others.

BLM, these are mothers and fathers and daughters and sons fearful of wayward police violence. And it is this kind of thug, gang, rapist, characterization that slanders people who are out trying to better their lives and the lives of their children. Shame on you, Greta.

Then why to the get mad when anyone says all lives matter?

My guess is they get mad because the counter slogan ignores what has been happening to black men at the hands of American Justice. An unarmed black man is much more likely to be shot dead by a cop. Some cities like Manhattan abused the "stop and frisk" programs. And the degree of black incarceration is a scandal.

I incorrectly identified the Black Panther activist Bobby Seale as Bobby Steel in post 43.


And I thought that the statistics showed that an armed or unarmed black man was more likely to be shot by another black man.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 7:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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And let BLM and their entire Gang, be the Police, and see if they can do a much better job of policing and protecting?


As was stated so well above, BLM says that all lives matter, theirs as much as others.

BLM, these are mothers and fathers and daughters and sons fearful of wayward police violence. And it is this kind of thug, gang, rapist, characterization that slanders people who are out trying to better their lives and the lives of their children. Shame on you, Greta.

Then why to the get mad when anyone says all lives matter?

My guess is they get mad because the counter slogan ignores what has been happening to black men at the hands of American Justice. An unarmed black man is much more likely to be shot dead by a cop. Some cities like Manhattan abused the "stop and frisk" programs. And the degree of black incarceration is a scandal.

I incorrectly identified the Black Panther activist Bobby Seale as Bobby Steel in post 43.


And I thought that the statistics showed that an armed or unarmed black man was more likely to be shot by another black man.

I believe you are correct. However, it is the police who assume the duty to serve and protect.

The stats may also show that white men are more likely to be shot by other white men. I believe the operative word is propinquity.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 7:50:44 PM   
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That's just in the real world though

Doesn't count in leftist la-la land make-believe world

You obviously have no clue about the principles of agency in liability law. Your comments are embarrassingly shallow and ignorant.

I'm not sure that it is accurate to describe Bosco's comments as "embarrassingly shallow and ignorant".

Bosco's comments are always "shallow and ignorant". No one familiar with his posts would suggest that either he or his readers are 'embarrassed' by his comments. Bosco revels in his shallowness and ignorance, to the extent that for him his shallowness and ignorance are sources of pride.

Perhaps 'depressingly/mind-numbingly/stupendously shallow and ignorant' (as Bosco's comments invariably are) might be more accurate.



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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 7:56:55 PM   
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Now who is distorting.
When you engage in this kind of debating all you are doing is agreeing with them but you what a way out when you get cornered.
There has been police brutality, I never said there wasn't.
I have said nothing about Miranda, forget smokescreens.
I still say when you go after the department in a case like this it is counterproductive. It encourages coverups if they still get burned when they go after a bad cop.
You know as well as I do that tort law is totally screwed up.


A VERY, VERY high percentages of murder criminal cases against cops are rarely resolved against the officer, especially when a black man is the victim and even if the victim is shown on video running away when shot in the back.

Tort law is their only alternative.

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RE: Black Lives Matter Terrorists Are Real Winners - 5/10/2017 8:03:39 PM   
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Now who is distorting.
When you engage in this kind of debating all you are doing is agreeing with them but you what a way out when you get cornered.
There has been police brutality, I never said there wasn't.
I have said nothing about Miranda, forget smokescreens.
I still say when you go after the department in a case like this it is counterproductive. It encourages coverups if they still get burned when they go after a bad cop.
You know as well as I do that tort law is totally screwed up.


A VERY, VERY high percentages of murder criminal cases against cops are rarely resolved against the officer, especially when a black man is the victim and even if the victim is shown on video running away when shot in the back.

Tort law is their only alternative.

And no matter what the proof you never accept that the cop is innocent.

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