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I agree it's lame. But some context -- this song is exactly what the GOP sang in 1993 in a similar context.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_-rpxfYeo

I know what the RWNJ assholes will say, but whatever.

The GOP knows it is hurting society here-- it's what it does-- steal from the poor and give to the rich, no matter who gets hurt.
They're douchebags---it's expected.

But when the Dems actually know that this is going to hurt people and start acting like children because they think it's going to be the GOP's political downfall, it makes it really hard to support them.
This isn't a game-- people are going to die.

And they sing about it?
Lame.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

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That was one of the key points. Three+ decades ago, Hilary would have been the Republican candidate, given her stances.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

From what I understand since I'm am left wing and I know many people who are left wing, they vote on all of those issues. Hardly single issues when taken together, but with that said I don't dissagree that there are single issue liberals, they're just in the minority to be sure. You folks on the other hands will proportionally vote on things like guns and not care about anything else. Or vote in the wall, or terrorists, or one specific thing and not care about much else. I've met many conservatives and they all have that tendency. Don't cry to me that your ilk usually can't see beyond their own family or property.

But in all honesty, you're right that liberals haven't focused enough on economics. True, progressive, and all encompassing economics. It's really the one thing you didn't write down up there. That needs to change without a doubt. So thank you for making that point abundantly obvious.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You say "Single issue voters" and then you name multiple issues.

While we're on the subject, how many Republicans might as well not even run unless they're pro-life? the party bosses basically kick them out.
I daresay that there are a LOT more single issue Republicans.

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That was one of the key points. Three+ decades ago, Hilary would have been the Republican candidate, given her stances.

That's one of the reasons the last election was so depressing, really: she sounded like her name was Bush while she was campaigning but the Republicans voted for a special needs plutocrat instead because of the letter after her name.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You say "Single issue voters" and then you name multiple issues.

While we're on the subject, how many Republicans might as well not even run unless they're pro-life? the party bosses basically kick them out.
I daresay that there are a LOT more single issue Republicans.

While I understand that there aren't that many liberals left in office in the U.S., can you name a dozen that are prolife? Don't kid yourself, leftist loonies are all single issue voters.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You say "Single issue voters" and then you name multiple issues.

While we're on the subject, how many Republicans might as well not even run unless they're pro-life? the party bosses basically kick them out.
I daresay that there are a LOT more single issue Republicans.

While I understand that there aren't that many liberals left in office in the U.S., can you name a dozen that are prolife? Don't kid yourself, leftist loonies are all single issue voters.

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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?

They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

From what I understand since I'm am left wing and I know many people who are left wing, they vote on all of those issues. Hardly single issues when taken together, but with that said I don't dissagree that there are single issue liberals, they're just in the minority to be sure. You folks on the other hands will proportionally vote on things like guns and not care about anything else. Or vote in the wall, or terrorists, or one specific thing and not care about much else. I've met many conservatives and they all have that tendency. Don't cry to me that your ilk usually can't see beyond their own family or property.

But in all honesty, you're right that liberals haven't focused enough on economics. True, progressive, and all encompassing economics. It's really the one thing you didn't write down up there. That needs to change without a doubt. So thank you for making that point abundantly obvious.

I'm glad we had someone so wise to sort all of that out! It really helps the liberals to know who is "us" and who is "them"'so they know who to inflict guilt free hate upon.