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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:02:00 PM   
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I agree, the democrats need to be better. Don't do what Hilary did with trump and just sit back and let them do what they do, hoping it causes them to loose. Because if they put forward another corporate candidate like Hilary who won't run on an economic platform that is truly democratic, they'll loose. Again. Bernie is the most popular politician in the US, why? Because he has popular ideas that appeal to a lot of people in the US. Hillary and the corporate democrats don't. They run on progressive social issues, but they aren't the important issues facing most Americans, that's why Trump was elected. Trump promised to fix the economic situation of the country, Hilary didn't even see anything worth fixing. While I don't think Trump WILL fix anything (in fact it'll likely be worse), Hilary's hubris was in a lot of ways worse. The democrats need to be primaried, all of them, and replaced with people who will run on an economic platform that isn't neo-liberal in nature. They need to recognize that the system is broken and it needs fixing, not more of the same. Limiting your campaign to social issues and identity politics works in the short term, but over the log term it's a death sentence. Focus on the true issues, not the social issues that only affect a few people..

You mean, they need to be different to the Republicans?


They need to be different period. Same with Republicans, they should be held to a higher standard but since many right wing voters are single issue voters, they'll never have the same kind of push to abolish money in politics and focus on the economics in the same way that you are currently seeing with progressives in the Democratic Party, such as the Justic Democrats. Money corrupts, and so far the democrats have been corrupted to be Republican Lite, and that needs to change if anything is gonna improve.

Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You say "Single issue voters" and then you name multiple issues.

While we're on the subject, how many Republicans might as well not even run unless they're pro-life? the party bosses basically kick them out.
I daresay that there are a LOT more single issue Republicans.

While I understand that there aren't that many liberals left in office in the U.S., can you name a dozen that are prolife? Don't kid yourself, leftist loonies are all single issue voters.

So none of them give a shit about the other single issues you named, and they're all obsessed with abortion?

Well there you go. Tickman first brought this up. Only he accused republicans as the culprits. A a balance, I pointed out what lefty loons do. So, being little thin skinned snowflakes all you've noticed are my balancing comments and totally overlooked what started this issue. There ya go, you have your groups defined and now you know who to hate. It's a good example of what you do.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:12:23 PM   
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Jesus Christ Nanji, did you even read what I wrote or are you wilfully blind? I said that even liberals can be one issue voters as well, but the tendency that I've seen in my experience is that cons are more often single issue. Are there multiple issue cons? Of fucking course there are. Get out of your partisan headspace and realize that nothing is so black and white. You criticized me earlier for separating people into groups of us or them so it's easier to demonize, but isn't that exactly what you're doing? If you're going to bitch flip over such a tiny issue and ignore the real point I was trying to make, then fine, go for it. Prove how little you care about the real issue and how important the little things are, how important your identity politics is.

Tell me Nanji, do you believe in holding your reps to a higher standard? Do you believe they should be taking unlimited campaign donations? Do you think they truly have your interest in mind if they're being paid millions by the medical industry? Those are the true issue Nanji, not a small comment about "single issue voting." If it's such a big deal, I'm sorry, I retract my statement. It was inappropriate for the conversation. Now what do you think about the REAL issues?

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:15:33 PM   
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Jesus Christ Nanji, did you even read what I wrote or are you wilfully blind?

No she didn't, and yes she is.
(And, to answer your OP, this is why the Democrats are no better than they are: they can't wrestle with pigs like her and stay clean.)

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:16:41 PM   
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Donald Trump lying for 13 minutes straight open your fuking eyes and mind – a man who tells the truth 4% of the time and yet is their President.

In essence that lying fukery of a bill squeezed past the house of minions by the margin known as barely, and it would not have passed the senate in that format

And here was me thinking after all this you were not stupid.

If you wish to understand atypical American jackal or Tory scumbag jackal I suggest you go to your kitchen and grab the soup ladle and scoup out 100% of your brains you will be getting a bit warmer


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:20:31 PM   
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Jesus Christ Nanji, did you even read what I wrote or are you wilfully blind?

No she didn't, and yes she is.
(And, to answer your OP, this is why the Democrats are no better than they are: they can't wrestle with pigs like her and stay clean.)


The democrats today aren't democrats, they're corporate democrats. True democrats work for the people. But I digress, liberals shouldn't wrestle with "pigs" on stupid things like this. We should be better than that and only focus on the issues that matter. Don't stoop to their level and roll around in the dirt. If they want to scream and squeal, let them. It's no skin off our backs if we just sit back and watch, but if we roll around in the mud with them we're no better than they are. And so far, many liberals aren't. We are no better than them, because we too don't focus on the issue that really matter. Trump's presidency proves that, and its time for a change, for all of us.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:30:46 PM   
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Better than this?


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 12:51:54 PM   
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Can you name a single Republican in office that is pro choice?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicans_for_Choice

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 2:40:03 PM   
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Jesus Christ Nanji, did you even read what I wrote or are you wilfully blind? I said that even liberals can be one issue voters as well, but the tendency that I've seen in my experience is that cons are more often single issue. Are there multiple issue cons? Of fucking course there are. Get out of your partisan headspace and realize that nothing is so black and white. You criticized me earlier for separating people into groups of us or them so it's easier to demonize, but isn't that exactly what you're doing? If you're going to bitch flip over such a tiny issue and ignore the real point I was trying to make, then fine, go for it. Prove how little you care about the real issue and how important the little things are, how important your identity politics is.

Tell me Nanji, do you believe in holding your reps to a higher standard? Do you believe they should be taking unlimited campaign donations? Do you think they truly have your interest in mind if they're being paid millions by the medical industry? Those are the true issue Nanji, not a small comment about "single issue voting." If it's such a big deal, I'm sorry, I retract my statement. It was inappropriate for the conversation. Now what do you think about the REAL issues?

First off you seem congenitally unable to make a valid non-partisan point so I'm not going to argue with that anymore. Second, my point was all of the lefties ignored your partisan statement and when I copied it almost verbatim they jumped on me. So, my point was made by showing all of the leftie loons, including you, are very narrow sighted.

Then, actually, you make a point you aren't even aware you've made. You say the "real" issues (as if only you and other lefties know the real issues" are money going to elected officials. Which I find hilarious since you lefties want those elected officials to have more power and control while I'm fine if they wither away and die. If you really believed money going to politicians was a problem you'd want to take power from them, as I do. But you don't, you just don't want them to take money from groups who aren't "your" group.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:24:32 PM   
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Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You missed healthcare...

PS yes the dems "should be better than this" But with the fuckup that is the bill as it stands(before the senate rips it apart) is it is fucking dangerous. It is a terrifying farce in every respect.
But the dems and the left are to just take it and "take the high road"
I can see why a lot of people wont.
Im wondering what they(repubs) are facing at home for the next week. gonna be a fun weekend.



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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:28:10 PM   
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Single issue voters...like:
Abortion
Environment
Animal rights
Multiculturalism
Pay equity/feminism
On and on, on the left wing.

You missed healthcare...

PS yes the dems "should be better than this" But with the fuckup that is the bill as it stands(before the senate rips it apart) is it is fucking dangerous. It is a terrifying farce in every respect.
But the dems and the left are to just take it and "take the high road"
I can see why a lot of people wont.
Im wondering what they(repubs) are facing at home for the next week. gonna be a fun weekend.




Well Osidegirl and others like her are happy because their premiums under Obamacare were too high.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:34:06 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.




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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:39:15 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:46:40 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.


Are You suggesting they are lacking in compassion?? or greedy?


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:48:21 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.


Are You suggesting they are lacking in compassion?? or greedy?



Yep.... yep.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:52:27 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.


Are You suggesting they are lacking in compassion?? or greedy?



Yep.... yep.




Why are you specifically attacking Oside?
did she upset you with a truth again?
Please stop using her or anyones name as a reason to be a cunt.


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 3:59:03 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.


Are You suggesting they are lacking in compassion?? or greedy?



Yep.... yep.




Why are you specifically attacking Oside?
did she upset you with a truth again?
Please stop using her or anyones name as a reason to be a cunt.



I'm not attacking her. She said it. I'm just repeating it.

Truth... lol

I don't need a reason to be a cunt. I am a cunt. And i love being a cunt.

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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 4:10:26 PM   
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Im happy for them
However the people I care about are those who cant afford their healthcare OR premiums or medication, and are sick and dying and too poor to get thru this bills consequences.
And People with pre existing conditions like crohn's, or cancer, or asthma, or anaemia, or autistic, or diabetes, let alone get pregnant, raped or have depression/bipolar.



Well people like Osidegirl don't want their premiums increased to cover the people you mentioned. I mean, they could use that money to take a vacation or buy a new car or something.


Are You suggesting they are lacking in compassion?? or greedy?



Yep.... yep.




Why are you specifically attacking Oside?
did she upset you with a truth again?
Please stop using her or anyones name as a reason to be a cunt.



I'm not attacking her. She said it. I'm just repeating it.

Truth... lol

I don't need a reason to be a cunt. I am a cunt. And i love being a cunt.


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But I stand by my request.


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 4:26:49 PM   
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She ran on:
1) it's my turn (we're taking turns now?)
2) I'm a woman (so is Jill Stein)
3) I'm not Trump (Stein and Johnson weren't either)
Nothing progressive. No vision. No plan.
Just "Better together."
It's the dumbest campaign I've ever seen run. And that includes Mondale!


No vision. No plan. Just an entitled elitist. Had she not been coddled after 2000, she may have maintained a connection with the People the Democrats are always talking about supporting. It's really bad that someone like Trump beat her.


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 4:32:48 PM   
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The democrats today aren't democrats, they're corporate democrats. True democrats [representatives] work for the people. But I digress, liberals shouldn't wrestle with "pigs" on stupid things like this. We should be better than that and only focus on the issues that matter. Don't stoop to their level and roll around in the dirt. If they want to scream and squeal, let them. It's no skin off our backs if we just sit back and watch, but if we roll around in the mud with them we're no better than they are. And so far, many liberals aren't. We are no better than them, because we too don't focus on the issue that really matter. Trump's presidency proves that, and its time for a change, for all of us.


The problem is that no one is really representing the people anymore.


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RE: The Democrats need to be better than this - 5/5/2017 4:50:49 PM   
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She ran on:
1) it's my turn (we're taking turns now?)
2) I'm a woman (so is Jill Stein)
3) I'm not Trump (Stein and Johnson weren't either)
Nothing progressive. No vision. No plan.
Just "Better together."
It's the dumbest campaign I've ever seen run. And that includes Mondale!


No vision. No plan. Just an entitled elitist. Had she not been coddled after 2000, she may have maintained a connection with the People the Democrats are always talking about supporting. It's really bad that someone like Trump beat her.



No one other than someone like Trump could have beat her. But who cares about that now.

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