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USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics


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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 6:46:43 AM   
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Oh fuck off with the coward bullshit.

All you're proving here is that sometimes young means stupid and arrogant.

I've been fighting for shit longer than you've been alive, you little shit. And part of that means looking at the reality of what you're doing, not "I'll just keep shouting and the protest fairies will make it happen."

And for that, you attack me personally?

Asshole. I hope the sickness has you vomiting all night.

FFS.


Don't get your panties in a twist when a guy half your age hits the nail in the head. You've been fighting for more than 23 years? How is that going? Look who's president for fucks sakes, seems like your "fighting" has been been real productive Old shits like you saying "be realistic, give up, corporate money is fine, we should keep going and hope things SOMEHOW get better," are absolutely senile. I'm not saying protest, I'm not saying scream, I'm saying VOTE. Primary and replace candidates who take corporate money with those who don't. Actually participate in your democracy at the local, state, AND national levels. Not just the national. I attack you because you're acting like a coward who refuses to fight for a better future because they're afraid of change, that by very definition is cowardice.


Actually he is the one who hit it square on the head. All you are doing here is proving his point.


And what point am I proving? That he'd rather accept corruption as a natural part of the American political system? Because as much of an asshole as I may seem, that's the only point I'm trying to prove. He said he fought against the war in Vietnam, and what was the result of that? A defeat. So now when there's something worth fighting for today it feels like he's already accepted defeat, that's extremely cowardly. To not even try is simply pathetic, to just throw up your arms and say "never gonna happen," is cowardly. Try. Just try, or nothing will get better. That is my point.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 6:59:48 AM   
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Because you are making up shit, based on one observation that 3/4 ratification is a high standard.

You also are confusing what I said with what other posters said. So again--full of shit.

You also ignored other posts about successful efforts to change. What are you doing? Ranting like an asshole.

It takes no courage to be a dick.

Not only have we tried, we're getting there, bit by bit, in the legislatures, where changes can actually happen. And it's no thanks to dickheads like you.

So again -- fuck off. Go learn something before you shoot off your mouth.

And if you think you're too young to have had a chance to show your stuff yet:
- I know a 12 year old (Yes, 12!) who saw homeless people and organized a $100,000+ blanket/clothing donation program.
- An 18 year old here ran for school board--and won. And not by being a dick.

More action, less mouth.

THAT'S what gets things done.




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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 7:21:35 AM   
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The composition of the legislatures needs to change. The Working Families Party is starting to be successful in replacing Democrats here and there in state legislatures, as has the Libertarian Party in replacing Republicans here and there, and the Green Party has quite a few.

Congress has a few independents. Getting a core of third party members, even a relatively small one, would mean both "major" parties would have to work with them to pass legislation.


I agree, this past election is the first time I voted exclusively third party, and I intend to continue doing so.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 8:18:51 AM   
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Because you are making up shit, based on one observation that 3/4 ratification is a high standard.

You also are confusing what I said with what other posters said. So again--full of shit.

You also ignored other posts about successful efforts to change. What are you doing? Ranting like an asshole.

It takes no courage to be a dick.

Not only have we tried, we're getting there, bit by bit, in the legislatures, where changes can actually happen. And it's no thanks to dickheads like you.

So again -- fuck off. Go learn something before you shoot off your mouth.

And if you think you're too young to have had a chance to show your stuff yet:
- I know a 12 year old (Yes, 12!) who saw homeless people and organized a $100,000+ blanket/clothing donation program.
- An 18 year old here ran for school board--and won. And not by being a dick.

More action, less mouth.

THAT'S what gets things done.





All your personal attacks aside, that fighting spirit is exactly what I was looking for music. You said earlier "nope, not gonna happen, it's practically impossible." And now here you are saying that you are fighting, which is great! Your country needs fighters now more than ever, not people who give up and accept defeat like you did on page 1. Call me an asshole, call me any name in the bloody dictionary, but if it points out that you have a passive attitude toward corruption then I'm happy to draw your ire. I don't have to fight for the same things Americans do because our system already prevents the kind of pervasive corruption inherent in US politics. But with the issues that do matter up here, of course I fight and participate, what kind of moronic assumption is that? Just because I don't have as much of an uphill battle doesn't make me any less prepared to get politically active. Hell, I'm trying to point out how destructive such a passive attitude toward corruption is and you jump down my throats about how hard change is. Well as your generation is so fond of telling mine, "life is hard," so grow some balls and stop complaining about it like a petulant child. 3/4 is possible, it will take time and effort to long state legislatures to support a convention and to primary corporate democrats, but it is possible and it is feasible. You believe it was feasible to stop the war in Vietnam, but today it's even more feasible to stop corruption, it just takes enough people and enough votes to make happen. Of course you already know this, I'm just hoping someone half your age pointing all this out will drive you into voting in primaries to get rid of corporate democrats. But that's the last I'll say on that. Keep that fighting spirit, don't give up music, you're better than that.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 8:20:13 AM   
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Well fucking said DS, I couldn't agree more with everything you said.


Uh oh. Is that an omen that the Apocalypse is near?

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Here in Canada we not only have limits on how much campaigns can raise and what benefits politicians receive, but we also limit the length of campaign periods to a fraction of American campaigns. Makes it so they focus more on actual governing than raising money. I'd love to see less of an obsession with money in the US, not only because it will benefit the American people but because it could positively affect many people across the world.


I've long said that the biggest issue in the US is that we are a consumer nation. Consumption is king. To be able to consume, you need money. Now, I'm not even close to being the poster child for personal fiscal responsibility, but I do recognize that it's a problem in America. Few people here understand the word, 'enough.' Almost everyone wants more, more, more.

How do you fix that, though? I really think the only way to fix it, is for the entire system to crash. There needs to be a complete reset, and reordering. The thing I fear most about that (and it's not the individual suffering - I'll be fucked almost as much as anyone else) is that Big Gov will come in and "save" us, and nothing will change. Just means that we'll have to have another crash for another chance to right the system. I simply don't see how we can change societal mores away from "mo' money, mo' money, mo' money."

On a side note: I truly believe this is why health care in America is so fucking expensive. Everyone wants more. People want to consume, consume, consume, and then will go in and 'take a pill' to fix things. The proponents of universal care schemes (not used in a derogatory connotation) point towards preventive care being more of a focus. There is absolutely no reason why it can't be a focus anywhere, regardless of how health care is set up. We in the US aren't doing it now. We're not likely to do it if we change systems, unless we have to. You think the opposition to universal care is loud now, just wait for the uproar when Big Gov starts to actually infringe on one's freedom to choose how one wants to live one's life.

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What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 9:56:43 AM   
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Because you are making up shit, based on one observation that 3/4 ratification is a high standard.

You also are confusing what I said with what other posters said. So again--full of shit.

You also ignored other posts about successful efforts to change. What are you doing? Ranting like an asshole.

It takes no courage to be a dick.

Not only have we tried, we're getting there, bit by bit, in the legislatures, where changes can actually happen. And it's no thanks to dickheads like you.

So again -- fuck off. Go learn something before you shoot off your mouth.

And if you think you're too young to have had a chance to show your stuff yet:
- I know a 12 year old (Yes, 12!) who saw homeless people and organized a $100,000+ blanket/clothing donation program.
- An 18 year old here ran for school board--and won. And not by being a dick.

More action, less mouth.

THAT'S what gets things done.





All your personal attacks aside, that fighting spirit is exactly what I was looking for music. You said earlier "nope, not gonna happen, it's practically impossible." And now here you are saying that you are fighting, which is great! Your country needs fighters now more than ever, not people who give up and accept defeat like you did on page 1. Call me an asshole, call me any name in the bloody dictionary, but if it points out that you have a passive attitude toward corruption then I'm happy to draw your ire. I don't have to fight for the same things Americans do because our system already prevents the kind of pervasive corruption inherent in US politics. But with the issues that do matter up here, of course I fight and participate, what kind of moronic assumption is that? Just because I don't have as much of an uphill battle doesn't make me any less prepared to get politically active. Hell, I'm trying to point out how destructive such a passive attitude toward corruption is and you jump down my throats about how hard change is. Well as your generation is so fond of telling mine, "life is hard," so grow some balls and stop complaining about it like a petulant child. 3/4 is possible, it will take time and effort to long state legislatures to support a convention and to primary corporate democrats, but it is possible and it is feasible. You believe it was feasible to stop the war in Vietnam, but today it's even more feasible to stop corruption, it just takes enough people and enough votes to make happen. Of course you already know this, I'm just hoping someone half your age pointing all this out will drive you into voting in primaries to get rid of corporate democrats. But that's the last I'll say on that. Keep that fighting spirit, don't give up music, you're better than that.

Fuck off asshole.

I don't give a damn whether you're 23 or 83. You brought in the generation bullshit.

This isn't about age -- it's about being a dick vs. getting things done.

When YOU get someone elected, we'll talk.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 11:03:55 AM   
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Because you are making up shit, based on one observation that 3/4 ratification is a high standard.

You also are confusing what I said with what other posters said. So again--full of shit.

You also ignored other posts about successful efforts to change. What are you doing? Ranting like an asshole.

It takes no courage to be a dick.

Not only have we tried, we're getting there, bit by bit, in the legislatures, where changes can actually happen. And it's no thanks to dickheads like you.

So again -- fuck off. Go learn something before you shoot off your mouth.

And if you think you're too young to have had a chance to show your stuff yet:
- I know a 12 year old (Yes, 12!) who saw homeless people and organized a $100,000+ blanket/clothing donation program.
- An 18 year old here ran for school board--and won. And not by being a dick.

More action, less mouth.

THAT'S what gets things done.





All your personal attacks aside, that fighting spirit is exactly what I was looking for music. You said earlier "nope, not gonna happen, it's practically impossible." And now here you are saying that you are fighting, which is great! Your country needs fighters now more than ever, not people who give up and accept defeat like you did on page 1. Call me an asshole, call me any name in the bloody dictionary, but if it points out that you have a passive attitude toward corruption then I'm happy to draw your ire. I don't have to fight for the same things Americans do because our system already prevents the kind of pervasive corruption inherent in US politics. But with the issues that do matter up here, of course I fight and participate, what kind of moronic assumption is that? Just because I don't have as much of an uphill battle doesn't make me any less prepared to get politically active. Hell, I'm trying to point out how destructive such a passive attitude toward corruption is and you jump down my throats about how hard change is. Well as your generation is so fond of telling mine, "life is hard," so grow some balls and stop complaining about it like a petulant child. 3/4 is possible, it will take time and effort to long state legislatures to support a convention and to primary corporate democrats, but it is possible and it is feasible. You believe it was feasible to stop the war in Vietnam, but today it's even more feasible to stop corruption, it just takes enough people and enough votes to make happen. Of course you already know this, I'm just hoping someone half your age pointing all this out will drive you into voting in primaries to get rid of corporate democrats. But that's the last I'll say on that. Keep that fighting spirit, don't give up music, you're better than that.

Fuck off asshole.

I don't give a damn whether you're 23 or 83. You brought in the generation bullshit.

This isn't about age -- it's about being a dick vs. getting things done.

When YOU get someone elected, we'll talk.


Lol, I did. I did my part and elected a progressive, not an orange troll doll. A corrupt political system, a moron for a president, frequent school shootings, and countless of other issues. Yeah, you really know how to get things done

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 11:57:05 AM   
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More making up nonsense. And you're trying to convince people of your maturity?

My state is overrun by progressives. Sorry kid. What'd you do? Cast a vote. Very involved.

How's Canada doing on the tar sands mess, btw, Kid Progressive?

FFS. YOU came out swing at a simple observation, and now you're desperate to "win."

And all you can do is make up things that aren't true. Very effective strategy for getting things done.



Your mom's calling. Go.



Go fight with people who AREN'T working for positive change.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 12:17:52 PM   
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More making up nonsense. And you're trying to convince people of your maturity?

My state is overrun by progressives. Sorry kid. What'd you do? Cast a vote. Very involved.

How's Canada doing on the tar sands mess, btw, Kid Progressive?

FFS. YOU came out swing at a simple observation, and now you're desperate to "win."

And all you can do is make up things that aren't true. Very effective strategy for getting things done.



Your mom's calling. Go.



Go fight with people who AREN'T working for positive change.


So you deflect to the tar sands when you don't have a leg to stand on, very mature, and you call me the kid lol. If your state was run by progressives, how come none of your reps are talking about money in politics? How come none have put forth an alternative healthcare bill for universal care? I'm assuming your rep isn't burnie in that case, since he's literally the only one who has talked about these things. Did you support burnie or Hillary in the primary? Because one stood for the people and refused corporate donations, while the other was the definition of a corrupt politician. I don't care about winning this argument, I don't care about winning the battle, I care about winning the war. What am I doing with the tar sands? I got an education in environmental science so that I could enter the industry and actually work on changing things for the better. I'm literally dedicating my life to fighting shit like that. What are you doing aside from voting for corporate democrats who only care about their donors? If you don't vote that way, then just SAY SO, state that you refuse to vote for dems who take corporate money. State that you actually have principled stances against corruption. I state that I'm going to work my ass off to either get rid of or fix the tar sands and improve the environmental conditions of my country. If I'm willing to spit in the face of what you call futility, then an old man like yourself should be more than willing to do the same.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 12:34:48 PM   
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tar sands = bad,fracking too. Why are we talking about tar sands anway.

Heh who got trounced three times, including the supreme court, in Scotland, with thow shall not put a wind farm up near my golf course

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 12:38:15 PM   
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tar sands = bad,fracking too. Why are we talking about tar sands anway.

Heh who got trounced three times, including the supreme court, in Scotland, with thow shall not put a wind farm up near my golf course


Couldn't agree more about the tar sands and fracking, and the only reason we're on this topic is that Music is peeved that a guy half his age has a point about his own country.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 1:52:32 PM   
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OK Teddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Feel better? Have a cookie.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 2:07:07 PM   
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OK Teddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Feel better? Have a cookie.


Lol, I'd feel better knowing that a fellow "liberal" south of the border had a desire to actually act like one. It's funny that you criticize cons for ad hominem attacks when you're more than willing to do it yourself. Pathetic man, it's a good thing there's a new generation of liberal "snowflakes" who are willing to do what you're too pessimistic to do. "Never gonna happen," yeah, saying shit like that speaks more of cowardice than anything I've read anyone else post.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/6/2017 3:41:16 PM   
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Says the kid who responded to a simple fact with a barrage of personal attacks.

Save the playground nonsense for people your own age. I outgrew recess taunts decades ago.

You know nothing about me, yet you find you have to make yourself feel big.

Youthful insecurities, youthful arrogance, youthful ignorance, youthful stubbornness.

You have many difficult lessons ahead.

And I'm sorry you find reality so challenging. But getting things done means working with it.

While you ridicule people who point this out, we are changing the composition of the very legislatures who will need to ratify.

Grow up kid. Act like an adult if you want to pretend to be one.


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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/7/2017 3:11:28 AM   
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The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.



America was a business venture of the king and everything in america reflects those ends and still is. Its just done differently, hell the queen in 1997 modified american social security


I thought I'd dig up a citation and run across this, much of which is correct some of which not so much but I am not going to take the time to pull out whats not, suffice to say the queen has her mits directly in american business.




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Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows:

S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security ( United States of America)
Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At
the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her
Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security
Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf,
is please, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is
hereby ordered as follows:

"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America)
Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."

Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice
stating in court that he takes his orders from England? This order goes on to
redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United
States Law.

Remember, King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the
Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of
Peace (1738) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large. Great Britain which is the agent for
the Pope, is in charge of the USA 'plantation.'

What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers
and King George were working hand-n-hand to bring the people of America to
there knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a
debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED
STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See
Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)

Now, you also have to realize that King George was not just the King
of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. 8 Statutes
at Large 80.

On January 22, 1783 Congress ratified a contract for the
repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already received dating from
February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. Now the UNITED STATES Inc. owes the King
money which is due January 1, 1788 from King George via France. Is this not
incredible the King funded both sides of the War. But there was more work
that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation which was declared
in force March 1, 1781 States in Article 12 " All bills of credit emitted,
monies borrowed,and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress,
before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present
confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United
States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the
public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

Now after losing the Revolutionary War, even though the War was
nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King, they
were not done yet.

Now the loans were coming due and so a meeting was convened in
Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under
the Articles of Confederation. Only five States come to the meeting, but
there is a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the
following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of
Confederation

On February 21, 1787 Congress gave approval of the meeting to take
place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of
confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt. Little did
the people know that the so called founding fathers were acutely going to
reorganize the United States because it was Bankrupt.

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approve the Constitution.
The States have now become Constitutors. Constitutor: In the civil law, one
who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's
debt. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. The States were now liable for the debt
owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a
party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote On
August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled.-An Act making provision
for the payment of the Debt of the United States. This can be found at 1 U.S.
Statutes at Large pages 138-178. This Act for all intents and purposes
abolished the States and Created the Districts. If you don't believe it look
it up. The Act set up Federal Districts, here in Pennsylvania we got two. In
this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. The next step was
for the states to reorganize their governments which most did in 1790. This
had to be done because the States needed to legally bind the people to the
debt. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for
a vote. So the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to
people for a vote thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great
Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso
facto a citizen of the United States. A citizen is a member of a fictional
entity and it is synonymous with subject.

What you think is a state is in reality a corporation, in other
words, a Person.

"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272
"Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.

There are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this
planet is a corporation. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at
law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak
to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

Now before we go any further let us examine a few things in the Constitution.

Article six section one keeps the loans from the King valid it
states; All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the
Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States
under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article One Section
Eight clause Two which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on
the credit of the United States. This was needed so the United States (Which
went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could borrow money and then because
the States were a party to the Constitution they would also be liable for it.

The next underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank
in 1791. This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares issued of
which 18,000 were held by those in England. The Bank loaned the United States
money in exchange for Securities of the United States

Now the creditors of the United States which included the King
wanted paid the Interest on the loans that were given to the United States.
So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing alcohol. The
people resisted so George Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax
which they did. This has become known as the Whiskey rebellion. It is the
Militia's duty to collect taxes. How did the United States collect taxes off
of the people if the people are not a party to the Constitution? I'll tell
you how. The people are slaves! The United States belongs to the floundering
fathers and their posterity and Great Britain. America is nothing more than a
Plantation. It always has been. How many times have you seen someone in court
attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is
because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES!!!!!!! If you don't believe
read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah.
14 Georgia 438, 520 which states " But, indeed, no private person has a right
to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the
Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is
not a party to it."

Now back to the Militia. Just read Article One Section Eight clause
(15) which states that it is the militia's job to execute the laws of the
Union. Now read Clause (16) Which states that Congress has the power to
provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for
governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United
States.... the Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is their to
collect our substance.

As you can plainly see all the Constitution did is set up a Military
Government to guard the King's commerce and make us slaves.

If one goes to 8 U.S. statutes at large 116-132 you will find "The Treaty
of Amity, Commerce and Navigation. This Treaty was signed on November 19th,
1794 which was twelve years after the War. Article 2 of the Treaty states
that the King's Troops were still occupying the United States. Being the nice
King that he was , he decided that the troops would return to England by June
1st, 1796. The troops were still on American soil because, quite frankly the
King wanted them here.







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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/7/2017 3:32:17 AM   
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Think about it for a second; We have a gubmint that set up gubmint courts to judge the contract [constitution] that was made by the gubmint.

Yeh, hell they have 2 different names! one is called court and the other congress and they both collect their checks from the same gumnint. No conflict in interest their!

Oh and better yet they called their corporations, yep you got it 'The People"! I guess we are all supposed to ASSume that means you and I? Well it does not.


The only way you can get a decent gubmint is to get all corporate money and any power any gain out of the equation. Every candidate that tossed their name on the ticket should remain on the ticket through to the election. Election ballots should be paper, mechanical and have a receipt to take home for a recount. Trial by 'fully empowered jury of 12' all jurys to be fully empowered jurys, for so much/little as a parking ticket. Free legal services for any 'citizens' who dispute challenge 'any' statute. Abolish summary judgment and presumption in favor of the state, it denies us a trial by jury and defaults to trial by judge and screws us out of judgement by fully empowered jury.

I will stop there because with very little thought you can see they have fucked you coming and they fuck you going. Its not only money the whole system has been designed to all them to be criminals while you town the line to insure they can continue to be criminals and out of your reach as they grant themselves immunity murder and throw you and the key away for having sex in the park.

People today are so indoctrionated unthinking idjits nothing that would actually achieve what they would like will ever come into play because they are too fucking clueless to understand what is needed to achieve it.


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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/7/2017 10:36:43 AM   
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Dude, I couldn't understand any of what you said. Would it be possible to boil it down to a few key points? Or highlight the truly important parts? Literally hard to read a wall of text and get what your point is.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/7/2017 2:26:24 PM   
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sorry, I suppose not being from this country and not having a legal background though the process is virtually the same it would be hard to connect with what I said. Unfortunately its difficult to reduce much further without completely losing continuity. government systems are highly complex and today even more so because they literally bullshit you into paying them money for more bullshit. If you want single word, try extortion, rico, collusion, conflict of interest, unjust enrichment, negligence and I can think of a nice long list more but if you want it reduced to single words there you have it.


what I posted in post 56 will never see the light of day, because it would fix the system, which is contrary to their interests because it puts less money in the pockets of the just-US club and more in everyone elses. They are too big to fail because they write new law as they go covering their asses until they have securely moved to a new square. Only little people have to follow the laws corps can do no wrong.



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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/12/2017 2:45:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

The OPs suggestions seem more productive than mine. A while back I posted:

...At this point, it appears the only way to make a peaceful world possible iz to tar and feather every last politician and rip up existing legislation and make government pay equitable to minimum wage and lobbying punishable. ...(sic)



You might just be on to something there.

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RE: USA - Amendment Against Corporate Money in Politics - 5/12/2017 2:47:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh fuck off with the coward bullshit.

All you're proving here is that sometimes young means stupid and arrogant.

I've been fighting for shit longer than you've been alive, you little shit. And part of that means looking at the reality of what you're doing, not "I'll just keep shouting and the protest fairies will make it happen."

And for that, you attack me personally?

Asshole. I hope the sickness has you vomiting all night.

FFS.


Don't get your panties in a twist when a guy half your age hits the nail in the head. You've been fighting for more than 23 years? How is that going? Look who's president for fucks sakes, seems like your "fighting" has been been real productive Old shits like you saying "be realistic, give up, corporate money is fine, we should keep going and hope things SOMEHOW get better," are absolutely senile. I'm not saying protest, I'm not saying scream, I'm saying VOTE. Primary and replace candidates who take corporate money with those who don't. Actually participate in your democracy at the local, state, AND national levels. Not just the national. I attack you because you're acting like a coward who refuses to fight for a better future because they're afraid of change, that by very definition is cowardice.


Actually he is the one who hit it square on the head. All you are doing here is proving his point.


And what point am I proving?


that sometimes young means stupid and arrogant.


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