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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Heh dumbfuks
1. CaptR thicker than shit itelf cant read its own words
2. Termyn8or - a wretch of a heaving bucket of rancid jobbie
3. Milesnmiles - so dense that light bends around it
4. Oh hi real0ne - you want in on this one too- and stop posting shit links –or have the fuking coherence to devide that one by 4 and cite America and penal colony land
you’ve done enough of that on your Adolf Hitler, pacifist, jew lover and killed no jews - I believe you said, and 500 000 at Dresden were atomized by Zionist UK bombs made from Jew gold

mwaaah wicked

Bunch of fuking fannies

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Heh dumbfuks
1. CaptR thicker than shit itelf cant read its own words
2. Termyn8or - a wretch of a heaving bucket of rancid jobbie
3. Milesnmiles - so dense that light bends around it
4. Oh hi real0ne - you want in on this one too- and stop posting shit links –or have the fuking coherence to devide that one by 4 and cite America and penal colony land
you’ve done enough of that on your Adolf Hitler, pacifist, jew lover and killed no jews - I believe you said, and 500 000 at Dresden were atomized by Zionist UK bombs made from Jew gold

mwaaah wicked

Bunch of fuking fannies

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Are you bereft of even a singular wit halfwit and the modus opernadi?

mwaaah wicked

Bunch of fuking fannies

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Heh dumbfuks
1. CaptR thicker than shit itelf cant read its own words
2. Termyn8or - a wretch of a heaving bucket of rancid jobbie
3. Milesnmiles - so dense that light bends around it
4. Oh hi real0ne - you want in on this one too- and stop posting shit links –or have the fuking coherence to devide that one by 4 and cite America and penal colony land
you’ve done enough of that on your Adolf Hitler, pacifist, jew lover and killed no jews - I believe you said, and 500 000 at Dresden were atomized by Zionist UK bombs made from Jew gold
mwaaah wicked
Bunch of fuking fannies

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
Are you bereft of even a singular wit halfwit and the modus opernadi?
mwaaah wicked
Bunch of fuking fannies

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Heh dumbfuks
1. CaptR thicker than shit itelf cant read its own words
2. Termyn8or - a wretch of a heaving bucket of rancid jobbie
3. Milesnmiles - so dense that light bends around it
4. Oh hi real0ne - you want in on this one too- and stop posting shit links –or have the fuking coherence to devide that one by 4 and cite America and penal colony land
you’ve done enough of that on your Adolf Hitler, pacifist, jew lover and killed no jews - I believe you said, and 500 000 at Dresden were atomized by Zionist UK bombs made from Jew gold

mwaaah wicked

Bunch of fuking fannies

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And to have a prez that's a known bankrupt, no less than 4 times, running the country??

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
The problem isn't here. It's your mind numbed little control freak needing to bury your head because the big bad world is bad and scary.

The big bad world is only scary in the US.

Everywhere else where they have guns (yes, we do have them, just like you), is relatively peaceful.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Why is it they NEVER have anything like the crime rates "around the corner" though you keep repeating your claim you never even attempt toexplain that little problem with your idea.

If you live in a crime area and the criminals can't get their 'tools', they just go get the tools where they can.
The crime area doesn't move because the tools are easier to get elsewhere.
They get their tools and go back to where their crime is more effective/productive.

Simple explanation that you obviously never thought of.
And it's human nature too.

People will always go to the place where they can do 'business' and make money the easiest.
If they have to grab tools from elsewhere to do that, that's what they do.
They don't setup shop where the tools are easiest to obtain, they go where the business is the best.

Simples!

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

You can twist it to be racist if you like - I didn't bring race or colour into it; you have.

If DC has a bad rep because it has loads of gangs and drugs etc, then any ban will have little or no effect.
Your police won't do their job and 'law abiding citizens' run and hide and won't help either.
I have no idea if DC has more blacks than VA so don't try to play the race card with me.
If VA is just a better place to be, so be it.
If you want to believe it is the blacks that make DC a bad area - that makes YOU the racist, not me.

And obviously, those that already had firearms, used them like they always did do.
If new criminals wanted to get in on the act but couldn't get a firearm, they used something else instead.

Just like jihadists have worked out that getting hold of guns over here is getting harder for them.
It's not so easy to go on a shooting spree like they have done in the past 2-3 years.
So what do they do??
They change tactics and use trucks to run people down or use knives to attack people.
So the gun stats don't rise but knife crime does. How surprising!! DUH!

It really isn't so hard to work these things out Bama.
But people like you want to bury your heads and because the gun stats stay the same, the measures didn't work.
You are worse than a one-trick pony with no idea of alternatives.
People outside of the US seem to be more versatile and adaptable than US citizens who appear to be rather dense in some areas and can't think out of the box.
Shit, you guys can't even make tea!

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I really dont want to keep coming into the gun thread posts all the times with actual facts and figures but I will if i feel that I have too.

Crime is higher in America no matter which way you break it down, rape etc than comparable nations - another invalid arguments.

Jeff what has gun deaths got to do with automobile accidents or death by bee sting (625 per anum in America if anyone every wondered) - invalid.

what fuking idiots are citing 500 000-3 000 000 make yourself known now, as I had a bit of a read at this one earlier and forgot who said that.

Guns kill, and the more easily accessible they are the higer the carnage rate is

Still, I always wanted to know
1. What is a responsible gun owner
2. When does that responsible gun owner become irresponsible


http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ do the fuking maths for yourself

Oh and the NRA chipped in with $30 million to trumps campaign hence that speech he gave last week to 10 000 gun nuts ( i actually had no real issue with his speech - he in essence said nothing) Not that I am quite sure how you can make guns more prolific

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I really dont want to keep coming into the gun thread posts all the times with actual facts and figures but I will if i feel that I have too.

Crime is higher in America no matter which way you break it down, rape etc than comparable nations - another invalid arguments.

Jeff what has gun deaths got to do with automobile accidents or death by bee sting (625 per anum in America if anyone every wondered) - invalid.

what fuking idiots are citing 500 000-3 000 000 make yourself known now, as I had a bit of a read at this one earlier and forgot who said that.

Guns kill, and the more easily accessible they are the higer the carnage rate is

Still, I always wanted to know
1. What is a responsible gun owner
2. When does that responsible gun owner become irresponsible


http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ do the fuking maths for yourself

Oh and the NRA chipped in with $30 million to trumps campaign hence that speech he gave last week to 10 000 gun nuts ( i actually had no real issue with his speech - he in essence said nothing) Not that I am quite sure how you can make guns more prolific

Wicked, it is actually quite simple.

The stats quoted by most deals with gun related CRIMES, and then they group all gun deaths as a criminal act.

Which is what this topic is about, you know if you had read the title of the thread you might have realized that.

As for the comparison of auto related deaths to gun related deaths, my point was the over all way the statistics are used.

You people group all gun related deaths into one large category, whether the topic is a mass shooting or a single gun related murder and include accidental deaths and suicides.

As I said, it would be like taking the total number of automotive related deaths as a lump value when you are complaining about drunk driving related deaths.

There are a few points none of you anti gun shit for brains idiots do not or will not take into consideration.

YOU CANNOT REGULATE STUPID.

So, if you want to take the right to own guns away from everyone due to criminal intent, stupidity etc, then the same logic would apply to removing the right to a drivers license because of drunk drivers and people are just plain too fucking stupid to know better.

It is also comparable to the prohibition of alcohol. One of the primary arguments was the fact that drunkeness and alcohol abuse was 'rampant' in the United States, so they decided that no one could drink.

If you break down gun deaths to criminal related, as I said, the US falls to 18th in the western hemisphere and 22nd world wide, taking all first, second and third world countries into consideration and not counting those people killed in overt civil wars.

The simple truth is that the US leads the world in gun deaths only when you compare it to the other 15 developed economic countries.

Again the statistics are skewed simply because the comparison is against many countries which have either zero private gun ownership or extremely limited gun ownership.

When you look at gun related crime, again the majority of homicides committed with guns involve criminal organizations or those who are career criminals involved in drug trafficking or other organized crime, many of whom can not legally own a gun in a first place.

Which then makes a comparison to the drug cartels of Latin America, who are also under the same restrictions and more often than not are in countries where buying a fucking gun is a hell of a lot harder than in the US. Take Mexico for instance, there is only one store in the entire country that can sell guns.

However the drug cartels in Mexico, Columbia and other countries where cocaine and other raw narcotics originate have more firepower than the national military of those countries (thus eliminating the argument that the guns came from the US.)

Then there is the famous argument that the only reason to own a gun is to kill someone, which is a flawed argument, and given the opportunity, I would love to drop you, or freedom dwarf or any one of you anti gun Europeans in parts of Taylor county Texas (a part of the state that is relatively heavily populated, though rural in nature) and give each of you the choice of a six mile hike with a hunting knife or a large bore rifle and pistol.

My argument is simple, you may be within a quarter mile of your house, but you run across a feral hog, that pig is going to rip you apart before you get to your house (or car) and that knife is going to be fucking useless.

Or how about you go into my barn in the afternoon to grab some hay to feed the cattle?

Let you in on a secret, rattlesnakes like to get into stacks of hay bales looking for rats. Now, if you think you can stand five feet away and kill a six foot diamond back with a knife, be my guest.

Personally, I prefer a .45 or a rifle.

Or maybe the incident a couple of weeks ago.

I have a five year old great nephew living at my house, and one warm afternoon, I noticed the dogs barking at something in the fenced in back yard, where my nephew likes to play.

Turns out they were barking at a nice 7 foot diamond back rattle snake, which I dispatched with one of the guns I owned.

FYI, short of a rock wall (and that is not a sure thing) there are no snake proof fences.

And unlike some idiots, I am not going to try poking a fucking rattle snake with a stick and hope the thing decides to leave the yard.

Finally, there is the simple fact that in my part of the county, law enforcement response time is an average of 20 minutes (fire response time is about 10 same as with EMT's for that matter) so firearms for personal home protection is a valid argument.

And lets go a bit further.

There are 357 million legally owned private firearms in the US.

And you will find at least one gun in 54% of all US households.

So to answer your own stupid fucking questions:

1. What is a responsible gun owner?

How about the fact that 9.390756302521008x10^-5 percent (0.000009390756302521008%) of all legally owned guns are used in the commission of a crime or involved in the gun related death of a human being?

Or every person killed by a gun in the US was shot with 10200 guns at the same fucking time, which is clearly not the case.

Or the fact that there are over 100 million gun owners in the US and there are less than 35000 gun related deaths a year, which means that less than one percent of legal gun owners are involved in a gun related death....

Or how about the real fucking kicker you ignorant ass, of the approximately 15000 gun related deaths due to a criminal act, less than 3% of those involved a person using their legally purchased gun to commit them, which means the rest of the gun related crimes were committed by individuals who got the guns illegally.

2. When does that responsible gun owner become irresponsible?

When he decides that common sense is less important than looking cool for his friends, or the phrase "hold my beer" pops up, or the moron is too fucking stupid to properly store the weapon and some 3 year old grabs it and shoots a family member with it.

Now when you consider 9.390756302521008x10^-5 percent (0.000009390756302521008%) of all legally owned guns are used in the commission of a crime or involved in the gun related death of a human being, it breaks down to about the same percentage of Americans who really need those wonderful warning labels that tell you not to use a blow dryer in the shower, or not to stop a chain saw blade with hands or genitals, or are too fucking stupid to realize that cup of coffee you just bought at McDonalds is actually HOT and should not be placed between one's legs while driving.

Or about the same percentage of Americans that go out and buy a car that can do near 200 mph and actually try to achieve that speed on the open highway.

Or another example:

My neighbor, who on the 5th of February last year decided that it was much more cost effective to purchase 5 pounds of black powder type gun powder and six feet of cannon fuse, pack it into a coffee can, place it under an old mesquite tree, light the fuse in order to remove the tree from where he wanted to put a new drive way.

When the powder exploded, the tree remained, however all $12987 worth of glass on the front side of his wonderful new home was shattered by the shock wave (homeowners insurance denied the claim due to owner stupidity,) he was arrested and charged with constructing an explosive device (negotiated to a misdemeanor, fined $1000 and sentenced to 50 hours community service) billed for fire and law enforcement emergency response for basically being a moron.

He could have rented a bulldozer to remove the tree for $450 bucks which would have removed the tree and cut the new drive way.

He could have hired a service to do all the work for $2500 and had it done in a day (without damage to his windows)

In other words, the irresponsible gun owner is the same person that does so many stupid things on a day to day basis you ask yourself how the shit for brains idiot managed to survive childhood.

You folks are fast to throw numbers around about gun deaths, etc. but when the numbers are really looked at, the percentage of the guns in the US used in crimes or involved in a firearm related accident falls to less than 1/10 of a percentage point.

So, to recap:

My comparison of gun related deaths to automobile related deaths has to do with over all numbers, and the way that all gun related deaths are grouped into one lump total by you people without regard to the TOTAL number of guns in the United States Legally owned that have not been involved in a gun related death or crime.

Also, people do not buy guns to kill other people.

A percentage of gun owners are collectors, and the guns they own probably have been fired a total of ten times, then put in a display case and left to gather dust (kind of like the guy that buys a new corvette every time the body design is changed, drives them for about 5000 miles then parks them in a large garage, again to gather dust)

Then there are the gun owners like me. I hunt, do feral hog eradication for extra money, deal with various critters who show up around the house that could cause bodily harm to my nephew (this year seems to have a bumper crop in rattlesnakes) and for home protection (once in the last five years.)

Then there is that extremely small minority of Americans that have been raised on hate, racism etc who buy guns for the single intent to harm another human being.

Out of that group you get guys like Eric Rudolf and Timothy McVeigh who owned guns but decided to make bombs instead.

So, contrary to your fucking ignorant and unceasingly constant argument that all gun owning Americans are trying to kill each other, the facts are that you are as full of shit as a Christmas goose, and the all too cliche Brit who seems to be intent on pushing your legal and philosophical system on every other country on the planet, including the ones that kicked you bastards out over 200 years ago.

As for the anti gun liberal Americans, scream all you want, the simple fact is the percentage of legally owned guns in the US account for less than one percent of all firearm related deaths in the US.

So, find a legitimate argument and we will listen, until then, go fuck yourselves, the horses you rode in on, or if the fact that the majority of Americans like the idea of owning guns, move to to the fucking UK or Australia.

Hell, if that were to happen, maybe we could actually get the systems that would keep guns out of the hands of people who legally should not be able to buy the damn things mandatory for all state and local law and medical agencies.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

The people who have this phobia about guns pretty much do not know about perspective. They think that everyone who has more than two beers and drives a car will get in a wreck, just like everyone who has a gun is going to shoot someone. They also think all cigarette smokers will get lung cancer. Everyine who eats bacon will get fat because bacon is mostly fat. Well I got news for you, fat you eat does not necessarily turn into fat in your body. It is more the carbs they shove down your throat every day.

And my Mother is 76 and smokes and has no lung problems. My ex boss died of lung cancer and never smoked anything in his life. I only worked part time but I did smoke there, but he was usually not in close proximity to me. I was at the bench and he was out front in the showroom either taking care of customers or on the phone. Some asshole will say that my second hand smoke traveled that 30 feet and killed him. They also have claimed that second hand smoke is worse than forst hand smoke. What could be stupider than that ?

Well actually I know, giving up a useful form of self defense.

People in other countries have had a generation or so of brainwashing. I hope they learn the easy way. The hard way is to have a martial arts expert who is a criminal and needs to be killed to rape their Wife and kids and there is nothing they can do about it. The easy way is simple common sense. It is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. It just doesn't get much simpler than that.

They can preach and moan about our thirty something thousand deaths a year, but if they were here they would find people that they think need to be killed. And suicides ? I simply do not care. If someone wants to take their own head off fine, just try not to hurt anyone else doing it. As far as accidents go I have already addressed that. Teach gun safety in the schools. In the lower grades just teach them hands off, later get into the different styles of weapons and show them how to unload them, including the chamber, because we know some assholes have pulled the magazine and forgot about the one in the chamber.

They should also teach them how to drive a car. I don't know about where everyone else is, but here there are a plethora of people on the road who simply do not know how to drive. And that includes courtesy as well. One guy told me a truck ran him off into the burm. I asked how long was he next to the truck and he said for miles. It is simple logic, DO NOT drive next to a truck. And the truck probably had the blinker on to boot. But this guy was an idiot bigtime, used to jam with him. Not sure if he ever had a job that required brains. And my buddy was a truck driver and in Chicago some asshole tried to slip on by as he made the usual wide turn, he had to go to court, but he was absolved of all guilt. Ask the driver of that (half crushed) shitcan how the fuck a truck is supposed to make a right turn.

Stupid people think they are smarter than everyone else, and that is the problem. That is enough to make me doubt democracy. Who was it Churchill who said "The best case against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter" ?

But they don't have good spatial reasoning, can't parallel park because of that, have bigtime trouble backing up. Damn, I only have one good eye for distance and I would still be the best choice to back up a truck. Well last time I ran into a brick pillar by going seriously one inch too far, but I paid to have it fixed. Help people move and I paid. But what I did was to back the truck up so that the ramp could go right on the front porch. Most people can't even think of doing that. They'll park the truck in the drive or street and dolly everything down the ramp and up the front steps. Well Termy doesn't do shit the dumb way. But it did wind up costing me about a grand, but I also had the whole staircase tuckpointed twice. So I have no license, total shit eyesight and I am the best choice to back the truck up. And if there is a trailer nobody in the family can do it. I can.

Just like with a gun, I got one good eye for distance, but that means I have to shoot right handed which I don't really like. But I see it would be easy to kill someone across the street. Some assholes can't even hit someone in the same room. Of course circumstances vary, that is why you shoot first. An assailant in your house might figure out a way around that gun, take that gun, shoot you and then use in another crime.

So make it the last thing they see. Don't fuck around.

there are too many criminals in this country for law abiding Citizens to give up their guns. Other countries may be different, via social programs and whatever, and government that isn't such a motherfucker, they probably breed less criminals. Their people are happier and healthier. They get mental health counseling, and I bet they don't just prescribe the latest drug out fro the copany that bought the shrink a new set of golf clubs, like here.

Almost ever mass shooter in this country was on some sort of psychotropic or anti-depressant. Know what that tells me ? That shrinks are not doing their job, they just reach for the scrip pad. Used to be you could get real help, counseling and so forth, work out your problems. Now they just cover it up with drugs. And I am exposed to some TV, look at the drug ads. Among the side effect is listed "suicidal thoughts", and this is even true of a smoking cessation aid which they are still selling.

Do they do that in other countries ? Make the populace guinea pigs for their new drugs that are so expensive because they SAY there are years of testing, but the goddamn thing was invented last month. Or are the so expensive because of all the lawsuits, many of which would not have happened if they actually DID test these poisons and not ever market them.

We have to deal with all these assholes, the ones who have no connection to society and are willing to go out like Bonnie and Clyde, and the ones who really have issues that are never dealt with. And these foreigners think we have to do this unarmed ?

They can go fuck themselves.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


and look whos talking, the total fucking failure who wont even come back to this thread because he knows gun bans are a total fucking failure, yet he runs around in every thread preaching and spewing his shit about guns.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


Face it, we are and always have been a violent nation, we kicked your asses back to England some 200 years ago with our Guns, just to start this nation and if it wasn’t for us and our Guns putting you on our backs and carrying you through two world worlds, you would be speaking German right now, as poorly as you speak English. So, you should be happy we are a violent nation that owns Guns.

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I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars.

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Face it, we are and always have been a violent nation, we kicked your asses back to England some 200 years ago with our Guns, just to start this nation and if it wasn’t for us and our Guns putting you on our backs and carrying you through two world worlds, you would be speaking German right now, as poorly as you speak English. So, you should be happy we are a violent nation that owns Guns.

I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars. Perhaps you could back that up with facts please.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars.

Not the entire US. Just John Wayne (and occasionally Audie Murphy, when JW needed a weekend off).

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Alvin Cullum York and Audie Murphy, Yes. John Wayne, not so much.
;-)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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‘Good Samaritan’ Kills Active Shooter in Texas Sports Bar: Police
by Phil McCausland

A "good Samaritan" with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar Wednesday night, police said.

When 48-year-old James Jones walked inside the Zona Caliente Sports Bar, started yelling and then allegedly shot and killed Cesar Perez — a 37-year-old restaurant manager who'd attempted to calm him down — Arlington police said witnesses were afraid they would be next.

In addition to the gun used to kill Perez, police say Jones had another semiautomatic pistol and two knives on him. The serial number on the second gun had been scratched off, and Jones did not have a gun license, police said.
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