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susie -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 6:47:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: susie
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Face it, we are and always have been a violent nation, we kicked your asses back to England some 200 years ago with our Guns, just to start this nation and if it wasn’t for us and our Guns putting you on our backs and carrying you through two world worlds, you would be speaking German right now, as poorly as you speak English. So, you should be happy we are a violent nation that owns Guns.

I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars. Perhaps you could back that up with facts please.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the UK had both world wars won and really did not need the meager help from the US. [8|]

World War One lasted from July 28, 1914 to November 11, 1918 and so, the UK and friends had about three years to win the win the war, yet didn't and when the US entered the war it is generally considered to be the first turning point in the war and the war ended a year later.

As for World War II, from the beginning the US was a major provider of weapons for the UK and basically defeated Japan by themselves, while the UK was trapped on their islands being continually bombarded and I suppose they were going to retaliate against Germany any day and only waited for the US to join them to attack Europe, out of kindness I suppose.

I think you have been watching too many British made war films, oh wait, the UK really doesn't make films either.
;-)


The reason the US joined WWI was largely for their own benefit. Germany made a secret offer to help Mexico regain territories lost in the Mexican–American War in an encoded telegram known as the Zimmermann Telegram, which was intercepted by British Intelligence. Publication of that communique outraged Americans just as German U-boats started sinking American merchant ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson then asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.





Real0ne -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 7:23:23 AM)

you have no evidence what so ever that telegram was real, as in sent by zimmerman, just the lying asshelmet fucktard british who orchestrated the war and merely claim it happened.

the lusitania was a valid target, it in fact was carrying munitions, which the torpedo set off, but I love your ZOG propaganda which was used as a pretext for war to help the motherland

when it was found britain didnt want anyone going near it till they had time to whitewash and scrub the evidence



In 1914, the US intended to stay out of a conflict that seemed emblematic of the rottenness of old Europe, a place from which most Americans were thankful to have escaped. Step by inexorable step, the US was dragged in. The austere, high-minded president Woodrow Wilson won the 1916 election vowing to maintain neutrality. Germany’s actions, though, made the position untenable. In May 1915, a German U-boat sank the British liner Lusitania, killing 1,198, including 129 Americans. This and other sinkings piled further pressure on Wilson.

and

On November 2, 1917, Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour writes a letter to Britain’s most illustrious Jewish citizen, Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild, expressing the British government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Britain’s public acknowledgement and support of the Zionist movement emerged from its growing concern surrounding the direction of the First World War. By mid-1917, Britain and France were mired in a virtual stalemate with Germany on the Western Front, while efforts to defeat Turkey on the Gallipoli Peninsula had failed spectacularly. On the Eastern Front, the fate of one Ally, Russia, was uncertain: revolution in March had toppled Czar Nicholas II, and the provisional government was struggling against widespread opposition to maintain the country’s disintegrating war effort against Germany and Austria-Hungary. Although the United States had just entered the war on the Allied side, a sizeable infusion of American troops was not scheduled to arrive on the continent until the following year.

Against this backdrop, the government of Prime Minister David Lloyd George—elected in December 1916—made the decision to publicly support Zionism, a movement led in Britain by Chaim Weizmann, a Russian Jewish chemist who had settled in Manchester. The motives behind this decision were various: aside from a genuine belief in the righteousness of the Zionist cause, held by Lloyd George among others, Britain’s leaders hoped that a formal declaration in favor of Zionism would help gain Jewish support for the Allies in neutral countries, in the United States and especially in Russia, where the powerfully anti-Semitic czarist government had just been overthrown with the help of Russia’s significant Jewish population. Finally, despite Britain’s earlier agreement with France dividing influence in the region after the presumed defeat of the Ottoman Empire, Lloyd George had come to see British dominance in Palestine—a land bridge between the crucial territories of India and Egypt—as an essential post-war goal. The establishment of a Zionist state there—under British protection—would accomplish this, while seemingly following the stated Allied aim of self-determination for smaller nations.

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On November 2, Balfour sent a letter to Lord Rothschild, a prominent Zionist and a friend of Chaim Weizmann, stating that: “His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.” By the time the statement was published in British and international newspapers one week later, one of its major objectives had been rendered obsolete: Vladimir Lenin’s Bolsheviks had gained power in Russia, and one of their first actions was to call for an immediate armistice. Russia was out of the war, and no amount of persuasion from Zionist Jews—who, despite Britain’s belief to the contrary, had relatively little influence in the country to begin with—could reverse the outcome.

Nonetheless, the influence of the Balfour Declaration on the course of post-war events was immediate: According to the “mandate” system created by the Versailles Treaty of 1919, Britain was entrusted with the temporary administration of Palestine, with the understanding that it would work on behalf of both its Jewish and Arab inhabitants. Many Arabs, in Palestine and elsewhere, were angered by their failure to receive the nationhood and self-government they had been led to expect in return for their participation in the war against Turkey.




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 11:36:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you have no evidence what so ever that telegram was real, as in sent by zimmerman, just the lying asshelmet fucktard british who orchestrated the war and merely claim it happened.

the lusitania was a valid target, it in fact was carrying munitions, which the torpedo set off, but I love your ZOG propaganda which was used as a pretext for war to help the motherland

when it was found britain didnt want anyone going near it till they had time to whitewash and scrub the evidence



In 1914, the US intended to stay out of a conflict that seemed emblematic of the rottenness of old Europe, a place from which most Americans were thankful to have escaped. Step by inexorable step, the US was dragged in. The austere, high-minded president Woodrow Wilson won the 1916 election vowing to maintain neutrality. Germany’s actions, though, made the position untenable. In May 1915, a German U-boat sank the British liner Lusitania, killing 1,198, including 129 Americans. This and other sinkings piled further pressure on Wilson.

and

On November 2, 1917, Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour writes a letter to Britain’s most illustrious Jewish citizen, Baron Lionel Walter Rothschild, expressing the British government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Britain’s public acknowledgement and support of the Zionist movement emerged from its growing concern surrounding the direction of the First World War. By mid-1917, Britain and France were mired in a virtual stalemate with Germany on the Western Front, while efforts to defeat Turkey on the Gallipoli Peninsula had failed spectacularly. On the Eastern Front, the fate of one Ally, Russia, was uncertain: revolution in March had toppled Czar Nicholas II, and the provisional government was struggling against widespread opposition to maintain the country’s disintegrating war effort against Germany and Austria-Hungary. Although the United States had just entered the war on the Allied side, a sizeable infusion of American troops was not scheduled to arrive on the continent until the following year.

Against this backdrop, the government of Prime Minister David Lloyd George—elected in December 1916—made the decision to publicly support Zionism, a movement led in Britain by Chaim Weizmann, a Russian Jewish chemist who had settled in Manchester. The motives behind this decision were various: aside from a genuine belief in the righteousness of the Zionist cause, held by Lloyd George among others, Britain’s leaders hoped that a formal declaration in favor of Zionism would help gain Jewish support for the Allies in neutral countries, in the United States and especially in Russia, where the powerfully anti-Semitic czarist government had just been overthrown with the help of Russia’s significant Jewish population. Finally, despite Britain’s earlier agreement with France dividing influence in the region after the presumed defeat of the Ottoman Empire, Lloyd George had come to see British dominance in Palestine—a land bridge between the crucial territories of India and Egypt—as an essential post-war goal. The establishment of a Zionist state there—under British protection—would accomplish this, while seemingly following the stated Allied aim of self-determination for smaller nations.

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On November 2, Balfour sent a letter to Lord Rothschild, a prominent Zionist and a friend of Chaim Weizmann, stating that: “His Majesty’s Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.” By the time the statement was published in British and international newspapers one week later, one of its major objectives had been rendered obsolete: Vladimir Lenin’s Bolsheviks had gained power in Russia, and one of their first actions was to call for an immediate armistice. Russia was out of the war, and no amount of persuasion from Zionist Jews—who, despite Britain’s belief to the contrary, had relatively little influence in the country to begin with—could reverse the outcome.

Nonetheless, the influence of the Balfour Declaration on the course of post-war events was immediate: According to the “mandate” system created by the Versailles Treaty of 1919, Britain was entrusted with the temporary administration of Palestine, with the understanding that it would work on behalf of both its Jewish and Arab inhabitants. Many Arabs, in Palestine and elsewhere, were angered by their failure to receive the nationhood and self-government they had been led to expect in return for their participation in the war against Turkey.



In WW1 we were totally unprepared for war.
Our military leaders were not the greatest generals we had ever produced.
For example they wouldn't give pilots parachutes because it "would hurt moral"
and they saddled our infantry with a French light machinegun that was the worst
in the world at the time because they were afraid te germans might capture and copy the BAR if when issued them.
What we provided, and tipped the scales, was fresh bodies who where not burned out by the trench warfare. This forced the Germans into taking chances they wouldn't have otherwise.




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 12:23:29 PM)

Fr

While the discussion on the wars my be interesting but it has nothing to do with the subject.
I understand the frustration of being told by the Brits how we should run our own coutry particularly
after we so throughly explained they couldn't do that a couple of centuries ago.
They rant about how we have had two hundred years to fix our problems and they haven't come to grips
with the fact that we don't take orders from them in the same amout of time.




WickedsDesire -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 12:41:16 PM)

There is no evidence the telegram was genuine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

Cynics such as myself would argue the president of that time(who was it by the way) need a reason/ploy/con/ruse to wade in to his people - who had no stomach for war.




BoscoX -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 12:49:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: susie

The reason the US joined WWI was largely for their own benefit. Germany made a secret offer to help Mexico regain territories lost in the Mexican–American War in an encoded telegram known as the Zimmermann Telegram, which was intercepted by British Intelligence. Publication of that communique outraged Americans just as German U-boats started sinking American merchant ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson then asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.




Mexicans are traditional enemies to Americans and still seek to take territory from us. Now, this time, through orchestrated mass migration




Milesnmiles -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/9/2017 6:31:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: susie


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: susie
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Face it, we are and always have been a violent nation, we kicked your asses back to England some 200 years ago with our Guns, just to start this nation and if it wasn’t for us and our Guns putting you on our backs and carrying you through two world worlds, you would be speaking German right now, as poorly as you speak English. So, you should be happy we are a violent nation that owns Guns.

I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars. Perhaps you could back that up with facts please.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the UK had both world wars won and really did not need the meager help from the US. [8|]

World War One lasted from July 28, 1914 to November 11, 1918 and so, the UK and friends had about three years to win the win the war, yet didn't and when the US entered the war it is generally considered to be the first turning point in the war and the war ended a year later.

As for World War II, from the beginning the US was a major provider of weapons for the UK and basically defeated Japan by themselves, while the UK was trapped on their islands being continually bombarded and I suppose they were going to retaliate against Germany any day and only waited for the US to join them to attack Europe, out of kindness I suppose.

I think you have been watching too many British made war films, oh wait, the UK really doesn't make films either.
;-)


The reason the US joined WWI was largely for their own benefit. Germany made a secret offer to help Mexico regain territories lost in the Mexican–American War in an encoded telegram known as the Zimmermann Telegram, which was intercepted by British Intelligence. Publication of that communique outraged Americans just as German U-boats started sinking American merchant ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson then asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.

So what? No matter what the reason, the UK would still be fighting WWI if not the US "help".




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/10/2017 1:21:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: susie


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: susie
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Face it, we are and always have been a violent nation, we kicked your asses back to England some 200 years ago with our Guns, just to start this nation and if it wasn’t for us and our Guns putting you on our backs and carrying you through two world worlds, you would be speaking German right now, as poorly as you speak English. So, you should be happy we are a violent nation that owns Guns.

I think you have been watching too many US made war films. Obviously you think the US was our saviour in both World Wars. Perhaps you could back that up with facts please.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the UK had both world wars won and really did not need the meager help from the US. [8|]

World War One lasted from July 28, 1914 to November 11, 1918 and so, the UK and friends had about three years to win the win the war, yet didn't and when the US entered the war it is generally considered to be the first turning point in the war and the war ended a year later.

As for World War II, from the beginning the US was a major provider of weapons for the UK and basically defeated Japan by themselves, while the UK was trapped on their islands being continually bombarded and I suppose they were going to retaliate against Germany any day and only waited for the US to join them to attack Europe, out of kindness I suppose.

I think you have been watching too many British made war films, oh wait, the UK really doesn't make films either.
;-)


The reason the US joined WWI was largely for their own benefit. Germany made a secret offer to help Mexico regain territories lost in the Mexican–American War in an encoded telegram known as the Zimmermann Telegram, which was intercepted by British Intelligence. Publication of that communique outraged Americans just as German U-boats started sinking American merchant ships in the North Atlantic. Wilson then asked Congress for "a war to end all wars" that would "make the world safe for democracy", and Congress voted to declare war on Germany on April 6, 1917.

So what? No matter what the reason, the UK would still be fighting WWI if not the US "help".


Another year or so and both sides would have been so burned out they would have had to quit fighting but they may have "settled" into a situation like Korea.




WickedsDesire -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/10/2017 1:47:00 PM)

heh dumbfuk1

The Lusitania was a ruse: Concocted by UK jackals and USA jackals

Now for those who do not know what the
Lusitania

In essence it was the singular reason the American cowardly jackals entered world war one




Termyn8or -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/10/2017 11:33:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

heh dumbfuk1

The Lusitania was a ruse: Concocted by UK jackals and USA jackals

Now for those who do not know what the
Lusitania

In essence it was the singular reason the American cowardly jackals entered world war one


Nope, they found it a few years ago and found the arms. Inform yourself one of these days.

T^T




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/11/2017 8:05:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

heh dumbfuk1

The Lusitania was a ruse: Concocted by UK jackals and USA jackals

Now for those who do not know what the
Lusitania

In essence it was the singular reason the American cowardly jackals entered world war one


Nope, they found it a few years ago and found the arms. Inform yourself one of these days.

T^T

Thr Lusitania was used to sneak war materials into England. More importantly is was a major piece of the British anti German propagada machine to pull the US into the war.
Still this has nothing to do with the thread.




Termyn8or -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/11/2017 9:28:28 PM)

Well, I'm not the one who hijacked it here. Are we into Cuba yet ?

T^T




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/11/2017 9:39:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Well, I'm not the one who hijacked it here. Are we into Cuba yet ?

T^T

me either but then the primary person I was debating disapeared when soundly defeated by his own words




lovmuffin -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/12/2017 12:52:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Gun ownership in such high numbers creates death and misery - not reduce it.



Look at the bright side. Many times gun ownership will put people out of their misery. [8D]




WickedsDesire -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/12/2017 12:56:48 PM)

I didnt mention the Zimmerman telegram




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/12/2017 1:35:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Gun ownership in such high numbers creates death and misery - not reduce it.



Look at the bright side. Many times gun ownership will put people out of their misery. [8D]


Look at post 92 where he admits that all gun control accomplhes is making knufe crimes more common. Specifically he was talking about the doubleing of the murder rate in DC due to the increase in knife and club murders, with no increase in gun murders after their gun ban.




mnottertail -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/12/2017 1:42:22 PM)

cops dont stop crime either, so now what.




BamaD -> RE: So Much for the gun owners dont stop crime.... (5/24/2017 7:40:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
No, my account stays the same, the cop or cops were pulling your leg.

BTW before you said you idn't know about speed limits because you always road in te back seat.
No you say that you drove with total disrgard for both the law (it was only an Amercan law after all) and safety. Which time did you lie, or do youeven kbow any more?

Wrong again bama.
Go read my posts.
I never said I was always in the passenger seat.
I never claimed I didn't know about the speed limiuts either.
It seems you have a faulty memory.

I drove, and still drive, with disregard to speed limits - in the US, the UK, and all over Scandinavia and the EU from Finland to Macedonia and Gibralter and everywhere in between.
If I don't see a police car or a camera, or speed humps (and assuming it's not a busy street with parked cars), I drive at the spped of those around me - not what the sign says.
And if it's an empty road, I usually drive faster than most would.
But that doesn't mean I drive like lunatic with a death wish either.
Those on quad bikes round here would leave me standing with their antics.


So you lied the first time.




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