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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 2:41:34 PM   
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And it's cowardly. Instead of being brave enough to call the parents and demand for the money.

They bully the child by stamping on them.

On top of that! They would rather throw away the food than feed the child who didn't pay. So just because the child didn't pay, they rather the food goes into the bin than just don't waste it since it's already there.

All these practices are ridiculous.

We call, we email, we call again, we send notes. We never throw food away and I am not aware of any district that does this.

We do not stamp, but at least a stamp could not be lost like the notes are.

You are hysterical over some off the wall shit that makes the news and is exaggerated. You see and hear what you want to.

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


Are you paying for it out of your own pocket?

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 2:46:51 PM   
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It is not humiliating to communicate with a parent about their childs lunch account.

Communicate with a parent through humiliating their child by stamping the message on the child's physical skin? For the world to see?

WTF?

Is that the only way you know how to communicate with parents?


As a mother of three children, I am shocked that anyone would consider a need lunch money stamp on the arm to be humiliating. I, personally, think it sounds like a wonderful idea. Children cannot loose a stamp on the arm like they can a note.

I can also say that MY children would not be shamed by a stamp on the arm. For one, I would not freak out about it. I would just deal with the issue. I would also say something like, "Oh, sorry about that, let's take care of that now." No negative emotion is being expressed so there is no reason my children would associate a lunch money stamp with bad things happening.

I also do not freak about things being spilled, the occasional piece of glassware being broken, getting dirty outside, or interesting sartorial choices.

I do, however, communicate with the school. That is less than common in the town I live in. If the teachers get a 30% "showing up" for parent-teacher conferences, they count that as a "win." It is a county that is depressed economically and it seriously impacts the students at the schools.



I disagree. It is ridicculous to stamp a kid. They are a human being not a bulletin board. In a world of text, email, etc, there is no excuse for something like that.




Have you ever handed a child a stamp and ink pad? What about stickers? Markers? Pens? Finger paints? Make-up?

Children LIKE decorating themselves. They also take their cues from the adults. As long as everyone is matter-of-fact about it, the child will be fine.

People get stamped for all sorts of stuff. Going in and out of bars, amusement parks, zoos, roller rinks, concerts, and a plethora of other things.

And I will re-iterate, there are MANY parents that do NOT respond to the school's phone calls, text messages, emails, or notes home.

But this is a stamp. It washes off. I am quite sure that several of the posters here could turn the whole thing into a traumatic event, but it really is just a stamp.


If emails and texts don't work, why do you suppose stamping their kid would.

I was an elementary school teacher for years and i also have a degree in child psychology. Yes... 'fun stickers' are one thing. Being stamped for a negative thing is a whole different ballgame. Young children are smart and they know the difference.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 2:53:13 PM   
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No, actually, you justified that stamping on your child was perfectly okay for lunch money collection reminders because you feel that people feel it's no big deal in your area. But think about how this child will look to other children? Will they get bullied because of it?


No Greta they don't. Because as I already explained, they pretty much chalk it up to the parent forgetting. Even the kids know this. Same with reminders that inevitably go out about people who pay late on field trip fees, class party fees, etc. There are always people who forget and wait to the last minute, day of, and the kids are aware of this, they are aware of reminders, and they don't think anything of it. They just let those things pass over their heads and expect that the adults will get everything handled in time for their little worlds to go on. For the adults that can't do that, other adults are usually watching to see if someone needs help and we do what we can to help them and step in if necessary.

The woman who handles the lunch program at my son's school is a woman that I worked with for several years at another school. She cares for the emotional well being of students as much as any teacher I have ever worked with. She does everything she can to take care of those kids as if they were her own.

And no one bullies my kid. First if all, I wouldn't put up with it. More importantly, he is a 2nd degree black belt. He wouldn't put up with it. But the truth is that it isn't an issue. Not the one you are trying to turn it into anyway, all the way over there from the other side of the world with no view.

Now please just STFU.





Who the fuck are you to tell her to stfu. Fuck off yourself.


Hey tamaka, go meditate or something. Your hate is showing.


No hate involved. Just feeding you back your own crap. You deserved it... the universe agrees with me. Go dig in the dirt some more.


Tamaka, your hatred of people based solely on their orientation or chosen role, things that have nothing to do with their interactions with you, are well established on these boards. What with all the unprovoked malice that you have spewed at people in these forums, if the Universe agrees with you, then it is a universe that I do not care to know.

And I don't know where you are getting this digging in the dirt crap. That's the second time you've said that. Are the voices talking to you again?


I don't hate anyone. I am disgusted by male submissives. I can love them as a person and be disgusted by their behavior/actions.

You need to spend time in the dirt. That's why i keep saying it. Go plant some flowers or something. It's good therapy... you're obviously losing your grip on yourself telling someone to stfu on a message board because she doesn't agree with you. And she's totally correct btw. American culture doesn't support kids being subjected to humiliation. You shouldn't be in a classroom if that's how you think.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 3:14:50 PM   
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And it's cowardly. Instead of being brave enough to call the parents and demand for the money.

They bully the child by stamping on them.

On top of that! They would rather throw away the food than feed the child who didn't pay. So just because the child didn't pay, they rather the food goes into the bin than just don't waste it since it's already there.

All these practices are ridiculous.

We call, we email, we call again, we send notes. We never throw food away and I am not aware of any district that does this.

We do not stamp, but at least a stamp could not be lost like the notes are.

You are hysterical over some off the wall shit that makes the news and is exaggerated. You see and hear what you want to.

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


Are you paying for it out of your own pocket?


I have spent plenty out of my own pocket because of parents who will not do what they should. And trust me when I tell you a cafeteria manager does not make enough to do this.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 3:16:30 PM   
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And it's cowardly. Instead of being brave enough to call the parents and demand for the money.

They bully the child by stamping on them.

On top of that! They would rather throw away the food than feed the child who didn't pay. So just because the child didn't pay, they rather the food goes into the bin than just don't waste it since it's already there.

All these practices are ridiculous.

We call, we email, we call again, we send notes. We never throw food away and I am not aware of any district that does this.

We do not stamp, but at least a stamp could not be lost like the notes are.

You are hysterical over some off the wall shit that makes the news and is exaggerated. You see and hear what you want to.

So again, when can I expect you to send me a blank check, or make a donation to ANY school in the states to help pay off these charges?


Are you paying for it out of your own pocket?


I have spent plenty out of my own pocket because of parents who will not do what they should. And trust me when I tell you a cafeteria manager does not make enough to do this.


Don't pay it. Inform the guidance counselor.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 3:19:30 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 3:52:38 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 3:56:14 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?


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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 4:12:33 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?



I guess I do not know the secret handshake because I have worked in school food services for 25 years and never heard of a "school committee". I guess I am not worthy to even discuss this matter with someone as knowledgeable as you. Have a lovely day.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 4:28:59 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?



I guess I do not know the secret handshake because I have worked in school food services for 25 years and never heard of a "school committee". I guess I am not worthy to even discuss this matter with someone as knowledgeable as you. Have a lovely day.


Your school committee are the elected people in your town or city (usually parents run for school committe) who oversee the schools, budgets, policies, escalated problems, etc. They would handle something like this issue if it is a problem. They meet at least once a month. You could find out from your school's principal who is the chairperson of the school committee and bring this issue to their attention.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 4:52:09 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?



I guess I do not know the secret handshake because I have worked in school food services for 25 years and never heard of a "school committee". I guess I am not worthy to even discuss this matter with someone as knowledgeable as you. Have a lovely day.


Your school committee are the elected people in your town or city (usually parents run for school committe) who oversee the schools, budgets, policies, escalated problems, etc. They would handle something like this issue if it is a problem. They meet at least once a month. You could find out from your school's principal who is the chairperson of the school committee and bring this issue to their attention.


Are you talking about PTO/PTA organizations, which are usually committees run by parents that designed to support the school but have no say in school affairs, or are you talking about the Board of Education, which is the elected and/or appointed board that can be made up of any citizens, parent or not, that governs the schools affairs?

Are you sure you were a teacher? Because in no state are these called "committees", unless you are associated with some sort of alternative, non-traditional school system I am unaware of. These are called Boards of Education at every level, from city to county to state all the way up to the national level.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:11:30 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?



I guess I do not know the secret handshake because I have worked in school food services for 25 years and never heard of a "school committee". I guess I am not worthy to even discuss this matter with someone as knowledgeable as you. Have a lovely day.


Your school committee are the elected people in your town or city (usually parents run for school committe) who oversee the schools, budgets, policies, escalated problems, etc. They would handle something like this issue if it is a problem. They meet at least once a month. You could find out from your school's principal who is the chairperson of the school committee and bring this issue to their attention.


Are you talking about PTO/PTA organizations, which are usually committees run by parents that designed to support the school but have no say in school affairs, or are you talking about the Board of Education, which is the elected and/or appointed board that can be made up of any citizens, parent or not, that governs the schools affairs?

Are you sure you were a teacher? Because in no state are these called "committees", unless you are associated with some sort of alternative, non-traditional school system I am unaware of. These are called Boards of Education at every level, from city to county to state all the way up to the national level.


No.. it's not the Board of Education. That is different. That sets academic standards etc. It is not the PTA. It is the Town or City's elected School Committee, whom the school system's Superintendent of Schools reports to.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:18:53 PM   
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I don't hate anyone. I am disgusted by male submissives. I can love them as a person and be disgusted by their behavior/actions.


You have gone far beyond expressing disgust and more, to male submissives and many more people on here, without provocation.

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You need to spend time in the dirt. That's why i keep saying it. Go plant some flowers or something. It's good therapy... you're obviously losing your grip on yourself telling someone to stfu on a message board because she doesn't agree with you.


I am telling her to STFU number 1 because of the way that she is misrepresenting what I am saying, number 2 because of the way she is (as usual) misunderstanding and distorting a situation she knows nothing about and number 3 because I am tired of listening to her ignorance.

As far as telling me I need to go plant some flowers or something, sounds to me like you are the one who needs to find something to do, rather than jump into the middle of a conversation that had nothing to do with you and start telling me how I should or shouldn't behave.

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And she's totally correct btw. American culture doesn't support kids being subjected to humiliation.


As far as the whole humiliation bit goes, just to make sure that I wasn't remembering things the way that I wanted to, as it has been a while since this has happened in my household, I asked my son again today about this whole lunch stamp issue, and whether it was humiliating, did kids say anything to him the times that he got one, did he notice kids saying anything to other kids when they got one, did kids get bullied because of it, etc.

His response was that kids just see it and say 'oh, you forgot your lunch money', and then forget about it. He then asked me why I was asking, and I told him that I was involved in a discussion about it and I told him what some of the arguments against the practice were, and that people were saying it led to humiliation and bullying. He just rolled his eyes and said that people were stupid and were making a big deal over nothing.

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You shouldn't be in a classroom if that's how you think.


My feedback from administration and parents says otherwise, and I put much more stock into what they have to say than into anything that you have to say any day of the week and twice on Sunday.



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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:21:08 PM   
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Tamaka do you think I do not do that? I do that, I get social workers involved, I call, I beg, I pay out of my pocket and I watch students cry when they have to get an alternative meal.

None of these things work all the time. Counselors can only do so much. Social workers can only do so much, and believe me that they are dealing with horrors that make not having lunch money seem like nothing at all.

So please, get off my ass and the ass of all of us who work in child nutrition.

A fucking stamp on a student is not going to scar them. Unless some asshole adult makes it a bigger deal that it is.


Sure... make the child pay for your problems. Because you're frustrated. Did you bring the issue to the school committee?



I guess I do not know the secret handshake because I have worked in school food services for 25 years and never heard of a "school committee". I guess I am not worthy to even discuss this matter with someone as knowledgeable as you. Have a lovely day.


Your school committee are the elected people in your town or city (usually parents run for school committe) who oversee the schools, budgets, policies, escalated problems, etc. They would handle something like this issue if it is a problem. They meet at least once a month. You could find out from your school's principal who is the chairperson of the school committee and bring this issue to their attention.


Are you talking about PTO/PTA organizations, which are usually committees run by parents that designed to support the school but have no say in school affairs, or are you talking about the Board of Education, which is the elected and/or appointed board that can be made up of any citizens, parent or not, that governs the schools affairs?

Are you sure you were a teacher? Because in no state are these called "committees", unless you are associated with some sort of alternative, non-traditional school system I am unaware of. These are called Boards of Education at every level, from city to county to state all the way up to the national level.


No.. it's not the Board of Education. That is different. That sets academic standards etc. It is not the PTA. It is the Town or City's elected School Committee, whom the school system's Superintendent of Schools reports to.


Superintendents report to the local Board of Education. The State Department of Education sets academic standards.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:23:50 PM   
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Nope. Go check with your Superintendent.

Here's Boston's, for example:

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/domain/162


Regarding your son, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. If another child takes it as humiliation and harrassment, it is to them.



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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:29:45 PM   
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Live in Arkansas, two kids through public and private schools and never heard of "a school committee".

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:32:50 PM   
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Nope. Go check with your Superintendent.

Here's Boston's, for example:

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/domain/162

Well then that is what Boston has chosen to call it, because the federal terminology is Board, and is what is used elsewhere. From the US Dept of Education (emphasis mine)
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ous/international/usnei/us/edlite-org-us.html

SCHOOL DISTRICT RESOURCES

Public education at the local level is organized by school districts, of which there are over 14,000. These districts are governed by school boards comprised of elected citizens who exercise broad policy oversight of operations, budgets, and staff, and may oversee local school curricula within state guidelines. Local education agencies perform operational oversight and administrative support for U.S. public pre-primary, primary, and secondary schools as well as many special education, adult learning, and vocational training centers. School boards generally oversee district operations via professional district superintendents and district administrative staffs.

Local agencies do not usually exercise authority over local private schools or higher education institutions, except for a few municipally operated public colleges and universities.
National School Boards Association (NSBA) provides information, resources, and databases related to the work of the over 14,000 local school boards across the United States.


Hence my and JstAnotherSub's confusion, as both of us have been in the profession 20+ years each and have never heard committee used for this organization.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:41:00 PM   
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Live in Arkansas, two kids through public and private schools and never heard of "a school committee".

I think Massachusetts is the only state that does it.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:41:45 PM   
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Ok well maybe you folks down south call it something different. Up North we call them school committees.

My point was for her to seek to bring this issue to the local committee (or board) that runs her school system. She should do it minimally as a CYA thing. Better to be proactive and handle things through the proper channels.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/8/2017 5:44:17 PM   
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Nope. Go check with your Superintendent.

Here's Boston's, for example:

http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/domain/162


Regarding your son, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. If another child takes it as humiliation and harrassment, it is to them.



What child has been bullied?

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