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diss in me - 7/26/2006 3:33:59 PM   
need2beloved002


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Hello Masters. This will be my second post ever. The first "to spank or not to spank" i received a lot of helpful repines. It was a positive experience. i thought i'd do it again. i would like to know how do you think a D/s relationship would be affected if, there where little to no consequences for the submissive actions. Assume that there are rules set and agreed upon by both, As well as, discipline, obedience training and corporal punishment.  What i would like to know, is, how do you see this affecting the sub/slave?   I'd also like to know how you would predict the subs behavior be like. do you think sub could ever feel accomplished in her submission? Why would a Dominate own a sub with a need or desire for correction and
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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 3:53:19 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I am not sure, but I think you are asking what would happen if a Dominant (not Dominate) did not enforce the rules that have been set up for their sub? The sub would be dissatisfied and probably misbehave even more to get the Dom's attention. Eventually the relationship would disintegrate.

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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 7:40:00 PM   
leatherorlace


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Status: offline 		your questions actually left Me just a tad confuzzled, too, but right now, I want to know why, Estring is prompting others to "Boycoot whales"? Did He have a traumatic experience with one, did a pod cause Him some fright, or is there some distress over an unrequited love affair with one of the large critters. Does, Estring have a thang for big beautiful whales? Will our questions be answered or will He shine My humour on? lol
Gentry
PS: Should I reserve a space on Lake Mead for a whale watch and possibly see some risque behaviour, meaning that, I shouldn't invite a gal with kiddies just incase the whales and Estring begin to makeup and frolic. heheheee
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Hello Masters. This will be my second post ever. The first "to spank or not to spank" i received a lot of helpful repines. It was a positive experience. i thought i'd do it again. i would like to know how do you think a D/s relationship would be affected if, there where little to no consequences for the submissive actions. Assume that there are rules set and agreed upon by both, As well as, discipline, obedience training and corporal punishment.  What i would like to know, is, how do you see this affecting the sub/slave?   I'd also like to know how you would predict the subs behavior be like. do you think sub could ever feel accomplished in her submission? Why would a Dominate own a sub with a need or desire for correction and

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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 7:43:17 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		You just can't trust a pesky whale.

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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 8:23:39 PM   
leatherorlace


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Status: offline 		I've managed to survive several encounters with the results from putting to much trust in numerous Critters, Varmints, Sluts, slaves, aberrant submissives, and even sawm, on a daily basis, with Porpoises and had a painful encounter with a neurotic female while, I served in the NAVY.
   I've enjoyed watching whales, especially if they're in pods so that more than one can be recognized if ones pays close attention to their differences.
  I become feverently pissed whenever, I see a whaler on the learning channels, and have even poisoned My own Karma by expressing or uttering statements like" They should have dropped more fissionables on Japan". Maybe My love of other creatures will cause My Karma to be less dulled by My angry statements. lol
   I was hoping that the young girl would return and attempt to make her statement a tad clearer so that, I can offer one of My magnificent opinions. heheheheeeee
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You just can't trust a pesky whale.

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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 9:55:31 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Well it wouldn't last long with me. Someone would have trouble sitting for a week.

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RE: diss in me - 7/26/2006 9:59:38 PM   
leatherorlace


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Status: offline 		I'll stop being flippant and attempting to be humourous since, I wasn't doing it to cause her any angst, just attempting to get her to be a tad clearer so that My defrosted greycells can comprehend her dilema.
  Having no firm rules or tenets for a girl to follow is cheating her of the structure that she most likely needs to escape the daily vanilla intrusions that cause her turmoil. I can't imagine not having some training regimen to reinforce those tenets until they are second nature for her, and she's able to serve and embrace the pleasures derived from that service.
  I'm not one that punishes a girl for My own sake or pleasures, I prefer that her floggings, spankings, single tail sessions, etc be pleasureable experiences. her sensuality is the harp that, I prefer to play.
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ORIGINAL: need2beloved002







Hello Masters. This will be my second post ever. The first "to spank or not to spank" i received a lot of helpful repines. It was a positive experience. i thought i'd do it again. i would like to know how do you think a D/s relationship would be affected if, there where little to no consequences for the submissive actions. Assume that there are rules set and agreed upon by both, As well as, discipline, obedience training and corporal punishment.  What i would like to know, is, how do you see this affecting the sub/slave?   I'd also like to know how you would predict the subs behavior be like. do you think sub could ever feel accomplished in her submission? Why would a Dominate own a sub with a need or desire for correction and

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RE: diss in me - 7/27/2006 2:53:52 AM   
Wolfie648


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RE: diss in me - 7/29/2006 4:35:30 AM   
wandering4u


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Status: offline 		I agree with Popeye, there would be trouble sitting or if the behavior continued after that there would be a quick push out the door. Rules , when defined and agreed to are to be followed. An occasional mistake is to be expected - we are human after all - but a total void when it comes to following the rules by either party is unacceptable.

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RE: diss in me - 7/29/2006 4:47:20 AM   
SirDarkside357


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Status: offline 		Ok, not sure if this is the correct answer, cause I'm not totally sure what the question was, but hey, I'll give it a go.......When I take a slave, the rules are pretty much laid out, she has 3 options.....obey without question...disobey and be punished....leave.  If a situation comes up that has not been properly covered, we discuss it and rules are put into place.  I tend to only take slaves that are of sound mind, atleast to a point, and it usually doesn't take much punishment to get the point across.....if it does, then we do have a problem.  Although I do have a fondness for giving pain to those that enjoy it..... punishment is not play and I do not enjoy it.  If the problem continues, then I may have to use option 4...my option to say go away.

Be Well,
Darkside

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 5:54:50 PM   
need2beloved002


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Status: offline 		 Can a sub become a good sub if she isn't disciplined consistently when she disobeys her Master or if one day a rule is enforced but then the next day the same rule is overlooked? It would seem to me that the sub would feel compelled to constantly test her master to see if he is still interested in the life lifestyle or if she is kneeling at the feet of someone who wouldn't notice if she wasn't there?            For example, the rule is the sub is not allowed to sit on the furniture.  She is told if she disobeys she will be punished, so for a while she doesn't sit on the furniture and nothing is mentioned about it again. One day her Master comes home and catches her sitting her butt on the couch, and does nothing, says nothing, he doesn't seem to notice.  Another day same thing  she is on the furniture  but this time He tells her she is going to be punished, but then he does not punish her,  then once again he catches her on the furniture but this time does punish her.  I wonder how the sub would behave after awhile?  Would the sub have any chance of becoming a good submissive

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 5:56:26 PM   
need2beloved002


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Status: offline 		i am sorry for all the confusion; i had a lot on my mind when i wrote the post.

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 6:00:32 PM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		Never make rules you will not enforce with immediate and consistent consequences.

To do so is to invite disdain, and a sense that you do not care about the sub.

< Message edited by Homestead -- 8/1/2006 6:01:27 PM >

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 6:18:22 PM   
MmakeMme


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Status: offline 		I agree with Homestead - consistency is key. Something that is forbidden one day and ok the next would be confusing, and it seems that a sub / slave in such an inconsistent environment would be terrified to move for fear that Activity X, that was ok yesterday, is forbidden today. It would make for a less-than-satisfying existence for both Dom and sub.

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 6:26:35 PM   
subexec


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Status: offline 		i think that at least imho....if a sub isnt disciplined for something...that she knows she shouldnt do, she will feel unloved. often control and discipline is felt as love. that said the discipline often isnt spanking or something fun probably something boring like corner time. lol.


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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 6:28:55 PM   
subexec


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Status: offline 		in other words...i agree with estring answer....lol.

and i'm trying to post and get rid of that vanilla cone. lol

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RE: diss in me - 8/1/2006 6:42:14 PM   
angelica4


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Status: offline 		quit apologizing....that's part of the trouble with us...we apologize all over the place when there is no need, we are just saying what is on our mind, trying to sort things out and have friends listen and offer a word or two, hopefully of encouragement and understanding.  i understand EXACTLY what you are talking about.   Master and I enjoyed a pretty loose at times relationship, in which I was allowed to be his buddy at times.  I didn't know when I would be punished for what was chuckled at earlier.  The last time I saw him, a few weeks ago, he beat the tar out of me for a comment that he said was disrespectful.  Any other time he would have laughed about it.  I locked the door behind him.  there needs be no big CLOSURE here....I don't care to speak to him again.  He was always right, anyway and I am sure he feels justified now.  I will deal with my hurt on my own, and hopefully not pick so hastily in the future.  He showed up at a time when I was still mourning the death of my previous Master, and I was very vulnerable.  I fell right in, to the biggest rabbithole of them all.    much love and grace to you
angelica

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RE: diss in me - 8/6/2006 1:10:34 AM   
leatherorlace


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Status: offline 		Well poop, I can't remember all of what His answer was, just that He's a whale hater, Hatred against a species is only justified when it's directed towards serpents. I purely hate snakes, fanged or not, I won't tolerate having them near Me. I allowed a pair of snakeskin boots to mold in My fartherest storage shed despite the snivelin' of My girl about their rarity and cost.
   When I was young, I followed the career of Ross Allen, at the time he was considered the worlds foremost herpethologist. I was still hunting and catching hot snakes until, I shipped for the RVN the first time. Time, locale and the preponderance of species can soon change ones minf. Being in close proximity to fanged critters soon became something that, I avoided, and their rapid demise became My only concern for those that ventured into shotgun range of Me. lol
  I gotta discover what it is that, E-string hates about whales, and what it is that the orientals find so delectable about them. I doubt that, I'll change My diet, but just incase, I may have to surf the Colorade in search of their hideouts. lmao
Gentry
 

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RE: diss in me - 8/6/2006 6:18:37 AM   
CreoleCook


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It depends.



gotta say, man, nice tattoo!

that HAD to be painful, when it got to the crossguard, and the points hitting the shouldblade bones...

CC

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RE: diss in me - 8/6/2006 6:29:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: need2beloved002







how do you think a D/s relationship would be affected if, there where little to no consequences for the submissive actions?

Assume that there are rules set and agreed upon by both, As well as, discipline, obedience training and corporal punishment. 

What i would like to know, is, how do you see this affecting the sub/slave?  

I'd also like to know how you would predict the subs behavior be like.

do you think sub could ever feel accomplished in her submission?

Why would a Dominate own a sub with a need or desire for correction and...
(still be mischevious?)


to the First... I would say sometimes inaction is a response.  Not my own, but it is a response.  Perhaps the dominant in question is based more on the Tantra/ more sensual side of D/s and BDSM, and allows the submissive to (as you put it) get away with more physical sass, knowing he is able to discipline her if she gets to rambunctous...

the 2nd... It would depend upon the relationship, and the set agreements they made when it formed.  It is not for me to judge others actions.  I may not agree with them, but then, its not my relationship.

predict a sub's behaviour?  yeah, thats like predicting the weather in south florida... you know its gonna rain at some point, but you have no idea what time...

the 3rd... Again, it would depend upon the submissive, and the interaction between the two partners.  If she knows she can flirt, cut up, and be generally mischevious, yet knows she has a line she cannot cross, then everything else is fair game.  I won't say making rules as you go along, but then, it depends upon the amount of time within the relationship, and the adaptation, and compromising between dominant, and submissive.

Creole

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