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not sure, but technically most traffic stops are illegal unless someones life was in danger by speeding or some other material matter with the vehicle.

You have no idea.
That means you're here arguing just to argue.

hardly, I am pointing out the elephant sitting at your table, that you want to ignore and expect others to ignore because you ignore it.

DUE PROCESS and this man died for what? Killing someone on the highway? 99% chance a burned out tail light.

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Some people here are always crying that the police are just hunters who like to kill black men unnecessarily.

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not sure, but technically most traffic stops are illegal unless someones life was in danger by speeding or some other material matter with the vehicle.

You have no idea.
That means you're here arguing just to argue.

hardly, I am pointing out the elephant sitting at your table, that you want to ignore and expect others to ignore because you ignore it.

DUE PROCESS and this man died for what? Killing someone on the highway? 99% chance a burned out tail light.

Calls to 911 warned of an SUV abandoned on the highway blocking the road. The first came from a woman who said an abandoned vehicle was blocking the street and a man was running away, warning that it was going to blow up.

Officer Betty Shelby was the first to arrive, and encountered a large black man whom was pacing erratically on the road around the SUV. He approach the officer, and She initially asked the individual to withdraw his hands from his pockets.

He complies - but also puts his hands up in the air.
She begins to ask questions about the vehicle.
He puts his hands back in his pockets.

She draws her side arm and commands him to remove his hands from his pockets.

Again he withdraws his hands and instead puts them in the air.
He then ignores her and walks towards the vehicle.
Every command to Stop is ignored.

Several police officers also arrive on scene.

The black male gets to the door of the SUV with his hands in the air.

All police officers draw their side arm with another one drawing a tazer to incapacitate the individual.

A He continues to ignore commands.

From here the story gets conflicted.
The basic gist is that he was trying to enter his vehicle.
the video suggests he put his hand back in his pocket to retrieve keys, but conflicting reports says he tried to open the door or reach into the window (although some state that the window was not open).

At this time a fire arm is discharged and the individual is killed.



So much for a casual traffic stop or burned out tail light.

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Well i don't know about you, but if a cop told me to freeze, i wouldn't keep walking to my car.

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I would agree that cops are risking their lives every day to deal with thugs, criminals and junkies for us. Are there a few bad apples, sure.. such is the nature of humanity.

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From here the story gets conflicted.

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not sure, but technically most traffic stops are illegal unless someones life was in danger by speeding or some other material matter with the vehicle.

You have no idea.
That means you're here arguing just to argue.

hardly, I am pointing out the elephant sitting at your table, that you want to ignore and expect others to ignore because you ignore it.

DUE PROCESS and this man died for what? Killing someone on the highway? 99% chance a burned out tail light.

He was parked illegally in the middle of the road (misdemeanor) = why there was police interaction
He failed to obey police commands (misdemeanor) = why he was shot
He was accused to have PCP in his vehicle (which the police should never have been allowed to search) = justification for seeing him as a criminal.

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I would agree that cops are risking their lives every day to deal with thugs, criminals and junkies for us. Are there a few bad apples, sure.. such is the nature of humanity.

I too would like to support the overall police efforts. I agree they signed up for a dangerous job. A job to bring people to justice. Not a job to dispense justice. This particular guy we are talking about today was guilty of 2 misdemeanors. Very minor and could have been handled with slaps on the wrist or fines. No other cop on-scene was of the mindset that lethal force was needed. Yet here you are not only defending the cops actions but somehow throwing this guy into a bin of "thugs, criminals, and junkies". The problem for some people is that what they saw was a thug, criminal, or junkie. They didn't see a man in distress, a citizen who needed help. You may be a racist but I don't know you well enough to make that judgment so I will not call you one. The fact of the matter is that some people see black men, especially ones of his complexion and stature and conclude that he is somehow a danger to society.

Also lest we not forget; thugs, criminals, and junkies are hazards of their jobs but their job is to keep the peace and do so by placing the unruly and dangerous into custody and bringing them for their day in court. There may have been better ways to do it. The BLM argument: If the guy had been a 20-year-old white girl doing exactly the same thing, the public outrage would have been a bit more serious. We see black people getting shot and we say "what did that thug do?"

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There are many people who insist on touting stats in regards to body counts, black on black crime, inner city violence, and the like without truly analyzing the source of the data. For my fellow fetishists reading this let us consider that I have never been arrested when there were no police around, chances are, neither have you. We break laws all the time some small like stopping your car in the middle of the street and others more severe like carrying PCP across state lines. If the cops are all on one freeway, that is where all the tickets will be written. That does not mean there is more speeding happening elsewhere. So, of course, that is where all the crime will seem to pop up.

For now, let's ignore disparities in income and class standing that MAY lead to a life more prone to illegal activity. Police are killing people. According to the Wall Street Journal's review of 105 of the nation's largest police departments, 500 of at least 1,800 police killings were missing from the FBI tally. This also does not include the counts of felony homicide where a police officer kills someone (most certainly someone in the vicinity) while trying to apprehend a fugitive. Those numbers are attributed to the fugitive (most likely someone of color). Which means (1) we do not have an accurate count of people being killed by the cops and whatever number we have is much higher than reported,(2)the Feds have documented proof killings are being underreported (3) the courts are justifying some that they probably shouldn't, and (4) studies have shown that cops are only hitting their targets with 1 of 6 rounds fired.

Summary - when cops are chasing people in neighborhoods of color, discharging their weapons in densely populated areas for non-violent misdemeanor crimes, then allowed to write off the shootings as justified or, worse yet, pin the consequences for the shooting on the person they were shooting at, what stats can you believe? As a gun owner in America, I do not need to be trained or in many states not even licensed to have the weapon but as an amateur, I am still held accountable for all of my rounds. If you were a professional driver, doctor, even reporter, you are held to a higher standard. Police are not. This is a part of the BLM movement everyone should be able to agree on.

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Yep. If i saw a story about a white person in that situation i wouldn't feel sorry for them. But because he's black, i'm supposed to think... poor black guy. If not, i'll be branded a racist. I think the racists are the ones who think black people are always the victim of the whites.

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If the guy had been a 20-year-old white girl doing exactly the same thing, the public outrage would have been a bit more serious. We see black people getting shot and we say "what did that thug do?"

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I also noticed that he never said one way or another if the "victim" was reaching into the car, or if he was warned not to. Both of those things would have a major influence on the verdict.

I am not saying the cop was innocent butI find what we wern't told as important as what we were.

His narrative of what (in his mind ) the jury deliberation was indicates that he was reaching in the car for something, we don't know what, but should the cops take the chance ?

The 'victim' was standing next to a police cruiser when the officer drew her weapon on him. At this point he put his hands in the air... he then turned and slowly walked 20-30 feet away from the officer to the driver side door of his own vehicle ignoring the police on scene for a solid 20 seconds. Although every video is obscure from that moment forward the testimony implies that he was trying to open the driver side door of his vehicle despite the now 3 guns being pointed at him commanding him to stop.

I think that is the largest influence on the verdict...

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I would agree that cops are risking their lives every day to deal with thugs, criminals and junkies for us. Are there a few bad apples, sure.. such is the nature of humanity.

I too would like to support the overall police efforts. I agree they signed up for a dangerous job. A job to bring people to justice. Not a job to dispense justice. This particular guy we are talking about today was guilty of 2 misdemeanors. Very minor and could have been handled with slaps on the wrist or fines. No other cop on-scene was of the mindset that lethal force was needed. Yet here you are not only defending the cops actions but somehow throwing this guy into a bin of "thugs, criminals, and junkies". The problem for some people is that what they saw was a thug, criminal, or junkie. They didn't see a man in distress, a citizen who needed help. You may be a racist but I don't know you well enough to make that judgment so I will not call you one. The fact of the matter is that some people see black men, especially ones of his complexion and stature and conclude that he is somehow a danger to society.

Also lest we not forget; thugs, criminals, and junkies are hazards of their jobs but their job is to keep the peace and do so by placing the unruly and dangerous into custody and bringing them for their day in court. There may have been better ways to do it. The BLM argument: If the guy had been a 20-year-old white girl doing exactly the same thing, the public outrage would have been a bit more serious. We see black people getting shot and we say "what did that thug do?"

If it had been a white person there would have been little outrage because there would have been little coverage.
Google white people getting shot by the police and you get stories about the police killing blacks.
From the press coverage white lives don't matter.

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Well then there you go.