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Thank you for your contributions to this thread, tamaka.
You're welcome Peon.
So which branch of the military did you serve?
He didn't say that he did, but he did grow up in a family where his father was on the front line of fighting terrorism in London.
Your attempt to devalue his previous statement by clumsily trying to claim that it is invalid unless he was personally a soldier is puerile and intentionally obtuse.
Those close to me served in both Ireland and the Middle East and, having risked their lives, share the view that strengthening communities, rather than exacerbating inter and intra-community conflict is the only way to defeat terrorism.
The people and the State have to be better and more tolerant than the terrorists or you just stoke the cycle of violence. Unlike fanning the flames of hatred, solidarity and tolerance requires true moral courage.
Why do you think they target very young girls at a pop concert. Why didn't your welcome wagon fruit baskets make them love all of you. Why do you think this keeps happening in the very face of Europe's "liberal" tolerance and welcoming arms
You lash out at me, you lash out at tamaka, but you have no real answers other than your hate toward those who do know why they do this
It is their ticket to paradise
That, their cult teachings, are what makes them Muslims
Peon calls me a racist for pointing out the truth, despite the fact that there is no Muslim race
It is a cult, and their book and their teachings literally demand that they kill you and everyone around you who isn't them in the most terroristic ways imaginable
Just as they have been doing for about the last thousand years, since the time of Mohammad
You have serious misconceptions about the UK's approach to terrorism if you think the state's approach to terrorism is liberal in any way.
We have detention, tagging and home arrest without trial or even disclosing to the subject matter which is of concern to the authorities. The protection of intelligence sources comes far beyond the rights of the individual to know what they are being investigated for or potentially charged with. In that sense it is more draconian than Guantanamo although the detention environment is better.
The UK has the most intrusive electronic surveillance in the world, with very limited bureaucratic review, which cannot even be described as judicial review, let alone democratic accountability. The UK government has been gathering mass population internet and phone data for years at a level which makes US surveillance seem positively liberal. Coupled with that we have the highest number of cameras in public places.
People are imprison with "life" terms similar to murder for attempting to travel to Syria with the alleged aim of participating in what is a foreign war. These are invariably individual whose families have approached the authorities for help when they have realised that a family member has been radicalised and aims to travel to the Middle East. Travelling to fight in a foreign war is not even a crime in most countries.
There is a "Prevent" programme which identifies potentially radicalised individuals in schools, colleges and universities. These people are then given intensive "support" and monitored by the authorities. This programme, although seen by a section of society as counter-productive and discriminating against many innocent Muslims, is supported by a large proportion of Muslims who report those they know in the hope of preventing terrorism.
Far more potential terrorist plots are foiled by intelligence than ever take place. We regularly have violent arrests of potential trouble-makers and terrorist cells, including the shooting of female suspects in a country where the Police rarely use weapons and every shooting sparks a major inquiry.
By the admission of the Police and intelligence services, most of the intelligence which has led to arrests of Muslims comes directly from the Muslim community, in the shape of people who openly admit that is what they do. A number of Muslims have stated that they pass information to "Prevent" and the Police, quite openly on TV news tonight. They see themselves as protecting their community, not betraying fellow Muslims.
There is nothing "liberal" about the UK's approach to Islamic extremism and terrorism, quite the opposite. There is also nothing half-hearted about the contribution of British Muslims to that effort, even when it comes to their own family members.
These draconian measures are latterly being gradually introduced to the rest of Europe and are way beyond anything the US is doing.
The notion that the UK is being soft on terrorists because they are Muslim is laughable. It is against this backdrop that calls are made not to demonise all Muslims and to pull together as one community - not some kind of naive "welcome wagon" approach as you suggest.
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