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Musicmystery -> Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:33:15 AM)

On same weekend as record-breaking arms deal, Saudis announced $100 million donation to Ivanka fund

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/21/1664578/-On-same-weekend-as-record-breaking-arms-deal-Saudis-announced-100-million-donation-to-Ivanka-fund?_=2017-05-21T06%3A47%3A07.354-07%3A00

Ivanka Trump’s new fund raises all sorts of ethical questions

If true, this is egregious and potentially illegal, according to multiple ethics and legal experts. “If the donation would be a quid pro quo bribe, then asking for it is certainly solicitation of a bribe, which is every bit as criminal as the bribe itself,” Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe tells me via email. “But I started that sentence with ‘if’ because I don’t have enough facts about the donation request to opine on the ultimate bribe issue.” Nevertheless, he says:

At the very least, though, a donation is a “present,” which – if made by a foreign government or an agent of such a government or an entity controlled by it – is expressly banned by the text of the Foreign Emoluments Clause with respect to anyone holding “any Office of Profit or Trust” under the United States. Whether it counts as an “emolument” becomes irrelevant if it’s a “present,” which any donation would at least be.

Tribe explains, “Even if the First Daughter and Assistant to the President somehow manages to create formal distance between herself and that version of the Clinton Foundation, which of course her father denounced endlessly during the campaign, the hypocrisy of the move is jaw-dropping.” He adds, “Such contributions would surely constitute a financial benefit to … her brand, and her family’s brand even if she is unable to spend a penny of the contributions themselves. As such, soliciting such contributions violates at least the spirit of the Foreign Emoluments Clause.”

Even more explicitly, the Office of Government Ethics rules, former Republican ethics counsel Richard Painter tells me, “prohibit use of official position to solicit for ANY charity or other private entity.” The OGE guidelines specifically state: “Executive branch employees are subject to restrictions on the gifts that they may accept from sources outside the Government. Unless an exception applies, executive branch employees may not accept gifts that are given because of their official positions or that come from certain interested sources.” The rationale for this is obvious (except to Trump). “Even if a gift is from a person or organization that has no official dealings with the employee’s agency, accepting a gift offered because of the employee’s official position may create an appearance of using public office for private gain,” the OGE guidelines explain. “Moreover, if an employee receives a payment from an outside source in some circumstances, the public may believe that the employee is serving two masters or is distracted by outside activities.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/04/26/ivanka-trumps-new-fund-raises-all-sorts-of-ethical-questions/?utm_term=.4e76aeb9d880




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:40:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

On same weekend as record-breaking arms deal, Saudis announced $100 million donation to Ivanka fund

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/21/1664578/-On-same-weekend-as-record-breaking-arms-deal-Saudis-announced-100-million-donation-to-Ivanka-fund?_=2017-05-21T06%3A47%3A07.354-07%3A00

Ivanka Trump’s new fund raises all sorts of ethical questions

If true, this is egregious and potentially illegal, according to multiple ethics and legal experts. “If the donation would be a quid pro quo bribe, then asking for it is certainly solicitation of a bribe, which is every bit as criminal as the bribe itself,” Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe tells me via email. “But I started that sentence with ‘if’ because I don’t have enough facts about the donation request to opine on the ultimate bribe issue.” Nevertheless, he says:

At the very least, though, a donation is a “present,” which – if made by a foreign government or an agent of such a government or an entity controlled by it – is expressly banned by the text of the Foreign Emoluments Clause with respect to anyone holding “any Office of Profit or Trust” under the United States. Whether it counts as an “emolument” becomes irrelevant if it’s a “present,” which any donation would at least be.

Tribe explains, “Even if the First Daughter and Assistant to the President somehow manages to create formal distance between herself and that version of the Clinton Foundation, which of course her father denounced endlessly during the campaign, the hypocrisy of the move is jaw-dropping.” He adds, “Such contributions would surely constitute a financial benefit to … her brand, and her family’s brand even if she is unable to spend a penny of the contributions themselves. As such, soliciting such contributions violates at least the spirit of the Foreign Emoluments Clause.”

Even more explicitly, the Office of Government Ethics rules, former Republican ethics counsel Richard Painter tells me, “prohibit use of official position to solicit for ANY charity or other private entity.” The OGE guidelines specifically state: “Executive branch employees are subject to restrictions on the gifts that they may accept from sources outside the Government. Unless an exception applies, executive branch employees may not accept gifts that are given because of their official positions or that come from certain interested sources.” The rationale for this is obvious (except to Trump). “Even if a gift is from a person or organization that has no official dealings with the employee’s agency, accepting a gift offered because of the employee’s official position may create an appearance of using public office for private gain,” the OGE guidelines explain. “Moreover, if an employee receives a payment from an outside source in some circumstances, the public may believe that the employee is serving two masters or is distracted by outside activities.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/04/26/ivanka-trumps-new-fund-raises-all-sorts-of-ethical-questions/?utm_term=.4e76aeb9d880


You are like a lost little child

FAKE NEWS: No, Ivanka's Not Receiving $100 Million From Saudi Arabia




Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:41:41 AM)

Oooo, my ass-licker, right on cue!

Always at my backside.

Yum yum.




mnottertail -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:44:06 AM)

lol, the first link the felchgobbling nutsuckers compound gimp brings up is Ivanka is getting $100 million from UAE and Saudi Arabia.

He can't even get his fake news propaganda mildly in shape.




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:47:34 AM)

Part of your being like a lost little child is the way you lack the maturity to admit when you made a mistake and instead lash out at your school master




Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:47:42 AM)

His link is a search page -- and it confirms rather than denies, including from the Wall St. Journal.

[image][IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/dq1vlv.png[/IMG][/image]

Further down, there's a conservative rag saying no (on a page of yes stories), but then names the same fund.

Very confused people.




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:49:01 AM)

In your pretend world, Ivanka Trump owns the World Bank?




mnottertail -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:49:10 AM)

In a cartoonish fantasy world of fake news, retarded nutsuckers are often confused when they get caught flat footed in reality without any putinjizz to gobble.




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:56:11 AM)

Here we have alt left radicals demonizing a young mother for helping to raise a hundred million dollars, for the World Bank Women's Entrepreneurial Fund... From Muslim leaders...

Because they care so much about women




Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:57:04 AM)

Well that's an interesting spin.

You get more zany each day.




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 5:59:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well that's an interesting spin.

You get more zany each day.


Spin? Read the headline you pointed out. It's not Ivanka's personal fund, it is a woman's fund that she likes - ran by the World Bank

I am only trying to reintroduce you to reality here (assuming you have ever been familiar with it in the first place)




Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 6:08:24 AM)

Sure. Here's the reality:

On same weekend as record-breaking arms deal, Saudis announced $100 million donation to Ivanka fund

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/21/1664578/-On-same-weekend-as-record-breaking-arms-deal-Saudis-announced-100-million-donation-to-Ivanka-fund?_=2017-05-21T06%3A47%3A07.354-07%3A00

Ivanka Trump’s new fund raises all sorts of ethical questions

If true, this is egregious and potentially illegal, according to multiple ethics and legal experts. “If the donation would be a quid pro quo bribe, then asking for it is certainly solicitation of a bribe, which is every bit as criminal as the bribe itself,” Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe tells me via email. “But I started that sentence with ‘if’ because I don’t have enough facts about the donation request to opine on the ultimate bribe issue.” Nevertheless, he says:

At the very least, though, a donation is a “present,” which – if made by a foreign government or an agent of such a government or an entity controlled by it – is expressly banned by the text of the Foreign Emoluments Clause with respect to anyone holding “any Office of Profit or Trust” under the United States. Whether it counts as an “emolument” becomes irrelevant if it’s a “present,” which any donation would at least be.

Tribe explains, “Even if the First Daughter and Assistant to the President somehow manages to create formal distance between herself and that version of the Clinton Foundation, which of course her father denounced endlessly during the campaign, the hypocrisy of the move is jaw-dropping.” He adds, “Such contributions would surely constitute a financial benefit to … her brand, and her family’s brand even if she is unable to spend a penny of the contributions themselves. As such, soliciting such contributions violates at least the spirit of the Foreign Emoluments Clause.”

Even more explicitly, the Office of Government Ethics rules, former Republican ethics counsel Richard Painter tells me, “prohibit use of official position to solicit for ANY charity or other private entity.” The OGE guidelines specifically state: “Executive branch employees are subject to restrictions on the gifts that they may accept from sources outside the Government. Unless an exception applies, executive branch employees may not accept gifts that are given because of their official positions or that come from certain interested sources.” The rationale for this is obvious (except to Trump). “Even if a gift is from a person or organization that has no official dealings with the employee’s agency, accepting a gift offered because of the employee’s official position may create an appearance of using public office for private gain,” the OGE guidelines explain. “Moreover, if an employee receives a payment from an outside source in some circumstances, the public may believe that the employee is serving two masters or is distracted by outside activities.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/04/26/ivanka-trumps-new-fund-raises-all-sorts-of-ethical-questions/?utm_term=.4e76aeb9d880




BoscoX -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 6:11:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Sure. Here's the reality:

On same weekend as record-breaking arms deal, Saudis announced $100 million donation to Ivanka fund

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/21/1664578/-On-same-weekend-as-record-breaking-arms-deal-Saudis-announced-100-million-donation-to-Ivanka-fund?_=2017-05-21T06%3A47%3A07.354-07%3A00

Ivanka Trump’s new fund raises all sorts of ethical questions

If true, this is egregious and potentially illegal, according to multiple ethics and legal experts. “If the donation would be a quid pro quo bribe, then asking for it is certainly solicitation of a bribe, which is every bit as criminal as the bribe itself,” Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe tells me via email. “But I started that sentence with ‘if’ because I don’t have enough facts about the donation request to opine on the ultimate bribe issue.” Nevertheless, he says:

At the very least, though, a donation is a “present,” which – if made by a foreign government or an agent of such a government or an entity controlled by it – is expressly banned by the text of the Foreign Emoluments Clause with respect to anyone holding “any Office of Profit or Trust” under the United States. Whether it counts as an “emolument” becomes irrelevant if it’s a “present,” which any donation would at least be.

Tribe explains, “Even if the First Daughter and Assistant to the President somehow manages to create formal distance between herself and that version of the Clinton Foundation, which of course her father denounced endlessly during the campaign, the hypocrisy of the move is jaw-dropping.” He adds, “Such contributions would surely constitute a financial benefit to … her brand, and her family’s brand even if she is unable to spend a penny of the contributions themselves. As such, soliciting such contributions violates at least the spirit of the Foreign Emoluments Clause.”

Even more explicitly, the Office of Government Ethics rules, former Republican ethics counsel Richard Painter tells me, “prohibit use of official position to solicit for ANY charity or other private entity.” The OGE guidelines specifically state: “Executive branch employees are subject to restrictions on the gifts that they may accept from sources outside the Government. Unless an exception applies, executive branch employees may not accept gifts that are given because of their official positions or that come from certain interested sources.” The rationale for this is obvious (except to Trump). “Even if a gift is from a person or organization that has no official dealings with the employee’s agency, accepting a gift offered because of the employee’s official position may create an appearance of using public office for private gain,” the OGE guidelines explain. “Moreover, if an employee receives a payment from an outside source in some circumstances, the public may believe that the employee is serving two masters or is distracted by outside activities.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/04/26/ivanka-trumps-new-fund-raises-all-sorts-of-ethical-questions/?utm_term=.4e76aeb9d880


No, that is fake news, I have proven that. And you have proven that you are an idiot. [:D]





Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 6:13:26 AM)

No, you've just proven that you don't know the difference between someone championing a fund and soliciting donations quid pro quo and it being a personal fund and doing the same.

Guess what? In this instance, both are on shaking ethical and perhaps legal ground.

READ shit you post. You might learn something.





Greta75 -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:09:42 AM)

FR

Seriously right you guys.

Ivanka got the oppressors of women to donate 100million into empowering women causes. The same cause that Chancellor Merkel ALSO asked Saudi to donate to.

I'm fucking happy these assholes are paying for anything that aid empowerment of women.

Good on Ivanka! If she was the one who kick started this cause and MADE Oppressors of women donate to it!! WOW! Kudos to her!

Ivanka is a modern example of how a woman can do anything. And ya all giving her shit because she is Trump's kid is ridiculous!

I bet if Hillary did this, nobody would blink an eye. And there will be praises that she made the oppressors of women cough up 100million dollar into female entrepreneurs causes.

Can you even imagine women in Saudi being entrepreneurs? Those Saudi males will choke and over their dead bodies.




Musicmystery -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:18:21 AM)

Actually, they were all over the Clinton Foundation donations. So, no.

It's a matter of US law and ethical practice, not a matter of making the donation. It's the apparently quid pro quo.

And, as you point out, the likelihood of Saudis choosing this as a charity on their own seems improbable.




Edwird -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:24:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Part of your being like a lost little child is the way you lack the maturity to admit when you made a mistake and instead lash out at your school master


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
It's not Ivanka's personal fund, it is a woman's fund that she likes - ran by the World Bank


-chuckles-

Yeah, okay.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:41:06 AM)

I dont see anything wrong with this - unless i am missing something? oo am I missing something?
I do get the Clinton foundation hypocrisy




Greta75 -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:41:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Actually, they were all over the Clinton Foundation donations. So, no.

That's because, Hillary claims she can't be bought. And Clinton Foundation is like something they make money out of. Didn't some investigation of that Foundation shows how little money donated actually reach their causes?

This donation that Saudi made to women causes, Ivanka is not profiting from it. It wasn't the Trump Foundation!





mnottertail -> RE: Same time as huge arms deal, Saudis give $100 million to Ivanka's fund (5/23/2017 8:43:16 AM)

Some nutsucker slobber blog has opined that with felchgobble and putinjizz swallowing, but the finances are public.




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