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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 8:28:04 AM   
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They do what they do now, for the same reasons they did what they did back then. Their book tells them to do these things, and young Muslim men really believe that if they die in "battle" (aka slaughtering innocents) against anyone who isn't them, infidels, they go to a paradise wherein they literally have eternal hardons and room after room in mansion after mansion filled with young virgin sex slaves


Okay, yeah, that is a fucked up belief. I am still unclear what your solution is.

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Muslims for a long time invaded and raided Europe, slaughtered millions and took countless slaves back, who were treated in extreme inhumane ways. Men were castrated in massive castritoriums, the survivors sold as slaves. Women and children sold in markets as sex slaves, on and on with the Muslim atrocities through time


I don't doubt what you say but let's keep the record straight. The activities of the Arab slavers on the east coast of Africa were used to hide the colossal holocaust imposed on the Congolese by the French, Germans, British (to a lesser extent) and mostly by King Leopold II of Belgium in the central and west side of the Congo. All in the name of stealing ivory, rubber, diamonds and some other important minerals. King Leo set up a private police force to rule the Congo. The members were issued bullets. To insure no bullet was wasted each was required to bring back the severed hand of his victim. Many other unspeakable atrocities were forced upon the Congolese. Estimates are that upwards of 12 million Congolese were killed between 1890 - 1910.
Unfortunately, the Arabs have no monopoly on Evil.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 8:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Troops were needed on the ground - not drone bombing. But that comes with a high cost - although it depends on how you define a high cost

All that happens now in eg Syria is everyone is bombing the rubble

I forget how many are dead and how many millions displaced.

Saudi and Iran i found a strange one - bottom dollar. How much big Corp can get out of them - but they get the fancy weapons, drones, thad or whatever it is called. So if they see conflict they can infact carry out a drone war - perhaps a remote war is a better word - but I just refer you back to Syria to see how that is going.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 10:02:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		The western culture of profits, keeps the whole world on fossil fuels...mostly oil. The west seeks hegemony through military intervention if necessary, to control or at least protect most sources and otherwise, the free-flow of oil.

The ME is of paramount importance because [it] has most of the world's oil.

The ME is going through a war between Sunni and Shiite factions of Islam and...against the west.

Very similar to the 1600's on, when the Christians fought wars between Protestants and Catholics. Should anyone need to remember...millions were killed over many years.

Whether people in the 21st century are willing to accept it or not, the so-called 'Enlightenment' was as much the result of the recognition of the reason of the mind and science born of secular humanism, that took the Christians out of wars, some will say still resulted in their form of terrorism until the 1930's.

The valid argument is that Islam with all of [its] chances over the centuries, will never recognize such secular humanism based on reason and science even though Islam once did and will battle the west and their fellow Muslims until one or the other or both are destroyed and we all know who and at great cost...will win that one.

All religions are waiting for Armageddon, or rapture or the 2nd coming, or some such stone age ridiculousness but the west (Christians) seems more willing to wait...Islam, not so much. Meanwhile, if there is oil, the west will be there in one way or another and it seems now...militarily.

So the nausea continues, from all directions and means as Kant informed, history is still and will always be...written in blood. Next question.

Hell, at one time 'terrorism' was the human sacrifice of teenage virgins. I mean what dirty old god didn't like teenage virgins ? And in some cases, 'God's' man on earth got to deflower her first. That's some nice 'rapture' if you can get it.

And let us not forget Freud who quite correctly informed humankind, as long as we persist in believing in some form of afterlife, we will...believe in gods. From that point on, all...bets are off.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 11:27:37 AM   
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The ME is of paramount importance because [it] has most of the world's oil.


You speak in debunked old wives' tales that only miseducated leftists take seriously. First, the ME controls their own reserves and it's a global market. American soldiers brought back NO oil (or even oil contracts) after liberating the Iraqi people from the horrors of the brutal Saddam Hussein regime

And there are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan

Those wars were not about oil, except for the fact that Saddam Hussein was determined to seize Kuwait's oil and other treasures

Second, world oil reserves are greatly disbursed



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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 11:49:18 AM   
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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:06:02 PM   
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Yeah, the W nutsuckers were browned off about that, werent they? They had set up for their buddies to rebuild the destruction and take the profits.



Halliburton did pretty damn well off it.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:06:13 PM   
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The western culture of profits, keeps the whole world on fossil fuels...mostly oil. The west seeks hegemony through military intervention if necessary, to control or at least protect most sources and otherwise, the free-flow of oil.


Yeah, well written. Whether for profit or not any manufacturing or transportation venture will depend on oil well beyond our lifetimes. So, let's not be hypocritical, hey? Our mission in the world is not to promote democracy as Woodrow Wilson would have had us believe, but to keep the oil flowing. Saudishire, as Wicked might call it has the world's second largest proven oil reserves with 268 Billion barrels. The leader surprisingly to me is Venezuela with 298 billion barrels

Evidently we have little choice but to play nice with the Saudis while they continue to pour money into insurgency groups in the ME and South Asia, and suffer the intolerable agony of Saudi men demolishing our buildings. Choices? None?

Syria does not make the list of even the top 20 oil reserve nations but they sit in a critical entrance for Russia to exert its influence in the region.

So, you might be right to argue the battle is primarily about oil. But the talk is about Islamic jihadism. Maybe war for oil is a harder sell than war against terror.

So, let me ask this question to anyone who is interested: Was the author correct in writing as he did in the article linked in the OP that our responses to tragedies like Manchester really are hypocritical. Those children died for oil. ???

Was the candidate Trump the only one straight enough to say we should have taken the oil out of Iraq? . . . even though that would have brought up a host of new problems and would have given the game away?





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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:12:00 PM   
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And there are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan


That's true. It puzzles me.

I linked to a list of oil reserves above. Here it is again.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html



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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:47:31 PM   
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And there are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan


That's true. It puzzles me.

I linked to a list of oil reserves above. Here it is again.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html



The place is utterly rotten with other valuable mineral deposits.
There is also the opium crop.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:47:31 PM   
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Yeah, the W nutsuckers were browned off about that, werent they? They had set up for their buddies to rebuild the destruction and take the profits.



Halliburton did pretty damn well off it.


Haliburton has contracts with or without war

To suggest that we went to war for a few dollars more is just ignorant. The worst kind of hate mongering stupidity

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:53:09 PM   
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Yeah, the W nutsuckers were browned off about that, werent they? They had set up for their buddies to rebuild the destruction and take the profits.



Halliburton did pretty damn well off it.


Haliburton has contracts with or without war

To suggest that we went to war for a few dollars more is just ignorant. The worst kind of hate mongering stupidity

OK, then, WHY did we invade Iraq the second time?
Was it to satisfy Dubya's friends in "da AWL BIDNESS" or was it because Dubya had a hardon because Hussein laughed at his Daddy?

As for going to war for a few dollars, that's EXACTLY why we have been going to war in various places since just after fucking Korea.
Even Eisenhower warned about it back in 61.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 12:53:22 PM   
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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 1:12:22 PM   
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List of countries by proven oil reserves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 1:28:39 PM   
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The towers - wernt most of them Saudi nationals - that's the biggest atrocity on American soil (aside of them killing each other with their guns) and they didnt care what nationals they kill, even their own.




the names were but no bodies were every found!

do you believe in ghosts?

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 1:44:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trump believes 3-5 million ghosts voted for Hillary. And I believe him as he is so utterly honest and tlls no lie - with lie after lie. And who amongst us can argue with that.

Were they all atomised too?
i believe a few were as they tried to fly from the 100th floors - no one ever google that just accept my word.

slipper notes:
1. The death toll of ~2200 was far too low for all let alone those two towers.,,debate still rages whether these two towers should have fallen with a kinetic weapon and kerosene.
2. There was something very off about that whole occurrence
a. Building 5 or was it 7

Or its as almost if they were funded by Saudis, trained by America to fly, perhaps not United. And the whole occurrence left to unfold..is how I can see that one

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 2:11:08 PM   
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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 2:16:48 PM   
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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 2:38:19 PM   
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Trump believes 3-5 million ghosts voted for Hillary. And I believe him as he is so utterly honest and tlls no lie - with lie after lie. And who amongst us can argue with that.

Were they all atomised too?
i believe a few were as they tried to fly from the 100th floors - no one ever google that just accept my word.

slipper notes:
1. The death toll of ~2200 was far too low for all let alone those two towers.,,debate still rages whether these two towers should have fallen with a kinetic weapon and kerosene.
2. There was something very off about that whole occurrence
a. Building 5 or was it 7

Or its as almost if they were funded by Saudis, trained by America to fly, perhaps not United. And the whole occurrence left to unfold..is how I can see that one


We shall all be ghosts one day (if you believe it) It was bldg 7. Don't forget it was early morning at the beginning of the workday. People were just arriving.

But, i digress. Back to the eternal war. Despite his crude and childish way of speaking with and disrespecting others on here, Bosco has a point. There is an element of Islamic Fundamentalism that cavorts yet in the sewer of ancient history who will always be fatally aggressive to the West. We are not likely to finish them off. Malthus leans against it. Their world is overcrowded and undernourished and so easily recruited to theocratic violence. As long as we need oil, and maybe even afterwards, we shall have to live with them as one lives with the presence of Ebola. Nobody ever promised you a rose garden in this life.

Afghanistan has its rich minerals and is caught between monster neighbors north and south. She is a buffer between the world's most populated countries. But, I don't see what's in it for us. Mr. Trump is repeating the mistake of recent history by rebuilding our troop presence there. And for what purpose? To destroy the Taliban? How absurd is that? Why waste the lives of good men and women to swat flies? Just crazy.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 2:50:23 PM   
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The ME is of paramount importance because [it] has most of the world's oil.


You speak in debunked old wives' tales that only miseducated leftists take seriously. First, the ME controls their own reserves and it's a global market. American soldiers brought back NO oil (or even oil contracts) after liberating the Iraqi people from the horrors of the brutal Saddam Hussein regime

And there are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan

Those wars were not about oil, except for the fact that Saddam Hussein was determined to seize Kuwait's oil and other treasures

Second, world oil reserves are greatly disbursed



Not even a nice try. First, control is irrelevant as long as it can make it to market and all of the ME wanted to market...is. Oil being a global market is irrelevant because ME oil all is usable sweet crude.

For example if you cared to understand which obviously...you do not, Venz. has the single largest oil reserves in the world but it is heavy crude which is more expensive to get out and are not that good at getting it out and to market which buys it last or cheaper. Trust me, if Venz oil was all that remained or even damn near, the US navy would be all over it like stink on shit.

FYI...those old so-called leftist (?) wives tales, are very current oil market facts.

As of 2014, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq and Iran (5 countries all on the Gulf of Hormuz) hold over half that's 1/2 of the world's proven oil reserves and all is sweet crude and with only 2% of it in production, supply...30% of the world's extracted crude oil. I.e., if the ME went into full production, oil would be $10-$20 a bbl. They could literally flood the market.

The other oil on your chart is either in sands or not being produced at nearly the numbers and is not dispositive on the world stage and in places where the west needs to use their military to protect.

PLUS, these 5 ME countries would need their own fucking color as that 267 Billion would be 800 Billion bbls just in the ME.

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RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? - 5/25/2017 2:59:34 PM   
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And there are no significant oil reserves in Afghanistan


That's true. It puzzles me.

I linked to a list of oil reserves above. Here it is again.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html



Afghanistan was a kick starter (ridiculously justified by the fearmongering of the Taliban which had nothing to do with 9/11) and otherwise for profits, pipelines and poppies. (heroin)

Then Iraq was not for Suddam as he was just Ok when doing US bidding or for nukes no matter what bullshit books were written about [his] bomb. It was to make sure that oil remained at western disposal...period. Oh yes...profits.

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