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Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:34:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the ignorance is astounding isnt it


Sure is. You think we need them ? All we need is to be nice with Russia and China, maybe India. The rest an go fuck themselves.

Or do you think we are dependent on Luxenborg and Lithiuania n shit ?

Half a trillion a fucking year for this shit and most major terror attacks get right by. It is like they are not even defending this country.

On other forums, Australians seem to know what's best for us, I say we cut them off first.

T^T

sorry your ignorance makes my teeth itch.




blnymph -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:53:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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Well - for example: no more Ramstein and Frankfurt airbases, no more Landstuhl hospital, no more US logistics in Europe - unless you pay!


Says who ? We got a base in Cuba.

T^T



Looking at a world map could be a successful first step.

Figuring out some distances a second.

And maybe a closer look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

In case you care about survival of injured Americans this could be of interest too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstuhl_Regional_Medical_Center

The existence of these institutions in other NATO countries are based on Nato treaties.

US leaving NATO means no US troops in other Nato countries.

In case you don't know: most of these US bases aren't there because the host countries need them but because US military needs them.







WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:56:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph
In case you don't know: most of these US bases aren't there because the host countries need them but because US military needs them.

Why on earth would he know that when he finds it a lot easier to pretend that the 'States is putting more into NATO than they're getting out of it and so are being ripped off?




blnymph -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 7:49:08 AM)

for those who can't find a world map when they need one

here is one

http://www.everysecondcounts.eu/




vincentML -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 8:21:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Bottom line we shouldn't have to pay anything.

T^T


I agree. I was just wondering, does NATO need the US in order to stay together? I mean, we could drop out of NATO and countries could just pay us directly if they wanted our protection.


The Mafia ran a protection racket. NATO was conceived for mutual defense. The one and only time the mutual defense clause was invoked (Title 5) was when we were attacked on 9/11. Then a number of partners responded alongside us in Afghanistan.




vincentML -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 8:27:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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Well - for example: no more Ramstein and Frankfurt airbases, no more Landstuhl hospital, no more US logistics in Europe - unless you pay!


Says who ? We got a base in Cuba.

T^T



Looking at a world map could be a successful first step.

Figuring out some distances a second.

And maybe a closer look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

In case you care about survival of injured Americans this could be of interest too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstuhl_Regional_Medical_Center

The existence of these institutions in other NATO countries are based on Nato treaties.

US leaving NATO means no US troops in other Nato countries.

In case you don't know: most of these US bases aren't there because the host countries need them but because US military needs them.

Thank you binymph. . . . an eyeopening piece of information.




vincentML -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 8:33:52 AM)

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Sure is. You think we need them ? All we need is to be nice with Russia and China, maybe India. The rest an go fuck themselves.

Which knee shall we bend?




blnymph -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 2:38:25 PM)

For anyone interested:

http://www.g7italy.it/en

see "Documents"




Edwird -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 3:33:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Those allies don't pay their fair share. That is one of the reasons they can have health care and a better infrastructure.

Fuck them. Trump is right.


How many European countries instigated and led foundless invasion of the Middle East; increased terrorism and refugee crises all over Europe and around the world via such cage-rattling thereby; irresponsibly allowed numerous mega-bank mergers and then even more irresponsibly deregulated all financial institutions and OTC trading whole-hog, politically and financially destabilizing the whole situation as exists today? And, icing on the cake, revitalized Russian imperialist aspirations in the ME and Balkans?

-This is just the bull in the china shop insisting that the owners 'pay their fair share' for breakage.-

And the oil war hog* US Sec. State Tillerson (Exxon) saying, in effect; "We just want all the profit, but the Europeans should increase our net earnings by paying more of the cost of our own actions." ("Otherwise, US tax payers might actually get pissed off at the oil companies, or something.")

I think somebody snuck something 'unfriendly' into your bong, there;

"Fuck them. Trump is right."

-Fuck the wrecking ball idiots.- Trump is wrong.

*War Pigs- Black Sabbath

"Oilmen gathered in their masses

Just like witches at Black Masses"





tamaka -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 3:56:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

for those who can't find a world map when they need one

here is one

http://www.everysecondcounts.eu/


Lol... that is truly funny. Thanks for the laugh.




Edwird -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

That is one of the reasons they can have health care and a better infrastructure.


If the US would just cut the shit with all this subsidizing of already profitable oil companies in 100 different ways and bailing out deregulated mega-banks, we could possibly have better healthcare and likely have a better educated work force than even the Germans or Swedes could imagine.

We've got the per capita GDP to do it, but not the will.

Just saying.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:22:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

That is one of the reasons they can have health care and a better infrastructure.


If the US would just cut the shit with all this subsidizing of already profitable oil companies in 100 different ways and bailing out deregulated mega-banks, we could possibly have better healthcare and likely have a better educated work force than even the Germans or Swedes could imagine.

We've got the per capita GDP to do it, but not the will.

Just saying.



Affordable energy benefits everyone, especially women, the poor, the elderly and minorities

Who leftists really seem to hate

(Hello Venezuela, I see you over there with your starving population. How do you like your socialists now)




mnottertail -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:27:12 PM)

venezuela is not socialist, it is a Nixonian nutsucker dictatorship

Energy is no more affordable for nutsuckers destroying the middle east.




Termyn8or -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 4:46:36 PM)

FR

You don't get it. I am for pulling our military bases out of most countries anyway, thus decreasing the military budget to free up that money for infrastructure.

And what we get out of NATO ? We send in thousands of troops and they send in what, 50 ?

Let them defend themselves. We also should get out of the UN. Fukum.

Ive thought of the ramifications. What, if we want to bomb Libya we can't fly over French airspace ? Well that already happened. Thought the were our allies.

This country does not belong in such alliances. They are a "foreign entanglement" the founders of this country warned against. We are not supposed to be globocops, ad what's more, all this shit is for money. Nobody is going to nuke anyone. They lied to you and formed sort of a mafia around you without you suspecting a thing.

People who want to rule the world learned over the years that one country or person cannot do it alone. These wars are fought for the control of natural resources, nothing more, nothing less.

Other [laces on the net where people are not ultrasickening liberals and brainwashed "one worlders" and WANT borders, DEFENDED BORDERS don't say anything about embarrassment. They al it "Telling off the freeloaders" and shit like that. You liberals think you are the majority but you are not. Even the election, sure Clinton got the popular vote by a few million but Trump won because he ran his campaign properly. But that doesn't explain all the congressional seats and the mayors, state legislatures and whatever else republican got ahead in. People are fed up with the status quo, and more importantly, of liberal ideals. And eventually when Trump's travel restrictions get to the supreme court he will prevail, he must, because it is within his authority to do so.

And all this about emails and Russia. If someone is going to vote for Clinton, no emails would change their mind. Their minds were made up years in advance. And still no proof. Some guy in the government says it is true, oh sure, hook, line and sinker, as long as it fits your agenda. And you don't know the law, a town in California voted for impeachment. They are so fucking stupid they must not even know what the word means, so don't even begin to tell me how stupid republicans are. To think that their vote makes any difference in a federal affair is total ignorance of the process.

Know what that means ? In civics class they learned tolerance of every fucking lowlife weirdo out there and probably discussed which parts of the Bill Of Rights is wrong with the teacher wanting to hear the second amendment, but they did not do their job of teaching the students how government in this country works.

I want my money back. I want back every dime that went from the feds to what they laughingly called "education". They didn't even teach that two plus two equals four, thus the support for the ACA.

I bet when Trump heard about that California town voting to impeach him he laughed because he knows it means nothing. Who is dumber now ?

But that's OK, liberal ways will cause the collapse, and then most of you will become conservatives, REAL conservatives, not the neo-conmen we got today.

T^T




vincentML -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 5:56:55 PM)

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You don't get it. I am for pulling our military bases out of most countries anyway, thus decreasing the military budget to free up that money for infrastructure.

Forward bases are part of our defense.

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And what we get out of NATO ? We send in thousands of troops and they send in what, 50 ?


The NATO common defense was only invoked once . . . . to support us in Afghanistan after 9/11


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This country does not belong in such alliances. They are a "foreign entanglement" the founders of this country warned against. We are not supposed to be globocops,


Different times . . . . different globe . . . no more war ships under sail.

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People who want to rule the world learned over the years that one country or person cannot do it alone. These wars are fought for the control of natural resources, nothing more, nothing less.


Natural resources are essential to running the war machines.

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Other [laces on the net where people are not ultrasickening liberals and brainwashed "one worlders" and WANT borders, DEFENDED BORDERS


You can't defend modern world borders by hiding behind fences. The army doesn't use forts anymore either.

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Some guy in the government says it is true, oh sure, hook, line and sinker, as long as it fits your agenda.


Corroborated by what? fifteen Intelligence Services?

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Know what that means ? In civics class they learned tolerance of every fucking lowlife weirdo out there


Civics isn't taught anymore.

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But that's OK, liberal ways will cause the collapse, and then most of you will become conservatives, REAL conservatives, not the neo-conmen we got today.


What are they? REAL Liberals REAL Conservatives???




Edwird -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 7:08:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
FR

You don't get it. I am for pulling our military bases out of most countries anyway, thus decreasing the military budget to free up that money for infrastructure.

And what we get out of NATO ? We send in thousands of troops and they send in what, 50 ?


No, the actual metric is: "We dropped ~5,000 bombs in the initial Iraq invasion, on grounds of "Because we can," then ground-trooped women and children trying to escape while defenseless on bridges, "Because we can"; "And you Europeans get a million refugees, salted and peppered with a goodly number of terrorists, in the bargain." "That's what we Americans refer to as great ROI (return on investment)."

Any Treaty of Versailles-like treatment of US actions since the ME invasion should have the US paying at least one $Billion a year to Europe for terrorist and refugee reparations, that as only 10% (inflation adjusted) of the idiotically expected payment as exacted from Germany in 1919.

And it should be paid directly from the cash deposits and whatever other assets of ExxonMobile and Chevron and defense contractors and the Carlyle Group and whatever other equity funds and hedge funds holding interests in these companies.

Not a penny from tax payers, in the US or anywhere else.

We already (tax revenue) subsidize the bejeezus out of these assholes as it is.









longwayhome -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 7:25:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the ignorance is astounding isnt it


Sure is. You think we need them ? All we need is to be nice with Russia and China, maybe India. The rest an go fuck themselves.

Or do you think we are dependent on Luxenborg and Lithiuania n shit ?

Half a trillion a fucking year for this shit and most major terror attacks get right by. It is like they are not even defending this country.

On other forums, Australians seem to know what's best for us, I say we cut them off first.

T^T


You really think that Russia and China are your friends?

Do you know anything about world history? The rivalries are not just as a result of outdated Cold War rhetoric and cannot be solved by being nice - they go much deeper. These countries do not share the same strategic interests as the US. Besides which we ever got anything out of Putin by being nice - he just takes that as permission to push forward with his view of Russia's self interest part of which is about creating and maintaining a buffer against Europe and the US.

I'm not so bothered that Trump is embarrassing and boorish. He can be a poor diplomat and shove as many world leaders as he wants in conferences. I do think that some countries should spend more on defence and 2% seems as good a figure as any. Everyone expects him to play to his domestic audience at every opportunity.

It is his lack of understanding about world politics and his flip-flopping in every direction on international affairs which is far more damaging.




Edwird -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 8:10:16 PM)


The premise underlying the whole operation here, though, is that overt and ostentatious flippancy 'shoves aside' any middling concerns of flip-flopping.





longwayhome -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/27/2017 9:30:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Bottom line we shouldn't have to pay anything.

T^T


I agree. I was just wondering, does NATO need the US in order to stay together? I mean, we could drop out of NATO and countries could just pay us directly if they wanted our protection.



It's not just the about the US kindly protecting poor little Europe.

It's about mutual dependency not just defending Europe. Europe has always been aware that any major ground war will be fought on European soil not in the US. Europe is therefore a buffer for the US against the Middle East, Russia and most of the rest of the world. If we want to forget about human niceties and talk global Realpolitik, the US is involved with western Europe to avoid the whole of Europe becoming part of the Russian sphere of influence, not because the US is providing Europe with the gift protection.

European countries freely share intelligence with the US, logistically support active operations, provide healthcare and house American weapons systems free of charge. In terms of front-line resources in conflicts some European countries do contribute more than others. It depends on the conflict. The UK and Italy provided the entire low level air attack capacity in the most recent Gulf War thus suffering losses of planes and airmen not experienced by the US airforce which carried out high level bombing. In the case of the former Yugoslavia, it was entirely European forces, with no US input.

No-one is disputing that the US pays more or that everyone else shouldn't make a minimum level of contribution, but the existence of NATO is far from only being in Europe's best interests.




blnymph -> RE: Trump's ignorance embarrasses the US and offends its allies (5/28/2017 1:13:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Those allies don't pay their fair share. That is one of the reasons they can have health care and a better infrastructure.

Fuck them. Trump is right.

T^T


just for you:

You got the most expensive and least effective "health care" of all developed countries because you want it that way: designed to care for insurances companies

Germany (for one country) introduced its health care system in the 1880s (by conservatives, as an anti-socialist measure btw)

late 19th century ... no Nato, and no Trump, in sight

your politicians still can't do it in the early 21st ...

don't blame other countries for the inabilities of your politicians

yes you pay - but not for other countries; you pay for the politicians' shows you seem to love so much




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