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aliljaded1 -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 7:07:55 AM)

ive met women that were "big" and had more confidence then >>>>>any<<<<<skinnny women ive known . i happen to be one of them ,and i have no patience for people who bash on appearence alone . ive met men who appear to be handsome and still make my skin crawl. just my 2 cents




dixiedumpling -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 7:26:22 AM)

SentForu,

I don't have a pic posted, but do have one I share occasionally. No one has ever told me in reply that I was too fat. Most responses have been along the line of, "I'd do you." (this strikes me as funny, not offensive) I'm not thin, but not Santa sized either. Mistress DREAD has posted a picture of herself on the boards and (IMO) is quite beautiful. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

Lately I've seen a good many rants about people not answering email or people lying in their profiles about what they want or will accept and even one about the same profile popping up every time they logged on and how the picture bothered them. LOL Putting a photo of yourself is a leap of faith. Assuming you make a good picture, they see what you look like before they know squat about you. I can't imagine having the gall to email someone and complain about how they look BEFORE getting to know them. Even with long time friends, I'd hesitate to make a comment about their weight. I have my own struggles with my weight (and my hair and my complexion and my attitude). No one died and left me the authority to go around improving everyone else.

*Note to Suleiman.. A while ago I read an article in Consumers' Report about weight loss. They said that losing weight was as big a health risk as being overweight. (as someone who has lost a significant amount of weight 3 times in my life, this troubles me) They noted that some people died after losing a lot of weight. They suggested that if one was overweight, they should not yo-yo, but to exercise and be fit at whatever weight they were.




Leonidas -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 9:24:58 AM)

FelinePersuasion Said:

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And E string If all you can see is my my god she's fat NEXT, like most guys here. you'll be passing up who could very well be exactly what you need weight issues aside. Apearance is NEVER an indication about how good a sub she could be for you. What she can do and can offer is on the inside NOT in the aperance.


A certain amount of what men find asthetically pleasing in the female form is cultual bias, but more and more, behavioral scientists are coming to understand that to a certain degree the preference for a woman that appears to be fit and nubile is "hard-wired" in men, and as much to do with how we evolved as a species as the dictates of Vogue magazine. I'm going to have to differ with you here, Feline. If the way the woman looks (or could look with proper training) is not sexually interesting to EString, she's probably not the right sub for him, all her other attributes aside. Trying to shame EString into going along with that notion is just counterproductive. If he did go along, he'd just end up with a sub with which he was less than satisfied, and the sub would end up in the humilliating position of watching his eyes wander whenever a woman he did find physicallly interesting came into view.

Suleiman Said:

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That, actually, is my point exactly. It IS a form of extreme body mod, but more often than not the twits who make these demands(not all, but far FAR too many) do not take that into consideration. There are serious health and lifestyle factors involved in losing (and not regaining) even a few pounds, much less the several inches that would normally garner a comment like this.


I couldn't agree with you more. I have never, ever, put a slave on a diet. I change how they eat, and live. I just got back from supervising my slave in her morning physical training. I'll be supervising her again when she does her cardio tonight. She eats 5 times a day, in small portions only whole, unprocessed foods that are exactly balanced for ratios of protein/fat/carbs. She drinks lots of water, and no sugary drinks. She has the occasional treat, but only when she eats it from my hand. This isn't a diet. It's how she will be living from now on. It's what is natural for human beings, and so she'll start looking like a natural human being before long, rather than someone who is being feed-lotted by the processed food industry.

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*Note to Suleiman.. A while ago I read an article in Consumers' Report about weight loss. They said that losing weight was as big a health risk as being overweight. (as someone who has lost a significant amount of weight 3 times in my life, this troubles me) They noted that some people died after losing a lot of weight. They suggested that if one was overweight, they should not yo-yo, but to exercise and be fit at whatever weight they were.


Losing weight (if you are carrying too much) is never unhealthy. It's the things that people do to lose weight (usually in the attempt at a "quick fix") that are unhealthy. The lose/gain cycle that you have been through is especially hard on the body. If you lose by starving yourself, you'll lose muscle mass (and possibly even organ tissue) along with the fat. If you then gain weight again without exercising, do you think the muscle comes back? Nope. Everytime you gain/lose your ratio of fat to lean tips a little more toward fat.

I'm sorry, but "exercise and be fit at whatever weight you are" is just an appologist rationalization for getting a little more exercise, but still eating poorly. If you exercise and eat properly (forever, not just for a few weeks), your body will gradually reach an optimal composition (fat/muscle ratio) based on your genetics. Some women are genetically disposed to be heavy, but for the vast majority of north american women, that's not the case. The "horomone imbalances" that many blame weight issues upon aren't genetically predetermined, they're the result of a sedintary life and a poor diet. On the subject, something that you won't find in a "get fit" book for women, but which is very relevant, are your hormone levels. Regular, vigorous sexual use, and regular orgasm (given to you by a man, self-diddling doesn't count) will do more to balance you than what the pharmacutical giants are pushing this week. Give it a try, you may prefer it.




siamsa24 -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 9:36:25 AM)

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I can't imagine having the gall to email someone and complain about how they look BEFORE getting to know them.


I get this all the time. Usually it sounds something like "i see ur ugly face every time i sign on, either take down the pic or get surgury"
Then when I go and look at their profile they either don't have a pic or they are ugly as sin.




SentForu -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 1:16:59 PM)

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I get this all the time. Usually it sounds something like "i see ur ugly face every time i sign on, either take down the pic or get surgury"
Then when I go and look at their profile they either don't have a pic or they are ugly as sin.


I just viewed your profile. You're not ugly at all, and don't let them convince you otherwise. Who are they to tell you, or anyone else, to take your pic down? You placed it there, because you wanted it there. I find it funny, if we don't put up pics, we get complaints. If we do, we still get complaints. You can't please everyone all of the time. As long as you feel comfortable with yourself, what they say doesn't matter. Guess I should take my own advice huh. It does make you feel bad though. I've not gotten very many messages like that. But when I do, it sets off a wild fire nearly...lol. Usually, I'm an easy going person. However, with certain things, I am hot headed.




Quivver -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 2:55:57 PM)

I guess the *real* issue here is the reply was Rude. We've all got an idea of what we find attractive. I personally would never find myself attracted to one that didnt meet my eye's approval, but I wouldnt EVER be so rude to reply in that manner. Yes I'd lie. One of those little white lie's to keep from hurting another. Gee, maybe thats why I feel I'm good Sub material. [8|]




Hislavegurl -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 3:11:29 PM)

Leonidas:

Very nicely said. i have to agree that physical attraction does play some role in all relationships. BDSM or not. However....that does not dismiss the obvious...a rude man is like the trash...it needs to be put to the curb!

i do agree with your comments that what an owned slave does from the time she opens her eyes to the time she closes them is ordained by her Master.

Well that's my 3 1/2 cents...thanks for listening.

Happy Holidays A/all,

Hislavegurl [&:]




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 3:35:46 PM)

Dear Myra and Estring....
Though rare, I disagree with Estring on this one (WELL DON'T DISAGREE AS MUCH) as he seems understanding of the responder, and simply finds him tactless, and I think it's worse... I don't think it's a problem that any man/woman should decide what he/she finds attractive (looks, height, money, butt size, penis size, chest size, etc); I do have a problem in ballbusters who try to undermine one's self esteem by trying to find them and preying on them (and BTW I couldn't agree more with Suleiman on his response).
If someone writes to you, or replies to you, and you don't find them hot, you do not have the right to tear them down... A simple, am not attracted, or "you don't have that Je ne sais quoi I seek" would suffice.
Insensitive/insecure assholes who try to project their insecurities (or sometimes small penis problem) on women get on my nerves, so I don't blame you for stewing, but let it go; losers like that live to suck out your positive energy and self image. I don't think that anyone's weight should be commented on unless you are carrying/feeding/clothing him/her, OR he/she expresses a desire in being smaller, and needs your help.
For me this problem has presented itself when I've turned down someone, they become terribly insensed, and all of a sudden my weight becomes a problem, lol. Have a good day.
Hugs, Ms M




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 3:49:49 PM)

Leonidas,
again, nothing wrong with wanting that..... when you chat/talk to her, say I want a sub who's intake/weight I control, because I want this size/body type; than if she's anything like me, will say, thanks, but no thanks.
It's perfectly fine if that is what the lady wants (and a lot of people do want to be dieting, etc), but it is rude/ass like to send someone a note saying "you suck because you're imperfect" somehow arrogantly stating that you (not you) are perfect, which is absolute BS, no one is.
To me it's fairly simple, if you see something you dislike looking at, turn away or look elsewhere, no need to try and crush spirits, which is what the respoder was trying to do.
Ms M




ModeratorThree -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 4:23:56 PM)

For those of you that have said something about Estring's reply, maybe you should re read it. He never said anything negative, and in fact echoed the same sentiments many here have.

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As men are more visual and focused on looks, I don't see a problem with placing some importance on appearance. The problem is if that is the most important part. And it is just rude the way this Dom answered you. There is such a thing as discretion. He doesn't seem to have any.



Mod3




Leonidas -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 4:44:59 PM)

Yes, I think I said a couple of times that the note to her was uncalled for. As far as the rest goes, a woman considering begging for my collar knows full well that there isn't anything about her that would be excluded from my control once she submits, what she eats and what exercise she does included. I'm not saying that's the "true" way, it's just my way.

As for "crushing spirits", I've argued on these boards before that I believe that a good slave owner will seek, always, to be a good steward of his property, including building self-esteem. If you have to tear someone else down to quiet whatever demons you harbor, you need to work on yourself a bit before even thinking about seeking out a sub or slave. All the man who instigated this thread did is demonstrate that he has some growing up to do, and doesn't belong here quite yet.




siamsa24 -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/9/2004 6:06:03 PM)

Awww, thanks. I don't let it get to me. I think that I am beautiful and that's all that matters [:D]




srahfox -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/10/2004 8:08:16 AM)

I think everyone here is mostly saying the samething. Yes, go ahead, have certain standards that you would like to have. Then go look for those standards. Why bother with someone who doesn't have them? makes no sense. I would be rather afronted by someone who emailed me saying I needed to change something to make me acceptable to them. Excuse me? The only person who can choose what I should look like is my Master. And I thank the powers that be that he likes ,my tattoos and piercings. I would hate to be denied them. I believe was may be coming to a point where he does choose what I do and do not eat. However that's between up. When I'm looking at profiles I do look at what that person looks like, but I keep in mind that if I went ONLY on the outside, I wouldn't nessassarily be with my Master. I think he looks pretty good, but he's not exactly what I would normally say I wanted. But I would NEVER give him up for that. And really, I don't care. He has everything else i want.




srahfox -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/10/2004 8:19:33 AM)

I do have to say something about the hormone imbalances. I have PCOS. I didn't get it from being sedintary. However it is a hormone problem. I've had it as long as I have had my Monthy Visitor. I got that when I was ten, I was more active then that I have ever been. Do I blame all of my wieght on that. Certainly not. I have been a big girl most of my life. I know I will never be tiny. (I have a 40 inch ribcage even when I am small) However the PCOS does make it incredably hard to lose the wieght. It's a catch 22. If I lost it, my hormones would be better, but unless my hormones are better, it's REALLY hard to lose the wieght. I don't use it as a crutch, but it is, at least in part, a reason for why I am the way I am.




Estring -> RE: Just Stewing... (12/10/2004 9:18:31 AM)

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And E string If all you can see is my my god she's fat NEXT, like most guys here.


Feline, did you actually read my post before answering? How did you come to this conclusion about me?
As I recall, I said that SOME amount of visual attractiveness should be there, but if it becomes the paramount criteria, then it is wrong. Your reading comprehension needs work.




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Just Stewing... (4/8/2005 10:30:41 PM)

I have not answered in a long time. I was not aware the post had continued on. I would actually like someone to have compassion and tact enough to help me look the way I want to. But I have to be commited to them and That's the diffrence between first idiot and the second option.

I do get kicks out of guys who want a girl so so in such a shape who're out of shape themself tho. It's a double edge sword.


E String, yeah some attractiveness has to be there. It's just human nature, I probably read it wrong or saw it wrong.




cellogrrlMK -> RE: Just Stewing... (4/8/2005 11:02:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

I bet cha
I can find wayyyyyy more folks whom
get off on being humiliated in this manner
then those whom do not like it..... wanna
bet Me ??



I would wager that the majority of us who need to or want to lose some weight do NOT like to be humilated "in this manner". Our body image, especially for some of us who have grown up heavy in a thin-oriented world is a very closely held thing, whether positive or negative... usually more negative than positive. I can't imagine anyone wanting to be humiliated because of their weight, unless they really hate themselves.

As someone who was constantly picked on for being the "fat one" in school, if I had received an email telling me to diet, especially out of the blue, I'd tell the jerk to go fuck himself and then block him! lol

Of course I'm not speaking for everyone, but I have a feeling that many others probably feel the same way.

cello




SirKenin -> RE: Just Stewing... (4/8/2005 11:10:54 PM)

If the person's weight bothers you, they are the wrong person for you.

It is the same for any relationship really. You have to accept them for the way that they are. A sure fire way to meet with disaster is to only want to be with them for who you want them to be.

I think that is a problem a lot of Dom/me's have, personally. They set their sights on who They think this person who should become and attach themselves to this phantom figure. The problem is, when the person does not become this ideal figure the relationship disintegrates. Abuse starts, the couple grows apart and ultimately the relationship fails.

I believe it is a Dom/me's responsibility to help the submissive capitalize on their strengths, to help them overcome their weaknesses and to help them blossom like a flower. To achieve new heights that they never felt possible. If that means the sub is willing to give you control over a weight problem, fine. If it does not, live with it. Do not be a rude jerk and say "Hai, you are cute but I think you could use a diet before I will consider you". Do not do them any favors. You are a loser. Get a life and move on.

Trying to change the person without consent is only going to meet with relationship failure when the expectations are not met. Either like who the person is from the onset and consider any progress as gravy and a successful training, or do not waste either that person's time or Yours.




lil1v -> RE: Just Stewing... (4/9/2005 1:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: srahfox

I do have to say something about the hormone imbalances. I have PCOS.

I have been a big girl most of my life. I know I will never be tiny. (I have a 40 inch ribcage even when I am small) However the PCOS does make it incredably hard to lose the wieght. It's a catch 22. If I lost it, my hormones would be better, but unless my hormones are better, it's REALLY hard to lose the wieght. I don't use it as a crutch, but it is, at least in part, a reason for why I am the way I am.


I have insulin resistance which tends to go hand in hand with PCOS. So i know first hand how hard it is to lose weight. With my family this is genetic, not a lazy issue.

I also have been a BIG girl my whole life. I am literally big boned. My hands are too large for most women's gloves, and I wear large sized rings. I have always been this way. In HS, I was active in sports. I had a flat stomach and still wore a size 16. At 180 lbs, (last time I was at that weight anyway) you can see my ribs and I look decent in a bikini.

Its taken me many years to get past the point of getting upset when someone doesn't find me attractive because of my weight. But then, if they aren't attracted to me do I really want them anyway? No. I won't fight to stay where I'm not wanted.

I've found I have my own pickiness when it comes to sexual attraction. Most of which are just mild preferances like: I prefer dark haired men. I like semi-hairy chests. I admire a semi-fit body. I like the clean cut look. I prefer them to be attractive, not ugly or super hot (super hot dudes have a really bad track record with me) And then there are the non-negotiable. He must be taller than me (visually taller, if i'm standing next to him and I can see over his head, its a no go). He must have similar religious beliefs.

I could go on and on .. but I think you all get the point. We each have our areas of petty or shallowness. Albeit some of us have more pronounced lists than others, but we all have a list even if its just in our heads.

I just wish more people could accept other people as different and move on to finding what it is that will make them happy.

As far as the Dom-forced dieting... I'm pretty much an accept me physically as I am type of person. If I'm afraid that my Dom is going to leave me if I put on a few pounds, I'm going to live in terror the entire relationship. I am on a diet/lifestyle change that my Doctor required to deal with my insulin resistance and holding me to that wouldn't be an issue. Odd thing I found is that most overweight women know more about diet than anyone else on the planet. We've been there done that. Love us.. or move on.

oh.. also for anyone with insulin resistance or PCOS, my Doc recommended the South Beach diet which I've been on since Jan and I've lost 20 lbs (without an ounce of exercise mind you). So it works.. or is working for me. Now just to get my timid large butt to the gym.




Overlord218 -> RE: Just Stewing... (4/9/2005 2:44:01 AM)

I'm obviously overstating a much repeated response here. I couldn't care less if a girl is 18 or 55, 40 kgs or 140 kgs. It's what's between her ears that counts. Mindset is the platform. If she has that, the rest will follow naturally.





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