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Musicmystery -> RE: California senate passes single payer health care (6/25/2017 9:24:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://fortune.com/2017/06/02/healthcare-california-single-payer/

One good thing on the list of absolutely unforgivably horrible things about the Trump victory is that it mobilizes the left-leaning states to take matters into their own hands.
California is taking steps to catch up to the rest of the developed world!


"Woefully incomplete" universal health bill dead for the year in California

Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon put the brakes on a sweeping plan to overhaul the health care market in California Friday, calling the bill “woefully incomplete.”

Rendon announced plans to park the bill to create a government-run universal health care system in Assembly Rules Committee “until further notice” and give senators time to fill in holes that the bill does not currently address.

“Even senators who voted for Senate Bill 562 noted there are potentially fatal flaws in the bill, including the fact it does not address many serious issues, such as financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation,” Rendon said.

Democratic Sens. Ricardo Lara and Toni Atkins, who introduced the proposal, acknowledged the bill was dead for the year. Lara and Atkins had described the bill as a work in progress when it passed the Senate earlier this month without a funding plan. A legislative analysis pegged the cost at $400 billion.
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Several of us, when the proposal was first passed, indicated curiosity about how they were going to pay for it.

I guess now we know -- they didn't know either.




Nnanji -> RE: California senate passes single payer health care (6/25/2017 9:34:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://fortune.com/2017/06/02/healthcare-california-single-payer/

One good thing on the list of absolutely unforgivably horrible things about the Trump victory is that it mobilizes the left-leaning states to take matters into their own hands.
California is taking steps to catch up to the rest of the developed world!


"Woefully incomplete" universal health bill dead for the year in California

Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon put the brakes on a sweeping plan to overhaul the health care market in California Friday, calling the bill “woefully incomplete.”

Rendon announced plans to park the bill to create a government-run universal health care system in Assembly Rules Committee “until further notice” and give senators time to fill in holes that the bill does not currently address.

“Even senators who voted for Senate Bill 562 noted there are potentially fatal flaws in the bill, including the fact it does not address many serious issues, such as financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation,” Rendon said.

Democratic Sens. Ricardo Lara and Toni Atkins, who introduced the proposal, acknowledged the bill was dead for the year. Lara and Atkins had described the bill as a work in progress when it passed the Senate earlier this month without a funding plan. A legislative analysis pegged the cost at $400 billion.
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Several of us, when the proposal was first passed, indicated curiosity about how they were going to pay for it.

I guess now we know -- they didn't know either.

When you say several of us, I wonder who you mean. I see Greta, RO, and Term questioned it. I don't see you or any other leftie. Perhaps you'll show me the post where you were included to make "us".




Musicmystery -> RE: California senate passes single payer health care (6/25/2017 9:41:07 AM)

Well, you can read as well as the rest of us.

Go back, find the thread, see for yourself. Enjoy.

Speaking for myself, I can assure you that was my initial reaction (especially given California's populist tendency to create structural deficit by passing services but refusing tax or spending increases) and has remained so.

I was hoping they had some experiment to run, perhaps even successfully. But looks like they had good intent, tried to find funding, and at least for now, we're able to do so.




BoscoX -> RE: California senate passes single payer health care (6/25/2017 10:26:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well, you can read as well as the rest of us.

Go back, find the thread, see for yourself. Enjoy.

Speaking for myself, I can assure you that was my initial reaction (especially given California's populist tendency to create structural deficit by passing services but refusing tax or spending increases) and has remained so.

I was hoping they had some experiment to run, perhaps even successfully. But looks like they had good intent, tried to find funding, and at least for now, we're able to do so.


And really, good intent is all that matters. Participation trophies for everyone




Musicmystery -> RE: California senate passes single payer health care (6/25/2017 10:41:56 AM)

If that's your take on it, enjoy. Nothing happens until people first consider it and ask "Well, how could we make that happen?"

It's always the details, and here we are -- the details were clearly problematic.

The rest of the civilized world managed. Americans aren't THAT stupid.





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