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Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 9:05:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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It's obviously not common sense because you think it works.
History proves that it fails miserably.

As for your stupid-assed obsession with Venezuela, if you would actually take time to think, it is also proof that trickle down economics fails miserably.
A few uber wealthy and everyone else can't even find food. Thanks for proving my point.[:D]


Wow... You really think that the situation Venezuela is in, is due to a capitalist government allowing people keep their own money circulating in the economy...

You really believe that

Many of you on the left are insane, seriously. I am thinking that is a strong possibility that most of you are.

whats amusing is that you believe venezuela is the same as every socialist country.
sad but amusing


Venezuela, where you cannot get diapers or toilet paper and the people are literally starving, is Crazy Uncle Bernie's poster child, for how the United States should be run [/link]


Sandars wrote his essay talking about it being a "poster child" (as you put it) in 2011 while Chavez was president of Venezuela. Chavez died in 2013. That is when Maduro came into office. It was due to Maduro's policies that the Venezuela economy started spiraling out of control. The Venezuela that Sanders mentioned in his essay is not the same Venezuela that appeared after Maduro.

Of course you ALWAYS fail to mention that.




Bullshit [sm=happy-smiley58.gif]

What desperation....

Today's Venezuela (and Maduro) are Chaves' legacy

Just like ISIS and skyrocketing insurance costs ares Obama's legacy

Just like Bush is Clinton's legacy, Obama is Bush's legacy, and Trump is Obama's legacy.

Exactly as ridiculous as that.

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BoscoX -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 9:08:25 AM)


Reality, meet moronic alt left trolls in denial. Moronic alt left trolls in denial, meet reality.





mnottertail -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 9:11:20 AM)


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Reality, meet moronic alt left trolls in denial. Moronic alt left trolls in denial, meet reality.



what cartoons are you talking to? You are the moron in this vignette. But then you always are.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 9:15:17 AM)

Sure, glad to. I share it with you, from your link.

Rule by decree

Beginning six months after being elected, Maduro has ruled by decree for the majority of his presidency: from 19 November 2013 to 19 November 2014,[4] 15 March 2015 to 31 December 2015, 15 January 2016 to present.[57]

Despite the increasingly difficult crises facing Venezuela such as a faltering economy and high crime rate, Maduro placed attention on his "hold on power by closing off the legal channels through which the opposition can act".[59]

According to Professor Ramón Piñango, a sociologist from the Venezuelan University of IESA, "Maduro has a very strong ideological orientation, close to the Communist ideology. Contrary to Diosdado, he is not very pragmatic."[21]

Maduro has been criticized for only concentrating on public opinion instead of tending to the practical issues economists have warned the Venezuelan government about or creating any ideas to improve the economic situation in Venezuela such as the "economic war".[78][79]

Not exactly a model of Democratic Socialism.

Shall we look at Denmark now?

This thoroughly modern market economy features high-tech agriculture, up-to-date small-scale and corporate industry, extensive government welfare measures, comfortable living standards, and high dependence on foreign trade.[citation needed] Denmark is a net exporter of food.[citation needed] The center-left coalition government (1993–2001) concentrated on reducing the unemployment rate and turning the budget deficit into a surplus, as well as following the previous government's policies of maintaining low inflation and a current account surplus.[citation needed] The coalition also committed itself to maintaining a stable currency.[citation needed] The coalition lowered marginal income tax rates while maintaining overall tax revenues; boosted industrial competitiveness through labor market and tax reforms, increased research and development funds.




tamaka -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:19:21 AM)

How big is Denmark?




mnottertail -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:27:15 AM)

how big is scandinavia? how big is the US, how big is antartica, what does big have to do with anything? Scalar functions are scalar, big only counts at infinity.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:27:33 AM)

Why the determination to insist Venezuela is the prime representative of Democratic Socialism, when it's actually a Socialist/Communist country?

In that context, what difference does the size of an actual Democratic Socialist country matter?

Why the urge to deny success? What the drive to embrace failure instead?




BoscoX -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:34:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Why the determination to insist Venezuela is the prime representative of Democratic Socialism, when it's actually a Socialist/Communist country?

In that context, what difference does the size of an actual Democratic Socialist country matter?

Why the urge to deny success? What the drive to embrace failure instead?


Again, idiot - for the second time: Because it is literally Crazy Uncle Bernie's poster child, for how America should be




BoscoX -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:35:35 AM)


Yep, Maduro carries on the Chavez / Sanders revolution, and the little people? They starve.




tamaka -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:39:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Why the determination to insist Venezuela is the prime representative of Democratic Socialism, when it's actually a Socialist/Communist country?

In that context, what difference does the size of an actual Democratic Socialist country matter?

Why the urge to deny success? What the drive to embrace failure instead?


No urge or drive either way. Just having an unemotional discussion from this end.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:42:24 AM)

And I'm watching a pair of clowns trying to pretend there's no problem with raiding $2.5 trillion from the poor to give to the top 1% -- including Trump and his cronies -- by whining about socialist/communist Venezuela instead.




mnottertail -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:43:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Why the determination to insist Venezuela is the prime representative of Democratic Socialism, when it's actually a Socialist/Communist country?

In that context, what difference does the size of an actual Democratic Socialist country matter?

Why the urge to deny success? What the drive to embrace failure instead?


Again, idiot - for the second time: Because it is literally Crazy Uncle Bernie's poster child, for how America should be


No, no more than you are the party of Lincoln or hold to his principles. What was being talked about was not now.

And I will disagree with MM. Its a dictatorship.





BoscoX -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:49:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003

Sandars wrote his essay talking about it being a "poster child" (as you put it) in 2011


Prior to that Hugo Chavez was a raging communist radical, exactly like Maduro who Chavez groomed as his successor

(No matter how many times leftists try to rewrite history, the Internet keeps proving they are liars )




BoscoX -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:51:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And I'm watching a pair of clowns trying to pretend there's no problem with raiding $2.5 trillion from the poor to give to the top 1% -- including Trump and his cronies -- by whining about socialist/communist Venezuela instead.


Another of your laughable false narratives, already thoroughly debunked above [:D]




tamaka -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:54:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And I'm watching a pair of clowns trying to pretend there's no problem with raiding $2.5 trillion from the poor to give to the top 1% -- including Trump and his cronies -- by whining about socialist/communist Venezuela instead.


I see. I don't know who the pair is. I only see you dealing with Bosco in that regard.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 10:58:21 AM)

If you're so upset about Venezuela, and you don't care about $2.5 trillion, you might note what Trump's budget does:

Trump may weaken OAS — and efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela


Just when the Washington-based Organization of American States (OAS) is beginning to champion regional efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela, the Trump administration is proposing drastic U.S. budget cuts for international organizations that could paralyze the institution.

President Donald Trump is asking Congress to cut 50 percent of U.S. funding for the State Department's Bureau of International Organization Affairs, which pays U.S. dues to the United Nations, the OAS and other international and regional groups, according to news reports disclosed by Foreign Policy magazine.

The cuts would be part of a 37-percent slashing of the State Department budget. At the same time, the Trump administration is asking Congress for a $54 billion increase in military spending, U.S. officials say.

Setting aside the fact that diplomacy and “soft power” are much cheaper and effective than military spending, Trump's proposed cuts in funding for international organizations could hardly come at a worse time for Latin America.

After decades of irrelevance under previous leaderships, the 34-country OAS has become the region's best option to restore democracy in Venezuela.

OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro has taken the lead in asking Latin American countries to apply the organization's Democratic Charter against Venezuela's authoritarian regime, which would bring about collective regional pressure for free elections in that country.

Earlier this week, Almagro asked OAS member countries to give the Venezuelan regime a 30-day ultimatum to convene general elections and free political prisoners. If Venezuela does not comply, OAS member countries should suspend Venezuela from the organization, Almagro said.

Regional diplomatic sanctions are the most effective way to pressure Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, because — unlike public statements from Washington, which he can quickly dismiss as “imperialist” aggression — they would embarrass and delegitimize the Venezuelan ruler in the eyes of his own people, diplomats say.

In recent years, regional diplomatic sanctions brought about the downfall of authoritarian governments and free elections in Peru and Honduras.

But the OAS is already operating on a shoestring budget after a 12-percent cut last year. The organization would be crippled if forced to undergo a new round of budget cuts, OAS officials told me this week.

The United States contributes $50 million a year to the OAS budget, followed by Brazil with nearly $11 million and Canada with $9 million. But the U.S. annual dues to the OAS are a drop in the bucket when compared with the nearly $3 billion in U.S. annual contributions to United Nations peacekeeping forces and U.N. agencies.

With its limited budget, the OAS regularly monitors murky elections. It has recently observed elections in Haiti, and will monitor and do a count in Ecuador's highly-contested April 2 runoff election.

In addition, the OAS coordinates regional anti-drug and anti-corruption efforts, and its Human Rights Commission looks into abuses.

“It would be a terrible mistake to cut funding for the OAS,” says Roger Noriega, a conservative who led the State Department's Western Hemisphere affairs office under the George W. Bush administration. “The United States would be decimating the one organization that can probably help Venezuela and many other countries.”

My opinion: Granted, the OAS has its own problems and contradictions. I find it hard to understand, for instance, why Almagro seeks to suspend Venezuela from the organization while at the same time calling for the readmission of Cuba, a dictatorship that has not allowed free elections or independent political parties in nearly six decades.

But, beyond its contradictions, the OAS under Almagro has become a much needed player in regional affairs. It is championing the cause of democracy and human rights in Venezuela and several other countries.

We all know that Trump doesn't care much about Latin America — his State Department has not yet appointed an official in charge of regional affairs, and most of Trump's statements about the region have been limited to lashing out against Mexico and Mexicans — but defunding the OAS would be a big mistake. Instead of cutting its funds, Trump should increase them, and bolster diplomatic efforts to defend democracy in the region.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article138719758.html#storylink=cpy




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 11:00:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And I'm watching a pair of clowns trying to pretend there's no problem with raiding $2.5 trillion from the poor to give to the top 1% -- including Trump and his cronies -- by whining about socialist/communist Venezuela instead.


I see. I don't know who the pair is. I only see you dealing with Bosco in that regard.




No doubt a point of view vision problem, relative to outside observers.




tamaka -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 11:19:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And I'm watching a pair of clowns trying to pretend there's no problem with raiding $2.5 trillion from the poor to give to the top 1% -- including Trump and his cronies -- by whining about socialist/communist Venezuela instead.


I see. I don't know who the pair is. I only see you dealing with Bosco in that regard.




No doubt a point of view vision problem, relative to outside observers.



Well, i've noticed it is a common problem. People (especially emotional people), don't really have control of their minds. They are quick to make assumptions, often incorrect assumptions, and then 'see' things through the lens of those false assumptions.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 11:26:46 AM)

Been watching that happen here myself.

And a lot of people posting one thing and then claiming they posted something different.

It's not a forum high on the quality scale.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump/GOP: $2.5 trillion for top 1%; $2.5 trillion cuts to poor. (6/6/2017 11:33:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's obviously not common sense because you think it works.
History proves that it fails miserably.

As for your stupid-assed obsession with Venezuela, if you would actually take time to think, it is also proof that trickle down economics fails miserably.
A few uber wealthy and everyone else can't even find food. Thanks for proving my point.[:D]


Wow... You really think that the situation Venezuela is in, is due to a capitalist government allowing people keep their own money circulating in the economy...

You really believe that

Many of you on the left are insane, seriously. I am thinking that is a strong possibility that most of you are.

1. Reading isn't your strong point is it?
I said that there are a few who are uber rich and the rest are basically starving.

THAT is the end result of the trickle down theory.
What is happening in VZ (as it has fuckall to do with the topic) is the result of a few Uber Rich making the rules and fucking everyone else.

Many of you on the alt-stupid are insane, seriously.

Trickle down would only work in a totally Communist society.
Of course, you already WUV dem Russkies so maybe that's what you are after.[:D]




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