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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 12:19:34 AM

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greta, if you advertise the fact that your anti terrorist squads are going to be using bullets smeared with pork fat when they go into shootings or knifing situations, it may cause some of the terrorists re-think. Even the slightest nick will mean the have been infected by pig in their bloodstream. And even if the anti terror squads say that AREN'T doing it, those madmen will never ever be sure. Where do those twisted assholes go when they die, if they don't go to their paradise ?

Is anybody online in the security or intelligence services ? If so, can they pass the idea on please ??*smile*

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 12:43:36 AM

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Maybe because we've been selling Saudi Arabia shit loads of guns explicitly to support them in their fight against Iran....

Obama gave Iran billions in cash, knowing they fund terrorism and cause all kinds of chaos

At least SA leaders don't lead their population in chants of "Death To America" like Obama's jihadi lovers do

Will you pleas quit repeating that fucking lie ? The US gave BACK Iranian assets that had been frozen in US banks.

I like to think you are on our side against these goddamn liberals, BUT DO NOT LIE MOTHERFUCKER.

And let me tell you something else you might not like in your little world there. Most of these Arabs and other Muslims of whatever type who live under a US/Israel puppett government would vote those bastards out if they only could. But they control elections there just the same as here - as in - "Here are your choices, tweedle dee or tweedle dum", both our people who will guide you into making us more profits. Here, the political parties take care of that, ostensibly absolving the government itself of its wrongdoing and cronyism.

To sift through the bullshit it is a good thing to not add to the bullshit. Trump put more sanctions on Iran, which is Russia's friend. So how is he Putin's cock holster ? Trump has not lifted any (of the totally meaningless) sanctions on Russia, so how is he Putin's cock holster ? Trump is still funding separation forces in Syria, against Russia, so how is he Putin's cock holster ?

See, when you fight with truth and logic the snowflakes fucking melt. they have no counter to the few small facts I stated. They will probably be by soon to tell me how stupid I am am, and brainless people will tell me I have no mind of my own when it is they who seem to go by some sort of mantra, and anything outside is evil or biased or whatever. No outside opinions allowed.

You want to be on my side, use truth. Otherwise we shall surely hang separately.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 7:37:57 AM

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Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable

So the Saudis are "extreme moderates". As this claim is a contradiction in terms, I suspect what you are really trying to say is that the Saudis are more 'moderate' than the Iranians. This claim is distinguished by its ignorance and perversity - it bears no relation to political reality.

Saudi Arabia is a medieval State ruled by an absolute monarch in alliance with the most conservative religious theocrats in the region. It is the home of Wahabbism that extreme sect of Islam that spawned Al Quada and IS. The Saudis financed IS in Syria for a number of years until it became too hot politically for them to continue to do so. Almost all of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, as was their ideological and religious inspiration Osama bin Laden.

Saudi Arabia is one of the world's most egregrious offenders against human rights, a concept that has no validity or currency in Saudi life or society. It's legal system is strict enforcement of Sharia and routinely executes any one who expresses even the mildest criticism of the obscene monarchist-theocrat government. The Saudis have initiated or participated in murderous interventions in Yemen, Syria and Bahrain in the past few years, interventions notable for their brutality even by the already abysmal standards of the region. I am unaware of any respected political commentator who has ever used the term 'moderate' to describe the Saudis. It is about as clear a case as I can imagine of painting a regime as white when it's extremely black.

'Moderate' and 'Saudi' are for all practical purposes opposites. The Iranian regime is far from perfect - it is a brutal fundamentalist theocracy - but compared to the Saudi regime it is positively enlightened. It is revealing that you are defending these enemies of progress democracy and human rights - it tells us that your commitment to these basic concepts of liberty is selective and arbitrary, and utterly unprincipled.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 7:51:37 AM

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Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable

So the Saudis are "extreme moderates". As this claim is a contradiction in terms, I suspect what you are really trying to say is that the Saudis are more 'moderate' than the Iranians. This claim is distinguished by its ignorance and perversity - it bears no relation to political reality.

Saudi Arabia is a medieval State ruled by an absolute monarch in alliance with the most conservative religious theocrats in the region. It is the home of Wahabbism that extreme sect of Islam that spawned Al Quada and IS. The Saudis financed IS in Syria for a number of years until it became too hot politically for them to continue to do so. Almost all of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, as was their ideological and religious inspiration Osama bin Laden.

Saudi Arabia is one of the world's most egregrious offenders against human rights, a concept that has no validity or currency in Saudi life or society. It's legal system is strict enforcement of Sharia and routinely executes any one who expresses even the mildest criticism of the obscene monarchist-theocrat government. The Saudis have initiated or participated in murderous interventions in Yemen, Syria and Bahrain in the past few years, interventions notable for their brutality even by the already abysmal standards of the region. I am unaware of any respected political commentator who has ever used the term 'moderate' to describe the Saudis. It is about as clear a case as I can imagine of painting a regime as white when it's extremely black.

'Moderate' and 'Saudi' are for all practical purposes opposites. The Iranian regime is far from perfect - it is a brutal fundamentalist theocracy - but compared to the Saudi regime it is positively enlightened. It is revealing that you are defending these enemies of progress democracy and human rights - it tells us that your commitment to these basic concepts of liberty is selective and arbitrary, and utterly unprincipled.

please provide a link to your statement I've emphasized above. Show where a mild criticism will cause execution.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 9:00:19 AM

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Saudi Arabia is one of the world's most egregrious offenders against human rights, a concept that has no validity or currency in Saudi life or society. It's legal system is strict enforcement of Sharia and routinely executes any one who expresses even the mildest criticism of the obscene monarchist-theocrat government. T

please provide a link to your statement I've emphasized above. Show where a mild criticism will cause execution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-the-political-protesters-who-were-killed-and-those-still-on-death-row-a6795016.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/07/ali-al-nimr-was-a-boy-when-thrown-in-saudi-prison-now-hes-a-man-and-is-sentenced-to-die/
https://thinkprogress.org/saudi-man-faces-beheading-for-protesting-as-a-teenager-377117995348
https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-juvenile-offenders-saudi-arabia-executed-in-january
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/02/saudi-arabia-beheadings-reach-highest-level-in-two-decades

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 9:12:31 AM

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Saudi Arabia is one of the world's most egregrious offenders against human rights, a concept that has no validity or currency in Saudi life or society. It's legal system is strict enforcement of Sharia and routinely executes any one who expresses even the mildest criticism of the obscene monarchist-theocrat government. T

please provide a link to your statement I've emphasized above. Show where a mild criticism will cause execution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-the-political-protesters-who-were-killed-and-those-still-on-death-row-a6795016.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/07/ali-al-nimr-was-a-boy-when-thrown-in-saudi-prison-now-hes-a-man-and-is-sentenced-to-die/
https://thinkprogress.org/saudi-man-faces-beheading-for-protesting-as-a-teenager-377117995348
https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-juvenile-offenders-saudi-arabia-executed-in-january
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/02/saudi-arabia-beheadings-reach-highest-level-in-two-decades

I didn't read all of your links. I read enough to know they don't substantiate what you said. While I agree beheading a youth is extreme, they were Al Quida affiliates plotting terror. Used by Al Quida yes. But expressing minor critism of government is what you said. This is typical of you. You twist something and then make an obscenely biased argument of it. You have no truth in you.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 10:00:42 AM

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Saudi Arabia is one of the world's most egregrious offenders against human rights, a concept that has no validity or currency in Saudi life or society. It's legal system is strict enforcement of Sharia and routinely executes any one who expresses even the mildest criticism of the obscene monarchist-theocrat government. T

please provide a link to your statement I've emphasized above. Show where a mild criticism will cause execution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-the-political-protesters-who-were-killed-and-those-still-on-death-row-a6795016.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/07/ali-al-nimr-was-a-boy-when-thrown-in-saudi-prison-now-hes-a-man-and-is-sentenced-to-die/
https://thinkprogress.org/saudi-man-faces-beheading-for-protesting-as-a-teenager-377117995348
https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-juvenile-offenders-saudi-arabia-executed-in-january
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/02/saudi-arabia-beheadings-reach-highest-level-in-two-decades

I didn't read all of your links. I read enough to know they don't substantiate what you said. While I agree beheading a youth is extreme, they were Al Quida affiliates plotting terror. Used by Al Quida yes. But expressing minor critism of government is what you said. This is typical of you. You twist something and then make an obscenely biased argument of it. You have no truth in you.

Such a shame that you declined to review the evidence I posted at your request. Among other things, you missed out on this:
"Mohammad Faisal al-Shioukh was 19 when Saudi authorities arrested him in February 2012. He was one of seven protesters sentenced to death before the kingdom’s controversial Specialised Criminal Court for their participation in various Arab Spring protests between 2011 and 2012.

According to the human rights group Reprieve, Mr al-Shioukh was beaten with batons and electric cables while in jail in an attempt to force him to confess.

The charges to which he eventually confessed included chanting against the Saudi government, burning tires, obstructing roads, and daubing anti-establishment graffiti on walls. He was executed at Al-Ha’ir Prison in Riyadh, aged 23.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-the-political-protesters-who-were-killed-and-those-still-on-death-row-a6795016.html

If "chanting against the Saudi government, burning tires, obstructing roads, and daubing anti-establishment graffiti on walls." doesn't constitute minor criticism of the government, then I don't know what does. Your attempt to smear these kids as AQ is as despicable as the Saudi official's slandering of them.

The Saudi Govt stinks to the high heavens. It is an obscene medieval theocracy-cum-absolute monarchy, where the State religion is Wahhabism, one of the most extreme and strictest varieties of Islam, the sect that spawned AQ and IS. And here you are attempting to excuse and whitewash these vicious medieval thugs ...

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RE: I wonder why - 6/8/2017 10:55:50 PM

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One wonders at the lak of outrage at the attacks in Iran.
Iran rejected the US condolences to them for the attack.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 12:57:18 AM

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Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 6:58:42 AM

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I see it more like, the enemy is killing each other. Great! What's new. Eye for an Eye type of religion that goes after apostasy. Plus they get mad when someone they don't consider Muslim call themselves a Muslim. It's their religion problem.

The world wants to ignore the core problem.

They kill each other within their religion, no outsiders get hurt. All is good, and I don't care.

I care more about non-muslims getting killed because muslims insist on following that evil ideology.

I would say the same shit if Christians are killing Christians. Buddhist are killing Buddhists (although this must have never happened with buddhism before, buddhist killing buddhist, I wonder why!). I feel religion divides people. And I don't care for its existence. So if they are killing each other, maybe less people want to be a part of that war and leave!

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 7:02:23 AM

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The enemy of our enemies, clown

Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable

Extreme moderates.

They're fucking savages like the rest of them but your boy Trump likes them so you have to fall in line no matter how stupid you look doing so.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 8:09:22 AM

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Then perhaps you will return those $100-350-1000 Billion Saudi dollars, beginning with your piggy bank in yours moms basement - or you a more live in the crawl space without her knowledge?

Do you even have any money anyway? Most republican voters have shag all you know - they think their entitled brain poverty is a currency, little knowing howling shit for brains does not count.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 9:29:38 AM

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 9:32:41 AM

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You're right, it does.

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 9:42:37 AM

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I put that one in the correct thread ;) at least this place let you edit one hour :)

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 9:53:10 AM

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This tidbit has been ignored:

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At Least 12 Killed in Pair of Terrorist Attacks in Iran

Armed assailants, including some disguised as women, stunned Iran on Wednesday with brazen attacks on the Parliament building and the tomb of its revolutionary founder, the worst terrorist strike to hit the Islamic republic in years.

At least 12 people were killed and 46 were wounded in the near-simultaneous assaults, which lasted for hours, clearly took Iran’s elite security forces by surprise and shattered the self-proclaimed image of calm in a turbulent region.

The six known attackers also were killed, official news media said, and five suspects were reported detained. Their identities were not made clear.

“We will avenge the blood of those martyred in today’s terrorism attacks,” said Brig. Gen. Hossein Salami, deputy commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, the country’s powerful paramilitary force.
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In a statement, the Revolutionary Guards appeared to blame Saudi Arabia and the United States for the assaults even as responsibility for them was asserted by the Islamic State, the Sunni extremist group that has taken credit for terrorist attacks around the world in the past few weeks.
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They're Brown. Don't you know the world doesn't care when brown people die unless there's money or oil in it?

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 3:00:50 PM

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Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

When did I defend the Saudis?

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 3:09:32 PM

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Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

When did I defend the Saudis?

I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no. The Muslims there wiped out all non-Muslims a long time ago, as Muslims always do per the same same book that demands they kill me and enslave infidel women etc. I would prefer they join this century and leave their primitive bloodthirsty cult behind them

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RE: I wonder why - 6/9/2017 3:15:00 PM

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RE: I wonder why - 6/10/2017 8:08:03 AM

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Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no.

And you also posted (in post #7 on this thread):
"Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable " If this is not "defending" the thugs of the House of Saud, what is it? Of course you are defending them and asking people to overlook their innumerable crimes because in your hate-twisted mind, "if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable".

So you insist that the Saudis are "moderate'" allies who must be kept in power because the alternative (in your opinion) is "unimaginable". And at the same time you are insisting that you aren't defending the Saudis. One of those claims must be wrong - it's as clear as black and white that you are contradicting yourself as you struggle to rationalise the orange disaster's 'ME policy', a 'policy' which is just as disastrous as all of his other 'policies'

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