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Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

When did I defend the Saudis?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no.

And you also posted (in post #7 on this thread):
"Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable " If this is not "defending" the thugs of the House of Saud, what is it? Of course you are defending them and asking people to overlook their innumerable crimes because in your hate-twisted mind, "if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable".

So you insist that the Saudis are "moderate'" allies who must be kept in power because the alternative (in your opinion) is "unimaginable". And at the same time you are insisting that you aren't defending the Saudis. One of those claims must be wrong - it's as clear as black and white that you are contradicting yourself as you struggle to rationalise the orange disaster's 'ME policy', a 'policy' which is just as disastrous as all of his other 'policies'

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I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no. The Muslims there wiped out all non-Muslims a long time ago, as Muslims always do per the same same book that demands they kill me and enslave infidel women etc. I would prefer they join this century and leave their primitive bloodthirsty cult behind them

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Shia and Sunni are two different sects of Islam and has been at war with each other forever.

They are killing each other because they consider each other infidels.

That IS precisely the problem with Islam.

The whole damn religion encourages vengeance non stop.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Don't you find it astonishing that those implacable critics of all things Islamic Bosco and Nnanji are ganging up to defend the Saudis, who promote one of the most extreme versions of Islam and are among the world's worst human rights offenders?

This is a about turn similar in scale to RM suddenly upping and defending feminism isn't it?

I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no.

And you also posted (in post #7 on this thread):
"Compared to Iran and a few others the Saudis are extreme moderates and if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable " If this is not "defending" the thugs of the House of Saud, what is it? Of course you are defending them and asking people to overlook their innumerable crimes because in your hate-twisted mind, "if they fell the chaos may well be unimaginable".

So you insist that the Saudis are "moderate'" allies who must be kept in power because the alternative (in your opinion) is "unimaginable". And at the same time you are insisting that you aren't defending the Saudis. One of those claims must be wrong - it's as clear as black and white that you are contradicting yourself as you struggle to rationalise the orange disaster's 'ME policy', a 'policy' which is just as disastrous as all of his other 'policies'

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I have posted that they are the enemy of our enemies, and I have posted that they are our allies. I have also pointed out that ISIS hates them and attacks them, though some are ignorant of that fact

As for defending them, no. The Muslims there wiped out all non-Muslims a long time ago, as Muslims always do per the same same book that demands they kill me and enslave infidel women etc. I would prefer they join this century and leave their primitive bloodthirsty cult behind them

My full quote, with the part you deleted restored

You are as brain damaged as the rest of the leftists here, if you call that "defending them"

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greta, if you advertise the fact that your anti terrorist squads are going to be using bullets smeared with pork fat when they go into shootings or knifing situations, it may cause some of the terrorists re-think. Even the slightest nick will mean the have been infected by pig in their bloodstream. And even if the anti terror squads say that AREN'T doing it, those madmen will never ever be sure. Where do those twisted assholes go when they die, if they don't go to their paradise ?

Is anybody online in the security or intelligence services ? If so, can they pass the idea on please ??*smile*

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It's like fighting fog. you can punch all you like but you make no impression because it has no substance and it just keeps swirling back around you and it's stink gets up your nose until it chokes you.

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greta, if you advertise the fact that your anti terrorist squads are going to be using bullets smeared with pork fat when they go into shootings or knifing situations, it may cause some of the terrorists re-think. Even the slightest nick will mean the have been infected by pig in their bloodstream. And even if the anti terror squads say that AREN'T doing it, those madmen will never ever be sure. Where do those twisted assholes go when they die, if they don't go to their paradise ?

Is anybody online in the security or intelligence services ? If so, can they pass the idea on please ??*smile*

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Shia and Sunni are two different sects of Islam and has been at war with each other forever.

They are killing each other because they consider each other infidels.

That IS precisely the problem with Islam.

The whole damn religion encourages vengeance non stop.

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Shia and Sunni are two different sects of Islam and has been at war with each other forever.

They are killing each other because they consider each other infidels.

That IS precisely the problem with Islam.

The whole damn religion encourages vengeance non stop.

I know one of your major life convictions is that all forms of Islam are worse than anything ever done in the name of any other religion, and that this is accompanied by your hatred of the indigenous Malay population of Singapore and your neighbouring countries.

Just wondering what reading you have done about the hundreds of years of Protestants and Catholic conflicts starting in the 16th century which led to torture, execution and war across Europe for hundreds of years, culminating in armed struggle and terrorism in Northern Ireland in the late 20th century. Or the Muslim/Hindu conflicts in the Indian sub-continent (which were not by the way primarily as a result of the nature of Islam). Or for that matter the vicious ethnic cleansing of Muslims by Christians in the Balkans in the twentieth century. Not forgetting of course countless African deaths, deaths across South America, starting with the Spanish Conquistadors, in the name of Christianity. The list goes on and on.

Battles between the different sects of Islam have indeed cost many lives, but interdenominational and inter-religious conflict of other sorts have also led to the deaths of many people across the world.

Violence in the name of religion is an ugly thing, whether it is truly on religious grounds or for political, nationalistic or cultural reasons. Islam cannot be singled out as unique in this regard.

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Shia and Sunni are two different sects of Islam and has been at war with each other forever.

They are killing each other because they consider each other infidels.

That IS precisely the problem with Islam.

The whole damn religion encourages vengeance non stop.

I know one of your major life convictions is that all forms of Islam are worse than anything ever done in the name of any other religion, and that this is accompanied by your hatred of the indigenous Malay population of Singapore and your neighbouring countries.

Just wondering what reading you have done about the hundreds of years of Protestants and Catholic conflicts starting in the 16th century which led to torture, execution and war across Europe for hundreds of years, culminating in armed struggle and terrorism in Northern Ireland in the late 20th century. Or the Muslim/Hindu conflicts in the Indian sub-continent (which were not by the way primarily as a result of the nature of Islam). Or for that matter the vicious ethnic cleansing of Muslims by Christians in the Balkans in the twentieth century. Not forgetting of course countless African deaths, deaths across South America, starting with the Spanish Conquistadors, in the name of Christianity. The list goes on and on.

Battles between the different sects of Islam have indeed cost many lives, but interdenominational and inter-religious conflict of other sorts have also led to the deaths of many people across the world.

Violence in the name of religion is an ugly thing, whether it is truly on religious grounds or for political, nationalistic or cultural reasons. Islam cannot be singled out as unique in this regard.

Much of what you post is propaganda, South America deaths were due to disease for example. Muslims invaded the Indian subcontinent and slaughtered hundreds of millions of Buddhists and Hindus

Islamic Invasion Of India: The Greatest Genocide In History

Most if not all wars against Muslims have been pushback against Muslim "holy Jihad" campaigns of terror

All of it is in the far past

Muslims still believe in their commands to do all of that today

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You are right by the way that disease killed millions in South America, but the Conquistadors were still responsible of thousands of deaths of people killed during the subjugation of South America.

The current spate of Islamic extremist terrorism is deplorable, but it is not without historical precedent from non-Muslims. If you have the time to do the research just have a look at how many terrorist deaths there were in many European countries during the seventies and eighties at the hands of non-Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists in Europe have a way to go to catch up with those numbers.

Oh and if you think Muslims are the greatest evil in the world, have a look at deaths in the US from mass shootings in schools and public places and compare it with the numbers dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists in Europe in recent years.

Don't get me wrong I am absolutely for taking measures against terrorism but hated of all Muslims is illogical and does nothing for community relations or policing, which relies on community cohesion and engagement to defeat the terrorists.

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You are right by the way that disease killed millions in South America, but the Conquistadors were still responsible of thousands of deaths of people killed during the subjugation of South America.

The current spate of Islamic extremist terrorism is deplorable, but it is not without historical precedent from non-Muslims. If you have the time to do the research just have a look at how many terrorist deaths there were in many European countries during the seventies and eighties at the hands of non-Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists in Europe have a way to go to catch up with those numbers.

Oh and if you think Muslims are the greatest evil in the world, have a look at deaths in the US from mass shootings in schools and public places and compare it with the numbers dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists in Europe in recent years.

Don't get me wrong I am absolutely for taking measures against terrorism but hated of all Muslims is illogical and does nothing for community relations or policing, which relies on community cohesion and engagement to defeat the terrorists.

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You are right by the way that disease killed millions in South America, but the Conquistadors were still responsible of thousands of deaths of people killed during the subjugation of South America.

The current spate of Islamic extremist terrorism is deplorable, but it is not without historical precedent from non-Muslims. If you have the time to do the research just have a look at how many terrorist deaths there were in many European countries during the seventies and eighties at the hands of non-Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists in Europe have a way to go to catch up with those numbers.

Oh and if you think Muslims are the greatest evil in the world, have a look at deaths in the US from mass shootings in schools and public places and compare it with the numbers dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists in Europe in recent years.

Don't get me wrong I am absolutely for taking measures against terrorism but hated of all Muslims is illogical and does nothing for community relations or policing, which relies on community cohesion and engagement to defeat the terrorists.

You ignore the fact that many of those shootings were Arab terroism were routinly classed as something else, anything else, so Obama had the problem under control.

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You are right by the way that disease killed millions in South America, but the Conquistadors were still responsible of thousands of deaths of people killed during the subjugation of South America.

The current spate of Islamic extremist terrorism is deplorable, but it is not without historical precedent from non-Muslims. If you have the time to do the research just have a look at how many terrorist deaths there were in many European countries during the seventies and eighties at the hands of non-Muslim terrorists. Muslim terrorists in Europe have a way to go to catch up with those numbers.

Oh and if you think Muslims are the greatest evil in the world, have a look at deaths in the US from mass shootings in schools and public places and compare it with the numbers dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists in Europe in recent years.

Don't get me wrong I am absolutely for taking measures against terrorism but hated of all Muslims is illogical and does nothing for community relations or policing, which relies on community cohesion and engagement to defeat the terrorists.

You ignore the fact that many of those shootings were Arab terroism were routinly classed as something else, anything else, so Obama had the problem under control.

I just knew that my entire argument would be blasted out of the water by something a Democrat did. Thank God for the Tanned Orange One who will deliver us from evil.

Doesn't change the fact - terrorism carried out by Islamic extremists is the problem, not the mere existence of millions of Muslims who have the cheek to live, eat, breathe and raise their families.

I mean, how dare they?

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You make such big assertions based on such minimal knowledge.

For you the only crimes that are significant are those carried out by Muslims. You are obsessed with Islam and blind to just about everything else.

Let's root out perpetrators of all backgrounds, not victimise an entire religion of millions of people.

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You make such big assertions based on such minimal knowledge.

For you the only crimes that are significant are those carried out by Muslims. You are obsessed with Islam and blind to just about everything else.

Let's root out perpetrators of all backgrounds, not victimise an entire religion of millions of people.

Ad hominems are fallacies, and show your desperation

Try debating the topic and Muslim laws, and what is written in the Koran. Attacking others for laying out facts that are easily verified reflects poorly on your own credibility