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But as much of a bitch she is, she did not put him in the truck nor did she have any hands on involvement,

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But as much of a bitch she is, she did not put him in the truck nor did she have any hands on involvement,

She did, and she did.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think she is a vile little cunt.
just my nsho

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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But as much of a bitch she is, she did not put him in the truck nor did she have any hands on involvement,

She did, and she did.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think she is a vile little cunt.
just my nsho

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But then, Judge Moniz homed in on the cellphone calls between Ms. Carter and Mr. Roy while he was poisoning himself in his car. At the time, he said, Mr. Roy had fearfully climbed out of the car.

“He breaks that chain of self-causation by exiting the vehicle,” Judge Moniz said. “He takes himself out of that toxic environment that it has become.”

“She instructed Mr. Roy to get back into the truck, well knowing his ambiguities, his fears, his concerns,” Judge Moniz said. “This court finds that instructing Mr. Roy to get back in the truck constituted wanton and reckless conduct, by Ms. Carter creating a situation where there is a high degree of likelihood that substantial harm will result to Mr. Roy.”

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Depraved-heart murder is the form of murder that establishes that the willful doing of a dangerous and reckless act with wanton indifference to the consequences and perils involved, is just as blameworthy, and just as worthy of punishment, when the harmful result ensues, as is the express intent to kill itself. This highly blameworthy state of mind is not one of mere negligence. ... It is not merely one even of gross criminal negligence. ... It involves rather the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act with reckless and wanton unconcern and indifference as to whether anyone is harmed or not. The common law treats such a state of mind as just as blameworthy, just as anti-social and, therefore, just as truly murderous as the specific intents to kill and to harm.
— Judge Moylan, Debettencourt v. State
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder
https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depraved-indifference/

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California lawmakers recently acknowledged that terminally-ill people should have the right to die by passing California's first physician-assisted suicide law . But according to Penal Code 401, people who are not doctors still may not help friends or family members who are in terrible pain die on their own terms—at least not without risking serious criminal penalties under California's ‘assisting a suicide' law.
http://www.shouselaw.com/aiding-suicide.html

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Assisted suicide, including doctor-prescribed suicide, is a common law crime in Massachusetts.
http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/massachusetts/

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What is Considered Assisted Suicide?
Every state has a slightly different definition of what it means to assist a suicide, and some states do not actually define it in their statutes. Generally, someone assists with a suicide when:
> He does some act which causes someone else to die, such as administering lethal doses of drugs;
> He provides the drugs or tools necessary for someone else to commit suicide when he knows those tools are likely to be used for suicide;
> Advises someone else on the way to commit suicide; or
> Persuades someone else to commit suicide.
Note that it is not considered assisted suicide to fail to resuscitate someone who is already dying.
http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patient-rights/is-it-against-the-law-to-help-someone-else-commit-suicide.html

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Authorities have not commented on a motive in the case, but according to police documents, Conrad allegedly sent text messages to her friends and to Roy's mother expressing concern about Roy's whereabouts on the day he committed suicide, despite having been in constant contact with him and encouraging him to take his own life.

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In the United States, as of 2009 ten states had laws on the books requiring that people at least notify law enforcement of and/or seek aid for strangers in peril under certain conditions: California, Florida, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Ohio, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin. These laws are also referred to as Good Samaritan laws, despite their difference from laws of the same name that protect individuals who try to help another person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2015/05/in-which-states-do-i-have-a-duty-to-help.html

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On Memorial Day, 2011, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, of Alameda, California, walked into the waters off Robert Crown Memorial Beach and stood neck deep in water roughly 150 yards offshore for almost an hour. His foster mother, Dolores Berry, called 9-1-1 and said that he was trying to drown himself. (There are conflicting reports about Zack's intentions.) Firefighters and police responded but did not enter the water. The firefighters called for a United States Coast Guard boat to respond to the scene. According to police reports, Alameda police expected the firefighters to enter the water. Firefighters later said that they did not have current training and certifications to perform land-based water rescue. Dozens of civilians on the beach, and watching from their homes across from the beach, did not enter the water, apparently expecting public safety officers to conduct a rescue. Eventually, Zack collapsed in the water, apparently from hypothermia. Even then, nobody entered the water for several minutes. Finally, a good samaritan entered the water and pulled Zack to shore. Zack died afterwards at a local hospital.

In October 2011, a 2-year-old girl, Wang Yue, was hit by a small, white van in the city of Foshan, China, then run over by a large truck when she was not moved by bystanders. A total of 18 people ignored her, some going so far as to walk around the blood. The girl was left for seven minutes before a recycler, Chen Xianmei, picked up the toddler and called for help. The child died eight days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Notable_examples

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I'm asking in relation to what happened in Steubenville in Ohio. Considering that people stood by and apparently did not try to intervene, I wonder if people should have a legal responsibility to intervene, as a moral responsibility apparently no longer suffices to mobilize people. What do you think?

The problem with bystanders isn’t necessarily that they don’t do anything, although obviously that’s an issue. The larger problem is sometimes that they do in fact “do something” and that something is very unpleasant. They’re the ones cheering, creating a larger audience, goading the criminals on, feeding something terrible and monstrous that swells and grows as more people are attracted. They’re the ones who aren’t just condoning by remaining silent, but by actively high-fiving the criminals and creating a charged atmosphere.
http://www.xojane.com/issues/should-bystanders-have-a-legal-obligation-to-intervene-in-crimes

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An accessory is a person who assists in the commission of a crime, but who does not actually participate in the commission of the crime as a joint principal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)[/quote

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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

.. Something I forgot to add. Consider the Jonestown incident. November 18, 1978, Jonestown, Guyana, South America. Let's say Jim Jones hadn't died of a gunshot wound that same day, would he have been guilty of convincing nearly ONE THOUSAND people to commit suicide? But many people have all but said that you can't MAKE someone kill themself, so Jim Jones would have been able to continue manipulating people, maybe being convicted of tax evasion or some trivial crime. If Jim Jones is guilty why can't this girl be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Family Guy's episode Chitty Chitty Death Bang parodied Jonestown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6VwYtSsNLI

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But as much of a bitch she is, she did not put him in the truck nor did she have any hands on involvement,

She did, and she did.

that should make bosco happy, because now we have precedent to to reach into any religion and not only to jail osama bin laden but every muslim on the planet as an accessory to terrorism.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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But as much of a bitch she is, she did not put him in the truck nor did she have any hands on involvement,

She did, and she did.

that should make bosco happy, because now we have precedent to to reach into any religion and not only to jail osama bin laden but every muslim on the planet as an accessory to terrorism.

Only if they text instructions.

btw, OBL is dead, haven't you heard?

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Incitement to suicide
In 2017, a juvenile court in Massachusetts ruled that repeatedly encouraging someone to commit suicide was excluded from First Amendment protection, and found a 20-year-old woman, who was 17 at the time, guilty of manslaughter on this basis. The judge cited a little-known 1816 precedent. The woman is expected to file an appeal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

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The case against Michelle Carter, a doe-eyed Massachusetts teen accused of encouraging her boyfriend to kill himself via text messages, is both disturbing and unusual. But it’s not the first time this state has charged someone with inciting another person to commit suicide.

In fact, it has something in common with a case that stretches back two centuries. In 1816, a man jailed in Northampton was tried for murder after he encouraged an inmate in a neighboring cell to hang himself before the executioner could do it.

George Bowen was, by historical accounts, a “hardened and abandoned wretch’’ who was locked up on a petty larceny charge. Jonathan Jewett, the man in the cell next to him, had been convicted of murdering his father and was scheduled to die by hanging the next day.

After Jewett was found hanging from his cell the morning of Nov. 8, 1815, authorities filed two charges of murder. One charged Jewett with the crime of murdering himself. The other charged Bowen as a participant through “murder by counseling.’’

At Bowen’s trial, the jail keeper testified that he heard chatter through the jail walls.

“In one conversation, Jewett allegedly asked Bowen how he could hang himself. The defendant replied that ‘it can [be done]; I would make a string of my bed-ticking, and hang myself to these grates in five minutes,’’’ according to a passage in the Historical Journal of Massachusetts.

That advice, the prosecution said, would be enough to convict Bowen as a participant.

“If he took the means suggested by the prisoner it is enough. It is not necessary that Bowen should have been the sole adviser. . . . But Bowen was the most constant, and therefore, the most guilty adviser.’’
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2015/09/08/what-the-suicide-by-text-case-has-in-common-with-a-19th-century-trial

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What speech isn't covered under the First Amendment?
> Obscenity (the definition relies on context, but regular old porn is not considered obscene)
> Fighting words
> Defamation
> Child pornography
> Perjury
> Blackmail
> Incitement to imminent lawless action
> True threats
> Solicitations to commit crimes
> Plagiarism of copyrighted material
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/politics/first-amendment-explainer-trnd/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

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Obscene speech. The First Amendment does not protect speech or expression that is considered "obscene." This is why child porn is against the law. However, the exact line between obscenity and free speech is often hard to determine. For example, the filmmaker behind the controversial "2 Girls, 1 Cup" viral video was sentenced to four years in prison for making films that were considered obscene, despite his contention that they were "art" protected by the First Amendment.
http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/09/not-so-free-speech-5-limits-on-1st-amendment-rights.html

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Crimes are considered offenses against the state, or society as a whole. That means that even though one person might murder another person, murder itself is considered an offense to everyone in society. Accordingly, crimes against the state are prosecuted by the state, and the prosecutor (not the victim) files the case in court as a representative of the state. If it were a civil case, then the wronged party would file the case.

Although criminal and civil cases are treated very differently, many people often fail to recognize that the same conduct can result in both criminal and civil liability. Perhaps one of the most famous examples of this is the OJ Simpson trial. The same conduct led to a murder trial (criminal) and a wrongful death trial (civil). In part because of the different standards of proof, there was not enough evidence for a jury to decide that OJ Simpson was guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" in the criminal murder case. In the civil trial, however, the jury found enough evidence to conclude that OJ Simpson wrongfully caused his wife's death by a "preponderance of the evidence".
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/the-differences-between-a-criminal-case-and-a-civil-case.html

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Charles Manson was convicted on seven counts of first-degree murder for his role in the killings.

This is despite the fact that he never murdered anyone himself during the family’s killing spree. Instead, he ordered his followers to murder for him. This is known as murder by proxy. A proxy murder is defined as a murder in which the murderer does so at the behest of another, acting as his or her proxy.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201403/if-not-serial-killer-then-what-is-charles-manson

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June 19, 2014
Michelle Carter: But the mental hospital would help you. I know you don't think it would but I'm telling you, if you give them a chance, they can save your life
Michelle Carter: Part of me wants you to try something and fail just so you can go get help
Conrad Roy: It doesn't help. Trust me
Michelle Carter: So what are you gonna do then? Keep being all talk and no action and everyday go thru saying how badly you wanna kill yourself? Or are you gonna try to get better?
Conrad Roy: I can't get better I already made my decision.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/text-message-suicide-michelle-carter-conrad-roy/index.html

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July 12, 2014 [his final day]
Michelle Carter: You can't think about it You just have to do it? You said you were gonna do it like I don't get why you arent
..
Michelle Carter: You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off, you just have to do it
..
Conrad Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow
Michelle Carter: No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time
Michelle Carter: If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it
Michelle Carter: And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't
..
Conrad Roy: Thank you.
Michelle Carter: For what
Conrad Roy: still bring here
Conrady Roy: being
Michelle Carter: I would never leave you, you're the love of my life, my boyfriend. You're my heart, I'd never leave you
..
Michelle Carter: Okay so are you gonna do it?
Conrad Roy: I guess
Michelle Carter: Well I want you to be ready and sure
Conrad Roy: :P
Michelle Carter: What's that mean haha
Conrad Roy: Idk I'm freaking out again
Conrad Roy: I'm overthinking
Michelle Carter: I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this everyday
..
Conrad Roy: Idkk I'm stressin
Michelle Carter: You're fine, it's gonna be okay. You just gotta do it babe, you can't think about it
Conrad Roy: okay. okay I got this
Michelle Carter: Yes you do, I believe in you. Did you delete the messages?
..
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/all-the-text-messages-between-michelle-carter-and-conrad-roy-they-day-he-died/532942907
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/06/05/read-the-messages-at-the-heart-of-the-michelle-carter-suicide-by-text-manslaughter-trial

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unknown dates
Michelle Carter: How bad do you want? Because if you want it bad you should succeed.
Conrad Roy: I wish I could hold your hand through it.
Michelle Carter: I’d hold your had and cry with you and tell you how much I love you.
..
Michelle Carter: So it didn’t work? You said you wanted this bad. I knew you weren’t going to try hard. I feel like such an idiot. You didn’t ever do anything. You lied about the whole thing. You said you were gonna go to the woods I thought you really wanted to die. But apparently you don’t. I feel played and stupid.
Conrad Roy: I’ll prove you wrong.
..
Michelle Carter: Well you gonna do it tonight or not?
Conrad Roy: I don’t think I have it in me.
Michelle Carter: I knew it!
Conrad Roy: I’m too scared. You’re right I don’t have it in me.
Michelle Carter: Just swallow all of them . . . You purposefully took a low dosage because you don’t wanna die.
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Michelle Carter: Hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself. I don’t know. There’s lots of ways.
..
Conrad Roy: How was your day?
Michelle Carter: When are you doing it?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/06/08/when-are-you-doing-read-latest-texts-michelle-carter-case/Ei7L2NXVxXozc6T7MU29BJ/story.html

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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Recent update

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Incitement to suicide
In 2017, a juvenile court in Massachusetts ruled that repeatedly encouraging someone to commit suicide was excluded from First Amendment protection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

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yes a bogus extraconstitutional [unconstitutional] ruling. might want to look up 'reserved' rights, if you want to understand why. Its one of those hidden directly in front of your face issues, they do not have jurisdiction.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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yes a bogus extraconstitutional [unconstitutional] ruling. might want to look up 'reserved' rights, if you want to understand why. Its one of those hidden directly in front of your face issues, they do not have jurisdiction.

How do you relate that to yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater ? That is a noted exception to the first. It is also logical. Inciting panic when not justified is not a good thing to do, as abuse of any other rights. I have the right to have a gun because I am not a convicted felon, but does that give me the right to rob a bank ? Fuck no.

That "forgery" known as the Protocols had something to say about that - that freedom is an impossibility because nobody knows how to use it with discretion, or something to that effect. Strange how that thing can be so full of truths, because the fact is that as we trade the life of primitives for life in society we give up rights, quite a few in fact. The fact is that today people would not want freedom.

With freedom you are free to have ten kids and only three of them live. You are free to die of a disease that the local doctor can cure for ten bucks. You are free to die in a flood. That is freedom motherfucker, still want it ? You are free to buy this snake oil from a traveling salesman which consists of battery acid or whatever else, you are free to starve to death.

People do not really want freedom. My Father said that cities are people living off of each other and I am starting to think he was right. He just failed to include that all human society is pretty much like that, except for the most primitive.

But getting back to the subject, I will expound.

I want you all to go and take a hose from the exhaust from your car and pipe it into the car. Use duct tape to seal it. If you have one of those pussy cars that don't pollute enough go get something that does and put it in the car with you. I want you to run it until you are dead. Until YOU are dead, get it ?

Out of the thousands of people who can view this post, let's say ten decide they will do it.

Am I a mass murderer ? Killed ten people.

In fact, before that take your gun and shoot a bunch of people at random.

OBEY ME !

Does that make me responsible for your actions ?

T^T