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respectmen -> HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 1:35:59 AM)
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Termyn8or -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 4:27:26 AM)
That's a video site isn't it ? How about some text ? I am seriously not into videos these days. So I will comment i the blind here I guess. As far as I can tell, Halal is very similar to Kosher. It does not mean it is good for you, but I do agree with some of the Kosher rules. For example Kosher Coca cola has real sugar in it and not the HFCS. How HFCS is not inline with their dietary rules is not known to me. Kosher means approved or blessed by a Rabbi, I am not sure if Halal has a similar requirement but you would think there is some sort of authority involved. What's more I am not sure it is purely religious. Some people have a bad reaction to pork for example. My maternal Grandmother said "I like pork but it doesn't like me". Now in later life me Mother is starting to react badly to pork, to the point she cooks it very rarely. (I don't mean rare as in pink I mean rare as on few occasions) These two have not one Semitic bone in them as far as I know, they are Slovak by race. If you look at the foods that are against Semitic dietary laws you will find among them a few items that some people have an allergy to. As such, it is a reasonable thought that maybe their races, in the past, were more prone to such allergies or whatever that made these foods intolerable to their system. However, research into dietary matters as it concerns race is quite the political incorrect. There was a guy who said that people who ha e different blood types need different diets, and you know, that kiunda makes some sense.. But to correlate these blood types with different races would be political suicide because of that stupid fucking mantra that we are all the same under the skin. We are not. With a sample for DNA ancestry dot com can tell you where your great Grandparents came from and possibly what the had for lunch. They can examine your fossilized remains and tell your ancestry a thousand years from now. We are NOT all the same under the skin. Since I am not watching the video, I do lack some info on what Halal actually is, but I am sure it is close to Kosher in some ways. Well let's talk Kosher then. Years ago, not sure exactly when, Israel got hit with locusts. Well they started frying them up and selling them and people were eating them. The Rabbis apparently passed them as Kosher. I think of different races of humans like different breeds of dogs. It is extremely politically incorrect but I think that train of thought would lead to more understanding of human maladies. But the pursuit of science has always been limited that way, in the old days it was the church, now the same shit goes on but the church is not really in on it, except for the stem cell thing. Personally I think they should use every spare part that comes along, a fetus or whatever, if it can help someone use it. Think of Ptolemy and Kopernikus, the guy was blind and almost dead by the time he got published shooting down Ptolemy's backward notions. But Ptolemy had stature in the society and the church and for quite some time could not be contradicted. Want to wonder why I wonder about some of the "science" of today ? History baby, history. I have another theory, well supposition actually, about circumcision. Semites and possibly Ashkenazis might be more prone to condition known as phimosis, which is when a young male child gets an erection and the glans of the penis push through the foreskin which is too tight. Once this happens the kid cannot urinate and will die unless that thing it cut off. So they did it aforehand to prevent such an occurance. Since these primitive societies were quite religion governed, these rules went onto their Bible rather than voted on by some senate. That is just how things were back then. Think of all the things not forbidden by Biblical laws. Cockroaches, ewww. Chocolate covered ants (whoever came up with that and moreso who is buying them ?). Weird ass critters you scrape off the bottom of your boat. And people do eat them. There is a joke about down south, like Louisiana says "They eat things we call the Orkin Man for" and it is true. But I figure they simply have a different body chemistry. Ever eat French food ? (down there was settled by alot of French) I personally cannot stand most of it. I really can't put it down, many people like it, but bottom line is I will rather cook for myself. (actually it is getting that way anyway, everyone overcooks everything, especially Women) This is all generalities, put some text in here and I can respond more cogently. At the moment all you did was to give me a sounding board. Not that I object to that but I would like more specifics. T^T

WhoreMods -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 4:57:08 AM)
Halal meat preparation relates to kosher stuff the same way that a lot of moslem dietary and cultural restrictions relate to judaism: it's rather like kosher's retarded cousin. Mosre specifically: in both kosher and halal slaughter of beef, the cattle have to be killed by a religious authority figure after a blessing, without being stunned first. The evil zionists have a special knife that's used to bleed the cow, and train rabbis to do this quickly and efficiently. Imans, on the other hand, sneer at such distinction and cause a lot more discomfort for the livestock, though some of them do manage to refine their technique a lot with practice. As for this stuff about blood groups you keep coming out with: that was first propounded by Peter D'Amo in order to sell diet books twenty years ago. His science is shakey to say the least, and a lot of research into the notion has debunked the idea (most recently a blind test staged in 2013). The fact that some blood groups are slightly more common in certain racial groups than others, and some regional diets are healthier than others (B is more common in south east Asia, where high cholesterol levels are unusual due to the amount of oily fish and pulses in most national diets down there, but saying that somebody with blood group B will be no healthier if they eat like that than somebody with a different blood group is misguided. It's also worth remembering that race mixing over the last twenty years has spread all blood groups across most populations (with a few exceptions like the Australian aborigines) to an extent where the Japanese talk about blood groups the way Europeans talk about horoscopes, and if an island nation of paranoid racists has the same spread of blood types as mainland Europe so will everybody else who has a gene pool rather than a gene puddle. (It's been suggested, in fact, that D'Amo got his idea from a translation of some japanese management blather text that associated blood groups with personality types.)

Greta75 -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 5:28:09 AM)
I avoid halal meat because. 1) Halal slaughtering is cruelty. The whole point for a meat to be Halal is to drain the blood out of an animal BEFORE the animal dies. If the animal dies before it bleeds to death, the meat is no longer edible and no longer halal. So I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. At least normal slaughtering is kill the animal as fast as possible first before attempting to drain their blood. Muslims claim that their halal killing puts an animal into a painless unconscious peaceful sleep while they drain their blood before they give the animal their final death. Their method is slitting their neck in a way where they claim the animal will go into a peaceful slumber but will not die yet. I am completely skeptical that you can slit the throat of a living thing causing it to merely go into a peaceful slumber. But I think it's all bullshit. I'd like to know how does someone drain the fuck out of my blood painlessly, without using anaesthetic.

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 8:15:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I avoid halal meat because. 1) Halal slaughtering is cruelty. The whole point for a meat to be Halal is to drain the blood out of an animal BEFORE the animal dies. If the animal dies before it bleeds to death, the meat is no longer edible and no longer halal. So I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. At least normal slaughtering is kill the animal as fast as possible first before attempting to drain their blood. Muslims claim that their halal killing puts an animal into a painless unconscious peaceful sleep while they drain their blood before they give the animal their final death. Their method is slitting their neck in a way where they claim the animal will go into a peaceful slumber but will not die yet. I am completely skeptical that you can slit the throat of a living thing causing it to merely go into a peaceful slumber. But I think it's all bullshit. I'd like to know how does someone drain the fuck out of my blood painlessly, without using anaesthetic. Unpleasant detail: You do not know how "ordinary" butchering works, do you? Non-halal plain butchering: Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. To "drain" the blood, the animal's heart should still beat and is, thus, not killed before its throat is cut. The matter of dispute is whether plain cutting the throat is already sufficient to knock an animal unconscious by sudden drop of blood pressure and loss of blood supply of the brain. Again: get informed before posting

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 8:22:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I avoid halal meat because. 1) Halal slaughtering is cruelty. The whole point for a meat to be Halal is to drain the blood out of an animal BEFORE the animal dies. If the animal dies before it bleeds to death, the meat is no longer edible and no longer halal. So I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. At least normal slaughtering is kill the animal as fast as possible first before attempting to drain their blood. Muslims claim that their halal killing puts an animal into a painless unconscious peaceful sleep while they drain their blood before they give the animal their final death. Their method is slitting their neck in a way where they claim the animal will go into a peaceful slumber but will not die yet. I am completely skeptical that you can slit the throat of a living thing causing it to merely go into a peaceful slumber. But I think it's all bullshit. I'd like to know how does someone drain the fuck out of my blood painlessly, without using anaesthetic. Unpleasant detail: You do not know how "ordinary" butchering works, do you? Non-halal plain butchering: Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. To "drain" the blood, the animal's heart should still beat and is, thus, not killed before its throat is cut. The matter of dispute is whether plain cutting the throat is already sufficient to knock an animal unconscious by sudden drop of blood pressure and loss of blood supply of the brain. Again: get informed before posting Well, actually blondie, having butchered an animal or two in my time, having cut the throat of an animal or two in my time, and having been in a modern slaughter house or two in my time, I'm pretty sure all of your vast knowledge is Google based and just presented to make you sound superior to Greta.

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 8:36:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I avoid halal meat because. 1) Halal slaughtering is cruelty. The whole point for a meat to be Halal is to drain the blood out of an animal BEFORE the animal dies. If the animal dies before it bleeds to death, the meat is no longer edible and no longer halal. So I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. At least normal slaughtering is kill the animal as fast as possible first before attempting to drain their blood. Muslims claim that their halal killing puts an animal into a painless unconscious peaceful sleep while they drain their blood before they give the animal their final death. Their method is slitting their neck in a way where they claim the animal will go into a peaceful slumber but will not die yet. I am completely skeptical that you can slit the throat of a living thing causing it to merely go into a peaceful slumber. But I think it's all bullshit. I'd like to know how does someone drain the fuck out of my blood painlessly, without using anaesthetic. Unpleasant detail: You do not know how "ordinary" butchering works, do you? Non-halal plain butchering: Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. To "drain" the blood, the animal's heart should still beat and is, thus, not killed before its throat is cut. The matter of dispute is whether plain cutting the throat is already sufficient to knock an animal unconscious by sudden drop of blood pressure and loss of blood supply of the brain. Again: get informed before posting Well, actually blondie, having butchered an animal or two in my time, having cut the throat of an animal or two in my time, and having been in a modern slaughter house or two in my time, I'm pretty sure all of your vast knowledge is Google based and just presented to make you sound superior to Greta. Well actually ... Did you find any mistake considering your wealth of experience? Growing up on a farm and taking part in home butchering happens elsewhere too so I do not need google to know a Schlachtschussapparat and how it works ... invented in Bavaria btw

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 8:56:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I avoid halal meat because. 1) Halal slaughtering is cruelty. The whole point for a meat to be Halal is to drain the blood out of an animal BEFORE the animal dies. If the animal dies before it bleeds to death, the meat is no longer edible and no longer halal. So I can't imagine a more horrific way to die. At least normal slaughtering is kill the animal as fast as possible first before attempting to drain their blood. Muslims claim that their halal killing puts an animal into a painless unconscious peaceful sleep while they drain their blood before they give the animal their final death. Their method is slitting their neck in a way where they claim the animal will go into a peaceful slumber but will not die yet. I am completely skeptical that you can slit the throat of a living thing causing it to merely go into a peaceful slumber. But I think it's all bullshit. I'd like to know how does someone drain the fuck out of my blood painlessly, without using anaesthetic. Unpleasant detail: You do not know how "ordinary" butchering works, do you? Non-halal plain butchering: Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. To "drain" the blood, the animal's heart should still beat and is, thus, not killed before its throat is cut. The matter of dispute is whether plain cutting the throat is already sufficient to knock an animal unconscious by sudden drop of blood pressure and loss of blood supply of the brain. Again: get informed before posting Well, actually blondie, having butchered an animal or two in my time, having cut the throat of an animal or two in my time, and having been in a modern slaughter house or two in my time, I'm pretty sure all of your vast knowledge is Google based and just presented to make you sound superior to Greta. Well actually ... Did you find any mistake considering your wealth of experience? Growing up on a farm and taking part in home butchering happens elsewhere too so I do not need google to know a Schlachtschussapparat and how it works ... invented in Bavaria btw Well, yes. Your assumption that the animal was still alive after driving a bolt into its head just because the heart was still beating was nonsense. While on the other hand the animal with a throat cut is still alive, aware and pumping adrenaline into the muscles for some time. One of the reasons that you want a quick clean kill, other than respect for the animal, is so the meat isn't tainted from chemicals pumped by an animal in distress. The religious justification for draining the blood is because the life is in the blood, Leviticus 17:11. In the old days draining the blood before life fled was gods law. With modern technology the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal and still observe the religious justification.

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 8:56:26 AM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VnN1AAOO-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UN_7m_GNPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHhwq1nsY8

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 9:30:29 AM)
Well actually ... you want an exact definition of death ie collapse of all vital functions which as you will agree if ever watched a chcken transferred to food the traditional farm house style will have various stages, decapitation neither ending blood circuit/heart beating nor running and fluttering (not returning to live on nonetheless) ... in mammals there are muscle movements even after being knocked out, and since blood stream still works for a while after the bolt as well as after the throat cut the adrenaline argument is often heard but not valid since no brain is needed for its distribution as well as for muscles in involutary motion. Is the animal alve after the throat cut? It depends on whether the brain functions shut down as an immediate consequence; do they? I don't know. Does the bolt change much? No - there are many models which do not penetrate the skull and simply knock the animal down, so the animal's brain is functioning but (probably) unconscious. So easier to work, not quite that ugly to watch, but no big difference for the animal.

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 9:41:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Well actually ... you want an exact definition of death ie collapse of all vital functions which as you will agree if ever watched a chcken transferred to food the traditional farm house style will have various stages, decapitation neither ending blood circuit/heart beating nor running and fluttering (not returning to live on nonetheless) ... in mammals there are muscle movements even after being knocked out, and since blood stream still works for a while after the bolt as well as after the throat cut the adrenaline argument is often heard but not valid since no brain is needed for its distribution as well as for muscles in involutary motion. Is the animal alve after the throat cut? It depends on whether the brain functions shut down as an immediate consequence; do they? I don't know. Does the bolt change much? No - there are many models which do not penetrate the skull and simply knock the animal down, so the animal's brain is functioning but (probably) unconscious. So easier to work, not quite that ugly to watch, but no big difference for the animal. Well, I guess then, by your definition Terri Schievo wasn't really dead and you aren't just making shit up to sound smart. Oh...and partial birth abortions deliver live babies that are left to die before their body parts can be harvested and sold.

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 9:59:57 AM)
This sounds gross, and it is, however the way I was taught to butcher was to put a bullet slightly above the base of the brain so the animal does not suffer. That method they drop like a rock and you wont even see any nerve response like you see in all the other methods. Slitting the animals throat and calling it merciful killing is loonacy, as is literally all forms of commercialized slaughter house methods I have seen. Oh and I should add that I was taught that way with the reasoning that if the manner of death causes a nerve response (I presume they are talking about adrenaline release) that the meat will be tough. It stands to reason however I have no idea how valid that is, but on any level instant death is far more humane than any other method bolt or otherwise used in industry today, which is to say a bullet does not require the same amount of precision that a bolt would...blah blah blah....

Greta75 -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 10:08:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit. I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster! Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy. Draining the blood out of an animal by slitting their throat is not mercy killing. It's just doing it that way for their own selfish religious nonsense, just doing it without any intention to kill the animal in the kindest way possible. You do realise in Halal slaughtering farms, there is alot of wastage because if the animal accidentally dies before the blood drains out, the meat is thrown away because it's no longer halal.

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 10:33:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit. I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster! Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy. Draining the blood out of an animal by slitting their throat is not mercy killing. It's just doing it that way for their own selfish religious nonsense, just doing it without any intention to kill the animal in the kindest way possible. You do realise in Halal slaughtering farms, there is alot of wastage because if the animal accidentally dies before the blood drains out, the meat is thrown away because it's no longer halal. Slitting an animal's throat for bleeding is not mercy killing indeed - but it is the way ANY butchering works. Whatever religion, or none at all. About how a captive bolt gun works you have no clue. I gave you the link, you did not read it. If, then you might have noticed this: Quote from the link I gave above: "Captive bolt pistols are of three types: penetrating, non-penetrating, and free bolt. The use of penetrating captive bolts has largely been discontinued in commercial situations in order to minimize the risk of transmission of disease. In the penetrating type, the stunner uses a pointed bolt which is propelled by pressurized air or a blank cartridge. The bolt penetrates the skull of the animal, enters the cranium, and catastrophically damages the cerebrum and part of the cerebellum. Due to concussion, destruction of vital centers of the brain, and an increase in intracranial pressure, the animal loses consciousness. This method is currently the most effective type of stunning, since it physically destroys brain matter (increasing the probability of a successful stun), while also leaving the brain stem intact and thus ensuring the heart continues to pump during the exsanguination. One disadvantage of this method is that brain matter is allowed to enter the blood stream, possibly contaminating other tissue with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, colloquially known as mad cow disease). The action of a non-penetrating stunner is similar, but the bolt is blunt with a mushroom-shaped tip. The bolt strikes the forehead with great force and immediately retracts. This concussion is responsible for the unconsciousness of the animal. This type of stunner is less reliable at causing immediate and permanent unconsciousness than penetrating types; however, it has undergone a resurgence of popularity due to concerns about mad cow disease. In the European Union, this captive bolt design is required for slaughter of animals that will be used for pharmaceutical manufacture.[2] The free bolt stunner is used for the emergency, in-the-field euthanasia of large farm-animals that cannot be restrained. It differs from a true captive bolt gun in that the projectile is not retractable; it is similar in operation to a powder-actuated nail gun or conventional firearm. Capable of firing only when pressed firmly against a surface (typically the animal's forehead), the device fires a small projectile through the animal's skull. The veterinarian can then either leave the animal to die from the projectile wound, or administer lethal drugs. Use With cattle, goats, sheep, and horses,[3] a penetrating stunner is typically used since it destroys the cerebrum while leaving the brain stem intact; this results in a more consistently reliable stun, and ensures the animal's heart continues to beat during the bleeding process. Captive bolts allow for meat trimmings from the head to be salvaged. In some veal operations, a non-penetrating concussive stunner is used in order to preserve the brains for further processing. Captive bolt stunners are safer to use in most red meat slaughter situations. There is no danger of ricochet or over-penetration as there is with regular firearms." And this: "The goal of captive bolt stunning is to inflict a forceful strike on the forehead with the bolt in order to induce unconsciousness. The bolt may or may not destroy part of the brain." It is for stunning, not killing. That you don't know the difference, is obvious. That you are uninformed about what you post, is obvious too. As usual ...

WhoreMods -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 10:34:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit. I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster! Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy. Draining the blood out of an animal by slitting their throat is not mercy killing. It's just doing it that way for their own selfish religious nonsense, just doing it without any intention to kill the animal in the kindest way possible. You do realise in Halal slaughtering farms, there is alot of wastage because if the animal accidentally dies before the blood drains out, the meat is thrown away because it's no longer halal. That's what happens when you have imans rather than slaughtermen killing the livestock. If we are saying that bleeding cattle to death is unethical and abhorrent, whether they're stunned first or not though, that does raise a couple of interesting questions about your own dietary habits, Greta. Ever eaten veal or sashimi?

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 10:35:58 AM)
I htink greta is talking about a spike driven into the brain, also called a bolt afaik

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 3:53:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Knock the animal unconscious by driving a bolt in the animal's skull (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol) or electrocute with electrodes, then cut the throat. The whole point of bolt in animal skull is like a bullet in the head. If done to precision correctness. The animal will die a peaceful and quick instant death. As a human being, I will choose death by bolt to skull BEFORE I choose death by throat being slit. I am sure bolt to skull will help me die faster! Whatever you been "informing" yourself with is just Vegan people trying to make people stop eating ALL meat nonsense claiming that sometimes the bolt miss some vital points and the animal fails to die. But that is precision machine failure which can be fixed and improved to perform with more accuracy. ... Whatever you think how it works - it does not work that way at all. The usual machinery is non-penetrating since the days of mad cows disease. Not a matter of precision, a matter of avoiding spreading brain mass all over and into the animal. It has nothing to do with what method you would prefer to be applied to you. Short version: Knockout, not kill. Kill by throat cut - for centuries, until present and into foreseeable future. Anywhere, any religion involved, no religion involved. The animal does, however, not fail to die any way.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 4:05:16 PM)
BiNymph, when I was 15, I worked part time in an abattoir in Sunbury ( England) and we were using that method of killing the animals then. It's called a 'Bell-Gun' and from what I remember was almost instantaneous. It certainly wasn't Halal in those days, just the normal method, considered humane.

PeonForHer -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 4:40:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen https://vimeo.com/222287917 RM, do you not think it would be a good idea to do some research before posting here? I'm just thinking that, over and over again, your threads get trashed because you post links to nutty right wing websites without bothering to question said sites and, in general, look at counter arguments.

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/23/2017 4:53:58 PM)
the moral of your story is that the color of the paint job is all thats important not whats in the box. [8\|] got it.

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