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Big oil does not need subsidies. Pick whatever numbers you like.

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As long as it gets them, the whining about solar getting them is just bullshit.

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As long as it gets them, the whining about solar getting them is just bullshit.

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Couldn't you find a more biased source for your propaganda spew?

Even if it were true, it's not happening because government makes it happen, it's all up to the private sector.

Why do you hate Capitalism?

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As long as it gets them, the whining about solar getting them is just bullshit.

I think the whining about solar comes from a different source. The petro industry is up and running and is/could be entirely self sufficient. Renewables will never be up and running until there are efficient storage systems available. If you add the cost of...say...pumping water up hill during the day and then using its down hill flow at night to generate energy, solar is way more than three times more expensive than natural gas. So any subsidies now to make solar panel cheaper is pretty much just silly and political.

I will admit that getting the petro industry up and running in the early days was heavily subsidized by government and a change over to renewables would be a boon to all and well worth subsidizing when the technology is available. But at this time efficient energy storage is not available and so all the subsidies do is make cheaper solar panels which the Chinese already do.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As long as it gets them, the whining about solar getting them is just bullshit.

I think the whining about solar comes from a different source. The petro industry is up and running and is/could be entirely self sufficient. Renewables will never be up and running until there are efficient storage systems available. If you add the cost of...say...pumping water up hill during the day and then using its down hill flow at night to generate energy, solar is way more than three times more expensive than natural gas. So any subsidies now to make solar panel cheaper is pretty much just silly and political.

I will admit that getting the petro industry up and running in the early days was heavily subsidized by government and a change over to renewables would be a boon to all and well worth subsidizing when the technology is available. But at this time efficient energy storage is not available and so all the subsidies do is make cheaper solar panels which the Chinese already do.

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World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet

The rapid growth in renewable energy continues to put a dent in the demand for coal.

Coal India, the world's biggest coal mining company and producer of 82 percent of the country's coal, announced the closure of 37 mines that are financially "unviable."

The sites make up roughly nine percent of the total mines operated by Coal India. The company is expected save Rs 800 crore ($124 million) from the closures.

India's energy market is undergoing a rapid transformation as it moves away from fossil fuels. Last month, the country cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations.

Notably, solar has been cheaper than coal-based electricity in India for the past several months. According to Quartz:

"At an auction for 500 megawatt (MW) of capacity at the park on May 12, the state-run Solar Energy Corporation of India (SECI) managed to discover a record-low tariff of Rs 2.44 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). The previous low was two days before that when tariffs hit Rs 2.62 per kWh during auctions for another phase of Bhadla solar park.

"The country's largest power company, NTPC, sells electricity from its coal-based generation units at a princely Rs 3.20 per kWh."

The National Thermal Power Corporation of India said that the country currently hosts a solar power capacity of 845 megawatts, after the recent addition of a 225 megawatt solar farm, the Mandsaur Solar Power Project.

"India's solar sector has received heavy international investment, and the plummeting price of solar electricity has increased pressure on fossil fuel companies in the country," as The Independent reported. "The government has announced it will not build any more coal plants after 2022 and predicts renewables will generate 57 percent of its power by 2027—a pledge far outstripping its commitment in the Paris climate change agreement."

https://www.ecowatch.com/india-coal-mines-close-2446931737.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1498251928

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As long as it gets them, the whining about solar getting them is just bullshit.

I think the whining about solar comes from a different source. The petro industry is up and running and is/could be entirely self sufficient. Renewables will never be up and running until there are efficient storage systems available. If you add the cost of...say...pumping water up hill during the day and then using its down hill flow at night to generate energy, solar is way more than three times more expensive than natural gas. So any subsidies now to make solar panel cheaper is pretty much just silly and political.

I will admit that getting the petro industry up and running in the early days was heavily subsidized by government and a change over to renewables would be a boon to all and well worth subsidizing when the technology is available. But at this time efficient energy storage is not available and so all the subsidies do is make cheaper solar panels which the Chinese already do.

Yes and no.

While storage (and better batteries) is being pursued, two other approaches (that I'm aware of -- may be others) circumvent the storage issue.

- home owner banking: the home owner doesn't "sell" solar, but rather "banks" the credit, drawing from the grid when necessary, getting credited for any energy "banked."
- site specific solar (for larger uses): some places are sun drenched, and can focus strictly on production and transmission.

Yes, there are still power grid issues, but that's true of any energy production.

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It doesn't. All the energy goes to the grid, and the homeowner is given credit for that energy, and can draw up to it for free.

And if non-solar energy picks up some slack, it's still cleaner energy (less non-clean energy produced).

I mean, obviously. But by all means, nit-pick away. Meanwhile, we'll enjoy our missing electric bill.

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I suppose pointing out again that the "technically impossible " already exists on a large scale in multiple countries is probably pointless.

So lick the wax from your fingers and rant away.