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tweakabelle -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 9:08:26 AM)
Thanks for that link. Those new solar cells sound exciting. It's odd that some people who claim to be experienced in this area are adopting such a Luddite response to new technologies ...

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 9:18:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Thanks for that link. Those new solar cells sound exciting. It's odd that some people who claim to be experienced in this area are adopting such a Luddite response to new technologies ... It would be odd to a person with a woman's studies education who has no knowledge of anything outside kool aid served fresh daily.

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 9:25:04 AM)
~FR~ Now that we've settled that everyone is a poopy head for various reasons . . . The thread topic is new developments and achievements in solar.

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 9:34:09 AM)
Concur

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 6:16:42 PM)
Stanford University researchers led by civil engineer Mark Jacobson have developed detailed plans for each state in the union that to move to 100 percent wind, water and solar power by 2050 using only technology that’s already available. The plan, presented recently at the AAAS conference in Chicago, also forms the basis for The Solutions Project nonprofit. “The conclusion is that it’s technically and economically feasible." https://singularityhub.com/2014/03/08/100-renewable-energy-is-feasible-and-affordable-stanford-proposal-says/

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/3/2017 6:30:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Stanford University researchers led by civil engineer Mark Jacobson have developed detailed plans for each state in the union that to move to 100 percent wind, water and solar power by 2050 using only technology that’s already available. The plan, presented recently at the AAAS conference in Chicago, also forms the basis for The Solutions Project nonprofit. “The conclusion is that it’s technically and economically feasible." https://singularityhub.com/2014/03/08/100-renewable-energy-is-feasible-and-affordable-stanford-proposal-says/ In order to not be a poopie head, I'll defer comment for now.

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/4/2017 4:11:45 AM)
I'm a little skeptical of the 100% claim. But as most popular reporting of science does, it talks around the conclusions while glossing over the details.

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/4/2017 9:46:55 AM)
I guess your peeps aren't interested.

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 5:14:37 AM)
I wasn't aware I had peeps here. Send them 'round, and I'll start delegating.

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 9:12:58 AM)
Death of Coal: Even Banks Are Giving Up On a Coal Recovery With investors and utilities giving up on coal, there's little hope for a recovery. Five years ago, coal provided nearly half of all the electricity consumed in the U.S. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Today, the coal industry is rapidly going out of business. Coal plants are being shut down, miners are going out of business, and even import countries like China and India are turning their backs on coal. How did we get here and is a recovery ever going to take place? The answer may surprise you. The coal conundrum Renewable energy gets a lot of credit for the decline of coal. But if you want to know the real reason coal companies are struggling, you don't have to look further than natural gas. You can see in the chart below that natural gas generated about half the electricity coal did as recently as five years ago, but today natural gas is the No. 1 electricity source in the U.S. https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/28/death-of-coal-even-banks-are-giving-up-on-a-coal-r.aspx

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 9:27:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Death of Coal: Even Banks Are Giving Up On a Coal Recovery With investors and utilities giving up on coal, there's little hope for a recovery. Five years ago, coal provided nearly half of all the electricity consumed in the U.S. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Today, the coal industry is rapidly going out of business. Coal plants are being shut down, miners are going out of business, and even import countries like China and India are turning their backs on coal. How did we get here and is a recovery ever going to take place? The answer may surprise you. The coal conundrum Renewable energy gets a lot of credit for the decline of coal. But if you want to know the real reason coal companies are struggling, you don't have to look further than natural gas. You can see in the chart below that natural gas generated about half the electricity coal did as recently as five years ago, but today natural gas is the No. 1 electricity source in the U.S. https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/28/death-of-coal-even-banks-are-giving-up-on-a-coal-r.aspx Frankly, I'm betting on the hydrogen fuels your Stanford engineer was calling for. Once that technology is up and running I think it'll really change the market place for energy.

WickedsDesire -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 10:19:51 AM)
No one wants coal or oil - we all know that right? Save perhaps Americashire and Russiashire - but you all knew that right? Anyway how many millions of Jobs has Trump created in the coal mining industry and black gold industry?

WhoreMods -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 10:37:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Death of Coal: Even Banks Are Giving Up On a Coal Recovery With investors and utilities giving up on coal, there's little hope for a recovery. Five years ago, coal provided nearly half of all the electricity consumed in the U.S. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Today, the coal industry is rapidly going out of business. Coal plants are being shut down, miners are going out of business, and even import countries like China and India are turning their backs on coal. How did we get here and is a recovery ever going to take place? The answer may surprise you. The coal conundrum Renewable energy gets a lot of credit for the decline of coal. But if you want to know the real reason coal companies are struggling, you don't have to look further than natural gas. You can see in the chart below that natural gas generated about half the electricity coal did as recently as five years ago, but today natural gas is the No. 1 electricity source in the U.S. https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/28/death-of-coal-even-banks-are-giving-up-on-a-coal-r.aspx Are you building over the heads of closed down pits over there as well? Supposedly Brown looked into re-opening a few of the closed mines here at one pont, but they've mostly had sink estates built over the former workings in the last thirty years, so he gave up on that.

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 2:36:41 PM)
Mostly we're fighting over fracking. You know -- we have to frack for natural gas. There's nothing wrong with pumping toxic chemicals into the ground, and your flammable water faucet could be from any number causes completely unrelated to its starting when we started fracking.

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 2:54:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Mostly we're fighting over fracking. You know -- we have to frack for natural gas. There's nothing wrong with pumping toxic chemicals into the ground, and your flammable water faucet could be from any number causes completely unrelated to its starting when we started fracking. I'm not going to provide you a link, but it's been determined that whole flammable water faucet thing was fake news drummed up by environmentalists to scare people.

WhoreMods -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 3:01:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Mostly we're fighting over fracking. You know -- we have to frack for natural gas. There's nothing wrong with pumping toxic chemicals into the ground, and your flammable water faucet could be from any number causes completely unrelated to its starting when we started fracking. I'm not going to provide you a link, but it's been determined that whole flammable water faucet thing was fake news drummed up by environmentalists to scare people. I can provide a link: here you go.

Nnanji -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 3:16:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Mostly we're fighting over fracking. You know -- we have to frack for natural gas. There's nothing wrong with pumping toxic chemicals into the ground, and your flammable water faucet could be from any number causes completely unrelated to its starting when we started fracking. I'm not going to provide you a link, but it's been determined that whole flammable water faucet thing was fake news drummed up by environmentalists to scare people. I can provide a link: here you go. Thanks ever so much for demonstrating my point. You went back nearly five year to find that article. Here's some more recent articles. http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/19/study-finds-fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water-texas/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/4/epa-fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water/ http://www.newsweek.com/fracking-339436 http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/epa-fracking-drinking-water/ https://www.vox.com/2015/6/4/8730689/fracking-EPA-drinking-water

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/5/2017 7:07:19 PM)
More False Claims About Fracking - FactCheck.org The chairman of the Senate environment committee falsely claimed that a new report “confirms” that “hydraulic fracturing has not impacted drinking water” in Wyoming. The report said a lack of water quality data predating oil and gas exploration prevented it from reaching “firm conclusions.” Sen. James Inhofe, who chairs the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, made his remarks in a statement issued Nov. 10 — the day that the Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality issued a report on water-supply wells in Pavillion, a small town southeast of Yellowstone National Park. The industry-funded state report specifically looked at the “likelihood of impacts from oil and gas operations” on 14 water-supply wells used by residents living near Pavillion. Since the 1990s, residents in the area have “complained of physical ailments and said their drinking water was black and tasted of chemicals,” ProPublica reported. But that’s not what the report said. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/more-false-claims-about-fracking/

Musicmystery -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/6/2017 8:39:27 AM)
A lot of solar is oversold, admittedly. Tesla's "cheap as roof" solar tiles are definitely not at this point -- it would be cheaper to get a roof and add solar panels. Cool idea, but not cheaper. A lot of solar around here is sold to hippies as "no more expensive than over time." My partner wants solar based on this. My finance background kicks in here and points out that no, if you put that investment in an index fund and added the income you would have had from that after taxes, indeed, you'd do better financially to invest it and let the investment pay your electric bill. But it does keep coming down, and it is in reach for people who want it (my partner figures she'll do the "banking" option and then, since her roof will overproduce, use the excess by using as efficient an electric heat option she can find to heat the cooler areas -- not the surplus she sees, but at least a reasonable use of that money).

WhoreMods -> RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Solar Prices Plummet (7/6/2017 8:51:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery A lot of solar is oversold, admittedly. Tesla's "cheap as roof" solar tiles are definitely not at this point -- it would be cheaper to get a roof and add solar panels. Cool idea, but not cheaper. A lot of solar around here is sold to hippies as "no more expensive than over time." My partner wants solar based on this. My finance background kicks in here and points out that no, if you put that investment in an index fund and added the income you would have had from that after taxes, indeed, you'd do better financially to invest it and let the investment pay your electric bill. But it does keep coming down, and it is in reach for people who want it (my partner figures she'll do the "banking" option and then, since her roof will overproduce, use the excess by using as efficient an electric heat option she can find to heat the cooler areas -- not the surplus she sees, but at least a reasonable use of that money). What's the weather like round your way and how much land do you have? A small windfarm can be a lot more effective than solar panels.

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