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Well then they'd support water supply safety.

I support clean water. I'm don't support political people making a political scape goat out of.it when the system fails. The system fails, fix it, jail the people who broke the law, if any, get on with life. I don't mind if Obama had declared a state of emergency and thrown tons of money at it to fix it instead of leave it for a political side show for Clinton (the rape apologist) to use for her campaign. I really don't have anything to offer for brain eating bugs in the Louisiana water supply except that sucks.

Chlorine is cheap, the people there are aware of the issue.

If that's so, and yet there's a problem, this is where regulators step in to protect public safety.

It's no big surprise that when there are insufficient regulations and/or regulators, people do things they shouldn't to shave costs or boost profits.

It's not insufficient regulation causing the problem. We've been using chlorine as a disinfectant for a long time and all systems use it...or used it. But now, rather there is over regulation by the EPA that says chlorine disinfectant by products may cause cancer and saying it can't be used anymore. The alternative costs are exorbitant. UV systems that may kill bacteria at the plant but have no residual affect in the delivery system. Ozone systems the same.

Of course you didn't know any of this before you spouted your insufficient regulation crap. Which makes you an idiot...well, an uninformed idiot.

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Funny.. I just watched a vid done by PBS Nova called Poisoned Water which is about Flint & how the lead poisoning was discovered & how the govt tried to cover it up & doctor test results.. one of the way they did this is by telling the people whose water was being tested to run their taps for 5 minutes before taking the water sample.. doing that lowers lead levels dramatically, cuz the water that has the highest lead is the water that has been sitting in the pipes while lead is dissolving into it.. Anyone that can should watch that show cuz it is an example of how little you can trust any of them..

and btw,... one of those people who turned a blind eye to the whole thing was a former head & other employees of the fucking EPA!!!! So much for the EPA protecting your water...

"The following month, six more state employees were charged with misconduct in office for their alleged roles in contaminating Flint’s water supply. Those charges, against three Department of Health and Human Services employees and three from the Department of Environmental Quality, included claims that some had hid or disregarded test results showing high lead levels in the blood of Flint residents and had tampered with water test results sent to federal officials."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/20/four-more-officials-charged-with-felonies-in-flint-water-crisis/

A Democrat-run state, during the Obama years

I never knew Bobby Jindal was a Democrat.
It also appears the House and Senate also spent times under R control during that 8 years.

The article is about Flint, Michigan

(You are an idiot)

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February 2015 - The MDEQ notes some "hiccups" in the transition, including a buildup of TTHM, a cancer-causing byproduct of chlorine and organic matter. In a background paper submitted to Governor Rick Snyder, the MDEQ states that elevated TTHM levels are not an immediate health emergency because the risk of disease increases only after years of consumption. Snyder announces a $2 million dollar grant to fix problems in the pipes and sewers.

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Worldwide, the most common risk factor for liver cancer is chronic (long-term) infection with hepatitis B virus (HBV) or hepatitis C virus (HCV). These infections lead to cirrhosis of the liver (see above) and are responsible for making liver cancer the most common cancer in many parts of the world.
In the United States, infection with hepatitis C is the more common cause of HCC, while in Asia and developing countries, hepatitis B is more common. People infected with both viruses have a high risk of developing chronic hepatitis, cirrhosis, and liver cancer. The risk is even higher if they are heavy drinkers (at least 6 standard drinks a day).

HBV and HCV can spread from person to person through sharing contaminated needles (such as in drug use), unprotected sex, or childbirth. They can also be passed on through blood transfusions, although this is very rare in the United States since the start of blood product testing for these viruses. In developing countries, children sometimes contract hepatitis B infection from prolonged contact with family members who are infected.

HBV is more likely to cause symptoms, such as a flu-like illness and a yellowing of the eyes and skin (jaundice). But most people recover completely from HBV infection within a few months. Only a very small percentage of adults become chronic carriers (and have a higher risk for liver cancer). Infants and small children who become infected have a higher risk of becoming chronic carriers.

HCV, on the other hand, is less likely to cause symptoms. But most people with HCV develop chronic infections, which are more likely to lead to liver damage or even cancer.

Other viruses, such as the hepatitis A virus and hepatitis E virus, can also cause hepatitis. But people infected with these viruses do not develop chronic hepatitis or cirrhosis, and do not have an increased risk of liver cancer.

Cirrhosis

Cirrhosis is a disease in which liver cells become damaged and are replaced by scar tissue. People with cirrhosis have an increased risk of liver cancer. Most (but not all) people who develop liver cancer already have some evidence of cirrhosis.

There are several possible causes of cirrhosis. Most cases in the United States occur in people who abuse alcohol or have chronic HBV or HCV infections.

Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease

Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, a condition in which people who consume little or no alcohol develop a fatty liver, is common in obese people. People with a type of this disease known as non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) might go on to develop cirrhosis.

Primary biliary cirrhosis

Some types of autoimmune diseases that affect the liver can also cause cirrhosis. For example, there is also a disease called primary biliary cirrhosis (PBC). In PBC, the bile ducts in the liver are damaged and even destroyed which can lead to cirrhosis. People with advanced PBC have a high risk of liver cancer.

Inherited metabolic diseases

Certain inherited metabolic diseases can lead to cirrhosis.

People with hereditary hemochromatosis absorb too much iron from their food. The iron settles in tissues throughout the body, including the liver. If enough iron builds up in the liver, it can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.

Heavy alcohol use

Alcohol abuse is a leading cause of cirrhosis in the United States, which in turn is linked with an increased risk of liver cancer.

Obesity

Being obese (very overweight) increases the risk of developing liver cancer. This is probably because it can result in fatty liver disease and cirrhosis.

Type 2 diabetes

Type 2 diabetes has been linked with an increased risk of liver cancer, usually in patients who also have other risk factors such as heavy alcohol use and/or chronic viral hepatitis. This risk may be increased because people with type 2 diabetes tend to be overweight or obese, which in turn can cause liver problems.

Certain rare diseases

Diseases that increase the risk of liver cancer include:

Tyrosinemia
Alpha1-antitrypsin deficiency
Porphyria cutanea tarda
Glycogen storage diseases
Wilson disease
Aflatoxins

These cancer-causing substances are made by a fungus that contaminates peanuts, wheat, soybeans, ground nuts, corn, and rice. Storage in a moist, warm environment can lead to the growth of this fungus. Although this can occur almost anywhere in the world, it is more common in warmer and tropical countries. Developed countries such as the United States and those in Europe regulate the content of aflatoxins in foods through testing.

Long-term exposure to these substances is a major risk factor for liver cancer. The risk is increased even more in people with hepatitis B or C infections.

Vinyl chloride and thorium dioxide (Thorotrast)

Exposure to these chemicals raises the risk of angiosarcoma of the liver (see What is liver cancer?). It also increases the risk of developing cholangiocarcinoma and hepatocellular cancer, but to a far lesser degree. Vinyl chloride is a chemical used in making some kinds of plastics. Thorotrast is a chemical that in the past was injected into some patients as part of certain x-ray tests. When the cancer-causing properties of these chemicals were recognized, steps were taken to eliminate them or minimize exposure to them. Thorotrast is no longer used, and exposure of workers to vinyl chloride is strictly regulated.

Anabolic steroids

Anabolic steroids are male hormones used by some athletes to increase their strength and muscle mass. Long-term anabolic steroid use can slightly increase the risk of hepatocellular cancer. Cortisone-like steroids, such as hydrocortisone, prednisone, and dexamethasone, do not carry this same risk.

Arsenic

Drinking water contaminated with naturally occurring arsenic, such as that from some wells, over a long period of time increases the risk of some types of liver cancer. This is more common in parts of East Asia, but it might also be a concern in some areas of the United States.

Infection with parasites

Infection with the parasite that causes schistosomiasis can cause liver damage and is linked to liver cancer. This parasite is not found in the US, but infection can occur in Asia, Africa, and South America.

Tobacco use

Smoking increases the risk of liver cancer. Former smokers have a lower risk than current smokers, but both groups have a higher risk than those who never smoked.

Factors with unclear effects on liver cancer risk

Birth control pills

In rare cases, birth control pills, also known as oral contraceptives, can cause benign tumors called hepatic adenomas. But it is not known if they increase the risk of hepatocellular cancer. Some of the studies that have looked at this issue have suggested there may be a link, but most of the studies were not of high quality and looked at types of pills that are no longer used. Current birth control pills use different types of estrogens, different estrogen doses, and different combinations of estrogens with other hormones. It is not known if the newer pills increase liver cancer risk.

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Funny.. I just watched a vid done by PBS Nova called Poisoned Water which is about Flint & how the lead poisoning was discovered & how the govt tried to cover it up & doctor test results.. one of the way they did this is by telling the people whose water was being tested to run their taps for 5 minutes before taking the water sample.. doing that lowers lead levels dramatically, cuz the water that has the highest lead is the water that has been sitting in the pipes while lead is dissolving into it.. Anyone that can should watch that show cuz it is an example of how little you can trust any of them..

and btw,... one of those people who turned a blind eye to the whole thing was a former head & other employees of the fucking EPA!!!! So much for the EPA protecting your water...

"The following month, six more state employees were charged with misconduct in office for their alleged roles in contaminating Flint’s water supply. Those charges, against three Department of Health and Human Services employees and three from the Department of Environmental Quality, included claims that some had hid or disregarded test results showing high lead levels in the blood of Flint residents and had tampered with water test results sent to federal officials."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/20/four-more-officials-charged-with-felonies-in-flint-water-crisis/

A Democrat-run state, during the Obama years

I never knew Bobby Jindal was a Democrat.
It also appears the House and Senate also spent times under R control during that 8 years.

The article is about Flint, Michigan

(You are an idiot)

The topic is Louisiana.

You are a whiny, passive-aggressive bitch

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Well then they'd support water supply safety.

I support clean water. I'm don't support political people making a political scape goat out of.it when the system fails. The system fails, fix it, jail the people who broke the law, if any, get on with life. I don't mind if Obama had declared a state of emergency and thrown tons of money at it to fix it instead of leave it for a political side show for Clinton (the rape apologist) to use for her campaign. I really don't have anything to offer for brain eating bugs in the Louisiana water supply except that sucks.

Chlorine is cheap, the people there are aware of the issue.

If that's so, and yet there's a problem, this is where regulators step in to protect public safety.

It's no big surprise that when there are insufficient regulations and/or regulators, people do things they shouldn't to shave costs or boost profits.

It's not insufficient regulation causing the problem. We've been using chlorine as a disinfectant for a long time and all systems use it...or used it. But now, rather there is over regulation by the EPA that says chlorine disinfectant by products may cause cancer and saying it can't be used anymore. The alternative costs are exorbitant. UV systems that may kill bacteria at the plant but have no residual affect in the delivery system. Ozone systems the same.

Of course you didn't know any of this before you spouted your insufficient regulation crap. Which makes you an idiot...well, an uninformed idiot.

Reading comprehension dude.

That post starts with the conditional "If that's so . . . "

The rest of your rant assumes an entire chemical argument you invented for me.

I see the position of Straw King will be contested this year.

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Indeed, reading comprehension.

You are (yet again) off on some rant/crusade that has NOTHING to do with any point I've raised.

You're arguing all by yourself, making up both parts, and complaining that the real life me isn't the one in your head.

If you're gonna do both parts, get some puppets, and don't post it to me.

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Funny.. I just watched a vid done by PBS Nova called Poisoned Water which is about Flint & how the lead poisoning was discovered & how the govt tried to cover it up & doctor test results.. one of the way they did this is by telling the people whose water was being tested to run their taps for 5 minutes before taking the water sample.. doing that lowers lead levels dramatically, cuz the water that has the highest lead is the water that has been sitting in the pipes while lead is dissolving into it.. Anyone that can should watch that show cuz it is an example of how little you can trust any of them..

and btw,... one of those people who turned a blind eye to the whole thing was a former head & other employees of the fucking EPA!!!! So much for the EPA protecting your water...

"The following month, six more state employees were charged with misconduct in office for their alleged roles in contaminating Flint’s water supply. Those charges, against three Department of Health and Human Services employees and three from the Department of Environmental Quality, included claims that some had hid or disregarded test results showing high lead levels in the blood of Flint residents and had tampered with water test results sent to federal officials."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/20/four-more-officials-charged-with-felonies-in-flint-water-crisis/

A Democrat-run state, during the Obama years

I never knew Bobby Jindal was a Democrat.
It also appears the House and Senate also spent times under R control during that 8 years.

The article is about Flint, Michigan

(You are an idiot)

To be fair, the OP was about brain eating bugs in Louisiana's water supply. Tj444 hijacked the tread so she could be morally outraged. Goodness, it always amuses me how leftists that want a huge nanny state government are always bitching about the government and never get a clue.

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From the Louisiana department of health.

LDH Confirms Naegleria Fowleri Ameba in North Monroe, Schriever Water Systems
Drinking water is safe to consume, but residents should take precautions
June 29, 2017
Routine drinking water testing by the Louisiana Department of Health has confirmed the presence of Naegleria fowleri, an ameba that occurs naturally in freshwater, in Ouachita Parish’s North Monroe Water System and Terrebonne Parish’s Schriever Water System.

The tap water is safe for residents to drink, but the Department urges residents to avoid getting water in their noses.

The Louisiana Department of Health notified the water system and local officials Thursday afternoon. The Department asked the water system to convert the disinfection method to the free chlorine method for a period of 60 days to ensure that any remaining ameba in the system are eliminated.

The Louisiana Department of Health has routinely tested for this ameba since 2015. The Department conducts sampling of public drinking water systems for Naegleria fowleri each summer when temperatures rise, and has collected a total of 540 samples for this ameba since 2013.

Naegleria fowleri causes a disease called primary amebic meningoencephalitis (PAM), which is a brain infection that leads to the destruction of brain tissue. In its early stages, symptoms of PAM may be similar to bacterial meningitis.

Precautionary Measures for Families

According to the CDC, every resident can take simple steps to help reduce their risk of Naegleria fowleri infection. Individuals should focus on limiting the amount of water going up their nose. Preventative measures recommended by the CDC include the following:

DO NOT allow water to go up your nose or sniff water into your nose when bathing, showering, washing your face, or swimming in small hard plastic/blow-up pools.
DO NOT jump into or put your head under bathing water (bathtubs, small hard plastic/blow-up pools); walk or lower yourself into the water.
DO NOT allow children to play unsupervised with hoses or sprinklers, as they may accidentally squirt water up their nose. Avoid slip-n-slides or other activities where it is difficult to prevent water going up the nose.
DO run bath and shower taps and hoses for five minutes before use to flush out the pipes. This is most important the first time you use the tap after the water utility raises the disinfectant level.
DO keep small hard plastic/blow-up pools clean by emptying, scrubbing and allowing them to dry after each use.
DO use only boiled and cooled, distilled or sterile water for making sinus rinse solutions for neti pots or performing ritual ablutions.
If you need to manually top off the water in your swimming pool with tap water, follow the guidance below.
DO ensure that the filter is running and top off your pool by adding water directly into the skimmer box. The hose should not be submerged into the skimmer box or pool water. Hold the end of your hose in the air at least two inches above the flood-level rim of the skimmer box. This can be accomplished by securing the hose to a heavy object such as a chair or cinder block above the skimmer and ensuring the hose will run into the skimmer box without the hose being submerged.
DO NOT top off your pool by submerging the hose in the body of the pool.
DO keep your swimming pool or hot tub adequately disinfected before and during use. Adequate disinfection standards are listed below.
For pools, keep pH levels from 7.2 to 7.8. If you are using cyanuric acid-free chlorine, use between two and 10 parts per million. If you are not using cyanuric acid-free chlorine, keep chlorine levels at one to three parts per million.
For hot tubs and spas, keep pH levels from 7.2 to 7.8, and keep either free chlorine levels from two to four parts per million or free bromine levels from four to six parts per million.
Residents should continue these precautions until testing no longer confirms the presence of the ameba in the water system. The water system will notify residents when that occurs. For more information, visit http://www.ldh.la.gov/index.cfm/page/1696.

The Louisiana Department of Health strives to protect and promote health statewide and to ensure access to medical, preventive and rehabilitative services for all state residents. To learn more about LDH, visit www.ldh.la.gov. For up-to-date health information, news and emergency updates, follow LDH's Twitter account, Facebook and blog.
http://www.ldh.la.gov/index.cfm/newsroom/detail/4284

who needs the EPA or water safety???, lead and brain eating amoeba,
and will become more common as pond and reservoir waters warm up due to warming weather. These critters reside in the mud at the bottom of bodies of water. Funny they say the water is safe to drink, but don't get it up your nose.... Shower spray? Face washing in the bathroom sink? Running through the garden hose spray and using the Slip-n-slide in the back yard? oh summer is here.

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Funny.. I just watched a vid done by PBS Nova called Poisoned Water which is about Flint & how the lead poisoning was discovered & how the govt tried to cover it up & doctor test results.. one of the way they did this is by telling the people whose water was being tested to run their taps for 5 minutes before taking the water sample.. doing that lowers lead levels dramatically, cuz the water that has the highest lead is the water that has been sitting in the pipes while lead is dissolving into it.. Anyone that can should watch that show cuz it is an example of how little you can trust any of them..

and btw,... one of those people who turned a blind eye to the whole thing was a former head & other employees of the fucking EPA!!!! So much for the EPA protecting your water...

"The following month, six more state employees were charged with misconduct in office for their alleged roles in contaminating Flint’s water supply. Those charges, against three Department of Health and Human Services employees and three from the Department of Environmental Quality, included claims that some had hid or disregarded test results showing high lead levels in the blood of Flint residents and had tampered with water test results sent to federal officials."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/20/four-more-officials-charged-with-felonies-in-flint-water-crisis/

A Democrat-run state, during the Obama years

I never knew Bobby Jindal was a Democrat.
It also appears the House and Senate also spent times under R control during that 8 years.

The article is about Flint, Michigan

(You are an idiot)

To be fair, the OP was about brain eating bugs in Louisiana's water supply. Tj444 hijacked the tread so she could be morally outraged. Goodness, it always amuses me how leftists that want a huge nanny state government are always bitching about the government and never get a clue.

oh bull shit.. I never hijacked anything.. the govt tells people their water is safe, I showed a very recent example where the govt repeatedly insisted their water was safe but it wasnt! that is disgusting.. people depend on those who are supposed to know wtf they are doing and to protect them/their water but how can you trust any of them when even the EPA are fuck ups?

My point was you cant trust any of them.. How many times in how many cities does the same thing need to play out? Do you know for a fact that your water is safe for you & your family to drink? Have you even looked into it? You know that Flint isnt the only city that has high lead (or "bugs") in the water, dont you? At least if the water isnt safe tell people, dont lie to them.. if its not safe then they will do things to protect themselves by buying bottled water or getting the right kind of filter for what is in the water, etc.. or even move to a city that does have safe water.. But you cant protect yourself if the govt lies to you..

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* shrug *

It's your fiction.

I just refused to be one of the actors.

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A lying pig is a lying pig.
same shit still snuffling.
Put up or shut up, lying pig

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Too much regulations are causing the problem, so the alt left solution is more regulation

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Too much regulations are causing the problem

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Too much regulations are causing the problem, so the alt left solution is more regulation

There's a couple of different responses to that.

We can ask Lucy her opinion and either she'll come on all tough and call us liars even though we're just asking her opinion.

We could ask Lucy and she'll ask a big man, like the mental patient, to come and save her by felchgobbling.

We could assume that jif's thread the other day about Trump poisoning millions of people by dumping yet new EPA regulations on water is actually true.

We can assume anything Obama actually did (not like threatening a red line) was way in excess of any governmental regulation needed.

We can assume that over regulation may be either the culprit or a contributing factor.

We surely know, despite what MM is pretending he didn't say, that it wasn't under regulation.

Or we can call someone that really knows, probably not someone in the news media, and find out facts rather than assume the govt guys who run the water system are all liars who want our brains eaten by bugs.

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Too much regulations are causing the problem, so the alt left solution is more regulation

There's a couple of different responses to that.

We can ask Lucy her opinion and either she'll come on all tough and call us liars even though we're just asking her opinion.

We could ask Lucy and she'll ask a big man, like the mental patient, to come and save her by felchgobbling.

We could assume that jif's thread the other day about Trump poisoning millions of people by dumping yet new EPA regulations on water is actually true.

We can assume anything Obama actually did (not like threatening a red line) was way in excess of any governmental regulation needed.

We can assume that over regulation may be either the culprit or a contributing factor.

We surely know, despite what MM is pretending he didn't say, that it wasn't under regulation.

Or we can call someone that really knows, probably not someone in the news media, and find out facts rather than assume the govt guys who run the water system are all liars who want our brains eaten by bugs.

Yanno, all the trolling and personal attacks have just sucked the life out of these boards entirely.