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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 12:24:49 AM   
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of course what the rothschild keyensians did was to replace a self sustaining system with play monopoly money by causing wars


If you knew the least fuckall about any history, then you'd know that war was around several millennia before the Rothshilds supposedly invented it. As was interest on loans before the Rothschilds supposedly invented it. As was massive destruction for self-interest before the Rothschilds supposedly invented it.

You don't read much, or not much with any valid or historically legitimate provenance, do you?

Given your interests, have you not at least come upon the stratagem of a distraction, or a feint, and can you not recognize thereby what's going on with all the Rothschilds crap with easy suckers like you and termy?

Here's a clue:

You're all worried about the bait thrown before you, in the name of the Rothschilds.

To distract you from the modern-day Charles Martel* cartel coming straight down on your head.


* "Charles the Hammer"



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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:19:33 AM   
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I did a pv once on this very board to demonstrate how a million dollars put in a bank in 1933 and untouched till 2007 then withdrawn winds up being only 400,000 after deducting taxes and inflation, without the need for any new paper!

Had it been gold it would have increased from 1 million to about 20 million.


What a sucker.

In the first place, your claim of $20 million is in fact $16 million if using legitimate sources.

But before that, who in his or her right mind would leave $1 million in a non-interest bearing account to begin with? Do you know anybody personally who is that stupid? (oh, wait . . .)

In whatever case, the price of gold was artificially held to an arbitrarily agreed rate (value) by the central banks du jour of England and the US, as was in place in 1933.

Direct us to anywhere in recent history that the stock market got such a boost as gold did when it finally came on the market in 1973?

-That was an IPO for all ages.-

I'm not even going to look up the numbers right now, but I feel certain that from 1974 onwards the S&P 500 has done as well or better than gold in the same period.


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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:34:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		And so there's this:

http://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart

When looking at the first chart, understand that the lower the blue line is, the greater the value of gold vs. the S&P 500. The higher the blue line, the greater the value of the S&P 500 vs. gold.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:09:34 PM   
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Brilliant!
Lot of good it does to post your inapplicable chart, might want to understand what you are looking at first.






as inflation increases and your buying power is flushed down the shitter prices are forced to go up.


Since the end of the gold standard with the create federal farce, all we do is chase never ending inflation, the only intrinsic value the toilet paper they produce has is for wiping your ass and keeping score.

People wo have little to no knowledge of the markets, mostly middle to lower class, get their asses handed to them and are completely clueless of the fraudulent system the overlords have built for them.

Incidentally, that picture of the money is not scaled in a manner to properly show how we are getting our asses kicked.

Its very easy to understand the effects of inflation since an oz of gold used to be 20 bucks, now 1200, (and it was 1900 bucks/oz until IMF started dumping the gold they are hoarding into the market (to cover the banking debacle where 49 bankers committed suicide) which is why we see the sharp drop a few years ago), do the math yourselves.





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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:30:10 PM   
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Who controls the world - I need to think about that some more

Its not the fuking rothchilds either - Christ

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:35:01 PM   
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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:43:27 PM   
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take your time as you gobble at your mamma's teat, criminal

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 1:52:30 PM   
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Ziojiz?

take your time as you gobble at your mamma's teat, criminal


and you are too fucking stoopid to realize that claiming I am a criminal when I have no criminal record what so ever is libel and you become liable for suit not to mention violate the TOS. dumbass.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 2:03:06 PM   
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Your threats are of no meaning to me you pathetic fuking wretch - we clear on this?

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 2:47:16 PM   
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Brilliant!
Lot of good it does to post your inapplicable chart, might want to understand what you are looking at first.


If you understood anything I said or could understand the chart I referenced, you'd understand that I was speaking in nominal, not in inflation-adjusted terms, to match your presentations.

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quote:

Since the end of the gold standard with the create federal farce, all we do is chase never ending inflation, the only intrinsic value the toilet paper they produce has is for wiping your ass and keeping score.


Everything you say makes perfect sense to an idiot who puts all his money into a non-interest bearing account or under the mattress instead of the S&P 500 or even a CD. It doesn't matter if in nominal terms or 'real' (inflation adjusted) terms, the S&P has done better than gold from 1974 onward, aside the occasional temporary reverse.

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People wo have little to no knowledge of the markets,


Speaking of which . . .

You don't have a clue of what money is or ever has been to begin with, much less any understanding of financial markets or stock or commodity markets.

People didn't throw some two gram micro-bar of gold on the counter to pay for things, they used gold or iron or silver or copper coin stamped with the insignia of the empire of the time.

The crown insignia is the only item of relevance, here, and it's never been any different.

Even in terms of modern electronic exchange or transfer of funds, the protocols for that are instituted and regulated by the powers that be, just like always.

It's a medium of exchange and a unit of account, not something to put under the mattress, except for idiots.

Gold was expedient to the task way back when it was hard to obtain gold and the crown stamp at the same time. It had zilch and nada to do with any notion of 'intrinsic value.'

And again, you are too stupid to understand that you are logically crossing yourself in saying that things only work well with an artificially and arbitrarily derived 'gold standard' to keep the price of gold and everything else at a certain level, while then spouting the virtues of gold as an investment, financial virtues of the latter as could only be obtained outside of a 'gold standard' which would otherwise restrict any gain to zero.








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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 2:53:05 PM   
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Steve Bannon Controls the orange shat - we all clear on this? You all fuking know this right?

Who controls steve?

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 3:29:58 PM   
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And so there's this:

http://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart

When looking at the first chart, understand that the lower the blue line is, the greater the value of gold vs. the S&P 500. The higher the blue line, the greater the value of the S&P 500 vs. gold.

What seems to be misunderstood is that the dollar in your pocket is merely a financial derivative and history has never claimed it to be anything else.

To have a so-called gold standard has never prevented govt. or bankers from printing up more currency.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 3:31:22 PM   
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Brilliant!
Lot of good it does to post your inapplicable chart, might want to understand what you are looking at first.


If you understood anything I said or could understand the chart I referenced, you'd understand that I was speaking in nominal, not in inflation-adjusted terms, to match your presentations.




ah huh, and if you had a fucking clue what I was talking about you would have kept your flap trap shut and asked questions instead of wasting your time yipping away in your previous 3 meanless posts that you incorrectly applied to what I said.

and your ridiculous strawman bullshit red herring argument that no one would leave money in the bank further shows your ignorance regarding the monetary prison we are in thanks to our overlords.

It is the gubmints job to protect us commercially, instead they in collusion with the bankster cartel milk us. I know way the fuck over your head, you proved that.

I should be able to take a 1 dollar bill that I labored for, put it on the table today and 10 years from now purchase 'about' the same amount of goods, well it dont fucking work that way.

The difference over the course of those 10 years was stolen from me by the gubmint and company through their own greed and mismanagement.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 3:34:54 PM   
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Who controls the energy?

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 3:42:05 PM   
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And so there's this:

http://www.macrotrends.net/1437/sp500-to-gold-ratio-chart

When looking at the first chart, understand that the lower the blue line is, the greater the value of gold vs. the S&P 500. The higher the blue line, the greater the value of the S&P 500 vs. gold.

What seems to be misunderstood is that the dollar in your pocket is merely a financial derivative and history has never claimed it to be anything else.

To have a so-called gold standard has never prevented govt. or bankers from printing up more currency.


yep which is why the constitution states only gold, was to be used, the same constitution that we can wipe our asses with with respect to speech, religion and privacy most everything else.

Of course using gold people would scrape slivers off the coins and wear would reduce the value of the coin, hence the creation of printed certificates, in which you could walk up to any federal reserve bank window and redeem for silver in the case of a silver cert.

Today they print the shit 'virtualy' out of thin air.

People work their asses off all their lives only to have it stolen in thousands of little cuts and through inflation and deflation exactly as the guys who wrote the constitution said would happen.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 3:52:26 PM   
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To have a so-called gold standard has never prevented govt. or bankers from printing up more currency.



Right like every other constitutional violation, they create a new euphemism and label it law.

Arms meaning any weapon, reduced to 'guns'
Exercising Religion, reduced to praying
Speech, reduced to nonunsulting
Money reduced to legal tender.

...and then the asshelmets argue over the fringe not the fabric its attached to

They fuck us with impunity because we have no control what sover over the machine except in our wildest imagination, and believe me people have to be delusional to believe rah rah gubmint shit they taught us in school..






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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 4:09:22 PM   
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and your ridiculous strawman bullshit red herring argument that no one would leave money in the bank further shows your ignorance regarding the monetary prison we are in thanks to our overlords.


I actually said something to the effect that no one with half a brain would leave a million dollars in a non-interest bearing account, but carry on . . .
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I should be able to take a 1 dollar bill that I labored for, put it on the table today and 10 years from now purchase 'about' the same amount of goods,


Okay, you got me on that one.

Here I was talking about non-interest bearing accounts and mattresses, but now we have leaving a dollar bill on the kitchen table as best way to advance and enhance one's retirement fund.

So yes, If you don't want your money or your retirement fund to grow (in real, not nominal terms), a gold standard is the only way to go.

But anybody who isn't a dumbfuck (not mentioning names, here) can easily put saved money to conservative investments which handily outpace inflation.


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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 4:18:56 PM   
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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 4:25:36 PM   
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It's too easy.

If you want to do something like 2-8% above inflation, you'll have to get that on your own.

But if the company can afford a janitor, they can afford somebody who can stay ahead of inflation.

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RE: Who REALLY Controls the World ? - 7/7/2017 4:35:01 PM   
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Why is gold so valuable to us anyways? I mean... gold itself doesn't do anything for you. Why base anything for value which actually has no value. I mean, it's just a pretty rock isn't it? I mean, personally, i can take it or leave it.


Value has always been an arbitrarily derived equilibration between supplier and demander.

At the moment, India demands a lot of gold because of their attachment to gold jewelry, and everybody else in the world (but India too) uses electronics which use gold-plated contact points and connections. Gold is marginally better than copper in terms of electrical conductivity, less in that regard vs. silver, but far superior to either in resistance to corrosion in open air or water (or high humidity).

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