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respectmen -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/5/2017 6:23:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I'll say here what I've said before. RM today is exactly like the feminist in the 60's. A lone voice calling for equality. And you Peon, in this case, are just like all of those construction workers, whatever workers, that hooted that feminist down. I find it sad that you're repeating history only a few decades old. Agree, or not, with RM, I'll not care either way what you do. But, you just look exactly like the thugs on the Berkeley campus hooting down women calling for equality in the sixties. Yes, I can see that, Nnanji. I'm out there with my skinhead haircut, devoid of education, devoid of any understanding or even a care about what 'equality' might mean ... I beat up MRA types, I even rape them occasionally .... Yes, direct equivalence. RM isn't interested in equality. He doesn't care about it; indeed, he shows know sign of really having thought about it. He just hates feminists, that's all. If that's the case, RM is exactly like those feminists. It's not the case. It's a straw man that peon and other detractors use as a diversion to skirt around the actual point that they keep running away from. In this case, if feminists were truly about equality, why aren't they spending half of the funding they get on men?

longwayhome -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/5/2017 10:48:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/ So this is the standard of "news" report you are relying on these days. In your own words "Gotta larf big time!". Incidentally you have argued in the past that equality doesn't mean everyone getting exactly the same, but now on this specific subject, it is the thing you use to dismiss services some countries provide for men. Women receive a gynaecology service that men don't have access to. Strangely enough I don't want to use a gynaecology service. I have no problem with women receiving different services. As my previous post indicated the "services" men have been receiving have led to a huge decrease in violence against men. It is a shame that we cannot get the same results for women in our society.

LadyPact -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:46:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen I'm not denying that there are services for men who are abused so please stop making out that I claimed stuff that I never did. The point is that there is way more services and support for women than there is for men. That's not equality you fucking moron. This is the problem that you and other gynocentrists will keep dodging and skirting around. Oh but there are more female victims compared to male victims? How is that any better than saying just because blacks are a minority, we should care about them less? Most violence OUTSIDE OF DV committed against men are by men. This is about DV, not violent crime in general. So back to DV. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/ You are more likely to be a victim of DV if you're in a lesbian relationship. Gotta larf big time! Here are some more facts on DV. http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/children/childabuse/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-various-studies-find/2366/ "It's all about the Benjamins." There are more services for women than men. Let's talk about why... In most heterosexual households, it's usually the man who has the greater financial capability to leave. He's more likely to be the PRIMARY on a joint checking account, have the higher credit score, and has more access to instant cash if he needs a place to go. He's more likely to have a job and the ability to earn a paycheck. He's probably not the person who has gaps in his employment history due to maternity leave, caring for an elderly parent, or any other family matter. He's more likely to have a higher education, and even if he doesn't, he's more likely to be hired even for day labor. Most men have the financial ability to leave. A lot of women don't.

tweakabelle -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 6:59:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Feminists are more willing to help women than they are to help men. This is a fact peon. If you disagree, prove me wrong. Of course feminists are willing to help women than men. Feminism is about women obtaining equality with men. At the moment, the scales are weighted heavily in mens' favour. Men don't need feminists' help to obtain equality - they are already in a dominant position. So if you wish to balance the scales, then your best option is to help women more than men.' It is not feminism's nor feminists' role to agitate on behalf of men. OTOH that would be arrogant of feminists OTOH it is a task that must and can only be carried out by men. It is not a role that feminists can play want to play or should play. It is stupid to insist that feminists adopt this role. quote: If you're more willing to help women compared to men, you're obviously not about equality ... [snip] . This doesn't make any sense. It doesn't follow that "you're obviously not about equality ... if you're more willing to help women compared to men". It doesn't follow at all. For instance, women might be more in need of that help than men, as is the actual case in the real world. In that situation, if your goal is achieving equality, then the only sensible approach would be to help women more than men - anything else would exacerbate inequality ... Again you are making an assertion that, upon scrutiny, turns out to be just plain stupid.

LadyPact -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 2:14:55 PM)
This is as good a place as any. Believe it or not, there are some things that rm says that I agree with. There SHOULD be support services for men. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say 'half the money spent on services should be for men,' because frankly, that's not how the money is being used. We still need to make an effort to encourage men to report. The stigma is high for men and we need to be working on that. Now, I know that we're on a kink site and there's always a lot of bluster about whether people have the RIGHT to leave, or to have all of their money controlled, and other fun stuff that we do in the name of BDSM. Whatever it is that people think, yes, you DO have the right to leave an abusive relationship. Your gender, age, race, religion, sexual or kink orientation don't change that. What we probably should be doing is giving folks tips and advice about HOW to get out of DV situations, because THOSE situations are what are ruining people's lives.

respectmen -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 2:53:37 PM)
Tweak quote: Of course feminists are willing to help women than men. Feminism is about women obtaining equality with men You just contracted your self. It's the total opposite of equality to consider one gender over the other. This shouldn't be about what gender you are, this should be taken by each individual case. Instead of taking things case by case, it's taken by what genitals you have between your legs. That's pure and blatant discrimination. quote: At the moment, the scales are weighted heavily in mens' favour. That is sooooo fucking laughable. How can things be weighed in men's favour WHEN WOMEN GET MORE SUPPORT THAN MEN for DV simply for being women? How the flying fuck are you making any sense? How can someone be so damn stupid to sit here with a straight face and claim that things are heavily weighed in favour of men when we all know that there is a 1000 times more support for women compared to men? You have to be a compete moron to say what I just quoted from you. It's so funny. The painful truth is that the scales are weighed heavily in favour of women. That's why: 1. Women get more support for being a victim of DV 2. Women get more support for being a victim of rape 3. Women get more support for homelessness 4. There is more government funding for women's health compared to men's 5. Anything petty women complain about, such as manspreading, it gets taken seriously. The mainstream media listen, the justice system listens. When men complain about a male issue that is far bigger, it gets ignored. The pendulum has swung very very very very very very very heavily in favour of women. quote: Men don't need feminists' help to obtain equality - they are already in a dominant position. Men need more help than women to obtain equality as there is this fucking massive whopper empathy gap that's in favour of women. As I said, something very petty like manspreading gets taken seriously while every single male issue doesn't get taken seriously. If you can't see the major imbalance, you must be suffering a serious mental illness. That said, how exactly are men in a dominant position? This is completely false and a ludicrous standpoint. I'm curious though if you can explain this in logical detail...if possible. quote: So if you wish to balance the scales, then your best option is to help women more than men.' Women are already helped more than men, times a 1000. This is why the scales are imbalanced to begin with. A reasonable and logical person would judge things case by case instead of gender by gender. quote: It is not feminism's nor feminists' role to agitate on behalf of men. Yet feminists expect men to help the cause of feminism. If men turned their backs on feminism, what would happen? Feminists are the biggest hypocrites that ever drew breath. It's so damn hypocritical to expect men to support the needs of feminism while telling men that feminism isn't obligated to help men. The relationship between men and feminism is a one way street. Men are expected to give give give but how dare men expect feminism to return the favour. It's such a selfish movement. Any male who supports it obviously has no self respect. quote: For instance, women might be more in need of that help than men, as is the actual case in the real world. On one hand, feminists insist that women can be and do anything men can be and do. Women are equals. There shouldn't be gender identity etc etc. Women don't need men. On the other hand, feminists keep insisting that women should have a crutch with everything and have special assistance and special treatment. Feminists can't seem to make up their minds. They keep chopping and changing depending which one is needed at the time. It's either this hand or that hand.

PeonForHer -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:10:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact This is as good a place as any. Believe it or not, there are some things that rm says that I agree with. There SHOULD be support services for men. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say 'half the money spent on services should be for men,' because frankly, that's not how the money is being used. We still need to make an effort to encourage men to report. The stigma is high for men and we need to be working on that. Now, I know that we're on a kink site and there's always a lot of bluster about whether people have the RIGHT to leave, or to have all of their money controlled, and other fun stuff that we do in the name of BDSM. Whatever it is that people think, yes, you DO have the right to leave an abusive relationship. Your gender, age, race, religion, sexual or kink orientation don't change that. What we probably should be doing is giving folks tips and advice about HOW to get out of DV situations, because THOSE situations are what are ruining people's lives. Careful, LP. You're showing approval for stuff that feminists have approved of. However, feminists have also approved of e.g. jokes about killing men. So if you have approved of that stuff, making you a feminist, then you must approve of the idea of it being fun to kill men, too. I am shocked and saddened that you approve of jokes about killing me, LP. [:(]

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I'll say here what I've said before. RM today is exactly like the feminist in the 60's. A lone voice calling for equality. And you Peon, in this case, are just like all of those construction workers, whatever workers, that hooted that feminist down. I find it sad that you're repeating history only a few decades old. Agree, or not, with RM, I'll not care either way what you do. But, you just look exactly like the thugs on the Berkeley campus hooting down women calling for equality in the sixties. Yes, I can see that, Nnanji. I'm out there with my skinhead haircut, devoid of education, devoid of any understanding or even a care about what 'equality' might mean ... I beat up MRA types, I even rape them occasionally .... Yes, direct equivalence. RM isn't interested in equality. He doesn't care about it; indeed, he shows know sign of really having thought about it. He just hates feminists, that's all. If that's the case, RM is exactly like those feminists. It's not the case. It's a straw man that peon and other detractors use as a diversion to skirt around the actual point that they keep running away from. In this case, if feminists were truly about equality, why aren't they spending half of the funding they get on men? Have you NOT done the %'s? Bud...chics cost money. (Chics are worth the money). Do you need some rudimentary assistance as to how a calculator works? (If there were no chics...we'd all be banging our heads against clay walls). Do you need any further assistance?

stef -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Believe it or not, there are some things that rm says that I agree with. There SHOULD be support services for men. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say 'half the money spent on services should be for men,' because frankly, that's not how the money is being used. We still need to make an effort to encourage men to report. The stigma is high for men and we need to be working on that. You're daring to bring reality in to world of the whiny babyman? This won't end well.

PeonForHer -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:25:28 PM)
quote: The painful truth is that the scales are weighed heavily in favour of women. RM, you are just not getting this. The scales of justice, across the world, and for an eternity, have always been weighted in favour of men and against women. You're not seeing what you've got that women don't have. Women don't get why you can't see what you've got that they don't have. This is why, time and time and time again your posts here dissolve into misery. For Christ's sake, man - you are a bloke. You are almost certainly a lot bigger and stronger than all but a tiny few of the women around you. You will never get pregnant. Nobody of the opposite sex will be able to force herself on you physically . The world about you - almost everything you could look at, through your window, now - was built by men. We built the roads, the houses, the tower blocks; we built all the machines that are in them and on them. It is indeed a man's world, RM. We men built it for ourselves, primarily. Grow a heart, RM. Learn to see how the world we've made works for us, but less so for our womenfolk. Know your strength and be kind, for feck's sake - it won't hurt you that much.

Musicmystery -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:25:31 PM)
So, some feminist friends were discussing this matter with us while waiting for the train . . . [image]https://static.tumblr.com/2e2129ac4a394ad5ea644e972f9b9b18/ytsxioi/Oujnamt59/tumblr_static_filename_2048_v2.jpg[/image]

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen I'm not denying that there are services for men who are abused so please stop making out that I claimed stuff that I never did. The point is that there is way more services and support for women than there is for men. That's not equality you fucking moron. This is the problem that you and other gynocentrists will keep dodging and skirting around. Oh but there are more female victims compared to male victims? How is that any better than saying just because blacks are a minority, we should care about them less? Most violence OUTSIDE OF DV committed against men are by men. This is about DV, not violent crime in general. So back to DV. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/ You are more likely to be a victim of DV if you're in a lesbian relationship. Gotta larf big time! Here are some more facts on DV. http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/children/childabuse/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-various-studies-find/2366/ "It's all about the Benjamins." There are more services for women than men. Let's talk about why... In most heterosexual households, it's usually the man who has the greater financial capability to leave. He's more likely to be the PRIMARY on a joint checking account, have the higher credit score, and has more access to instant cash if he needs a place to go. He's more likely to have a job and the ability to earn a paycheck. He's probably not the person who has gaps in his employment history due to maternity leave, caring for an elderly parent, or any other family matter. He's more likely to have a higher education, and even if he doesn't, he's more likely to be hired even for day labor. Most men have the financial ability to leave. A lot of women don't. Honey...that is just not (literally) true. Most men (60 some % are married...could be plus or minus a nominal amount...I didn't actually do the research) can't leave...because they're "burdened" with children (note the quotes...it's not actual...figuratively...they can leave...so can women)...they simply choose to stay. Some because they're honorable...some because they think it's the right thing to do...others because they feel trapped (just as...women). The bulk stay because they want to (just as....women). The REASON there are more services for women is simply...because...women are the caregivers and...women (because men would never debate such) demand the press. Besides which...men would also never debate same because...we know which side our bread is buttered and...simply...you have more moving parts. (THAT is why we spend more on women (in EVERY aspect of the economy). (Dat be a FAQ Jack!). Benjamin's. (Indeed).

respectmen -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:33:57 PM)
To consider one gender over the other is the complete opposite to equality. It never ceases to amaze me how people will still sit here with a straight face and tell me that feminism is about equality. Then we have stef calling me a babyman but it's okay to criticise men so much, that when you have ran out of things to bash men about, you resort to nitpicking on how they sit on public transport. You people are so seriously deluded and brainwashed. This is what political correctness/leftism has created. It's a fucking mess.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:34:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Feminists are more willing to help women than they are to help men. This is a fact peon. If you disagree, prove me wrong. Of course feminists are willing to help women than men. Feminism is about women obtaining equality with men. At the moment, the scales are weighted heavily in mens' favour. Men don't need feminists' help to obtain equality - they are already in a dominant position. So if you wish to balance the scales, then your best option is to help women more than men.' It is not feminism's nor feminists' role to agitate on behalf of men. OTOH that would be arrogant of feminists OTOH it is a task that must and can only be carried out by men. It is not a role that feminists can play want to play or should play. It is stupid to insist that feminists adopt this role. quote: If you're more willing to help women compared to men, you're obviously not about equality ... [snip] . This doesn't make any sense. It doesn't follow that "you're obviously not about equality ... if you're more willing to help women compared to men". It doesn't follow at all. For instance, women might be more in need of that help than men, as is the actual case in the real world. In that situation, if your goal is achieving equality, then the only sensible approach would be to help women more than men - anything else would exacerbate inequality ... Again you are making an assertion that, upon scrutiny, turns out to be just plain stupid. My GAWD!!! Have you read the papers lately???? Have you watched a TV show since like...the 60's?

Musicmystery -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:35:27 PM)
No one thinks feminism is about equality. Clearly men and women are different. Ask your dad to explain it. That they should have equal opportunity -- that's a different matter.

respectmen -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:44:13 PM)
quote: RM, you are just not getting this. The scales of justice, across the world, and for an eternity, have always been weighted in favour of men and against women. I had a good laugh over this. Before technological advancement, think about how much harder men had to use their bodies to make the world work. Who went to war? Who was the one expected to protect the land they live on? It's a far better deal to have little responsibility, to have responsibility came with massive burdens, and have such a simple life of doing house work and spending moments with your children that the father will never see and experience. I would think it's a far better deal being able to get day time drunk at home and do house work while everything that's provided to you is from the hard work of another person. Women who whine about this are bloody ingrates! The only ones who were and still are privileged are the elite at the top. The rest of us, including 99 percent of men are victims too of the elite. If it was women being forced to war and being forced to do back breaking labour and dying on the job, there would be a whole different spin on this. It would be that women were oppressed because men made them do it, just like men make other men do it. Damned if men do, damned it they don't. Women will still whinge no matter what.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact This is as good a place as any. Believe it or not, there are some things that rm says that I agree with. There SHOULD be support services for men. I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to say 'half the money spent on services should be for men,' because frankly, that's not how the money is being used. We still need to make an effort to encourage men to report. The stigma is high for men and we need to be working on that. Now, I know that we're on a kink site and there's always a lot of bluster about whether people have the RIGHT to leave, or to have all of their money controlled, and other fun stuff that we do in the name of BDSM. Whatever it is that people think, yes, you DO have the right to leave an abusive relationship. Your gender, age, race, religion, sexual or kink orientation don't change that. What we probably should be doing is giving folks tips and advice about HOW to get out of DV situations, because THOSE situations are what are ruining people's lives. Careful, LP. You're showing approval for stuff that feminists have approved of. However, feminists have also approved of e.g. jokes about killing men. So if you have approved of that stuff, making you a feminist, then you must approve of the idea of it being fun to kill men, too. I am shocked and saddened that you approve of jokes about killing me, LP. [:(] I'm not...(not as to LP...that's a sideline issue)...I'd venture at least 35% of women don't understand or respect the value that men bring...(I'm being generous...I think...I don't actually know the %'s)...I'm stunned that more men haven't stood up and said "enough with this one sided discussion". Television shows (across the globe) for decades have put men in a lesser position, even as the world wants...indeed....demands....us (men) to step up...to support women, to stop child abuse...a million things (all absolutely right...guys...we're designed to go build shit...bring shit home...slay dragons...it's what we do...chics ALWAYS know better what's needed)...it's always the men that are expected to stand up and make these issues either go away...or be front and center and...it should be the men...because we carry the water. But...when men are socially sidelined solely because they have a penis....that's when I question the long term value of the direction of this conversation. As women have demanded that men stand up for them over the last 60 years (and they should), I'm stunned that women have (collectively...and in unison) stood on the shoulder of the road, protected from *EVERY* vicissitude, while men continue to be abused socially. Globally. It's about time women stood up for men.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 3:55:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: RM, you are just not getting this. The scales of justice, across the world, and for an eternity, have always been weighted in favour of men and against women. I had a good laugh over this. Before technological advancement, think about how much harder men had to use their bodies to make the world work. Who went to war? Who was the one expected to protect the land they live on? It's a far better deal to have little responsibility, to have responsibility came with massive burdens, and have such a simple life of doing house work and spending moments with your children that the father will never see and experience. I would think it's a far better deal being able to get day time drunk at home and do house work while everything that's provided to you is from the hard work of another person. Women who whine about this are bloody ingrates! The only ones who were and still are privileged are the elite at the top. The rest of us, including 99 percent of men are victims too of the elite. If it was women being forced to war and being forced to do back breaking labour and dying on the job, there would be a whole different spin on this. It would be that women were oppressed because men made them do it, just like men make other men do it. Damned if men do, damned it they don't. Women will still whinge no matter what. Jeeesuz fucking H!!! Were you BORN a moron...or did this just come to you? DUDE!!! Chics do ALL the hard work!!! All you have to do is bring in the fucking crops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's fucking hard (physical) work but...YOU get to go to sleep (next to some big titties!). Chics NEVER sleep! (Trust me...they never sleep...like....ever...that's partially *why* they're crazy). (Were you born without a cranium???)

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 4:08:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So, some feminist friends were discussing this matter with us while waiting for the train . . . [image]https://static.tumblr.com/2e2129ac4a394ad5ea644e972f9b9b18/ytsxioi/Oujnamt59/tumblr_static_filename_2048_v2.jpg[/image] I now have to stop typing because I saw that picture....I saw titties. (I'm in a happy place now).

AtUrCervix -> RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining men’s lives (7/6/2017 4:11:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen To consider one gender over the other is the complete opposite to equality. It never ceases to amaze me how people will still sit here with a straight face and tell me that feminism is about equality. Then we have stef calling me a babyman but it's okay to criticise men so much, that when you have ran out of things to bash men about, you resort to nitpicking on how they sit on public transport. You people are so seriously deluded and brainwashed. This is what political correctness/leftism has created. It's a fucking mess. Who gives a fuck about "equality"? A world without wimmens ain't worth being here.

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