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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/8/2017 5:12:59 PM   
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Wow spelling nazi, strawman, ad hominems and a fixation with peoples mummys.
bless your heart.
All in one post.
LOL


He may be an eternal fruitcake, but we should be glad that Awareness has deigned to lend his inestimable weight to the discussion, Lucy.


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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/8/2017 5:14:31 PM   
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I always get a chuckle when Lucy tries to play at the game of argument. It reminds me why feminists are usually so terribly thick. The simplest explanations appeal to the simplest minds.

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/8/2017 5:32:42 PM   
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Wow spelling nazi, strawman, ad hominems and a fixation with peoples mummys.
bless your heart.
All in one post.
LOL


He may be an eternal fruitcake, but we should be glad that Awareness has deigned to lend his inestimable weight to the discussion, Lucy.



Its the hot air and bullshit that makes me laugh every time....its just bullshit in arrogance....it should be a cologne or something?


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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/8/2017 5:40:33 PM   
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Its the hot air and bullshit that makes me laugh every time....its just bullshit in arrogance....it should be a cologne or something?



Don't know. Might be good for getting rid of verrucas. Or perhaps anal-bleaching. ;)

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/8/2017 5:53:36 PM   
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Invented any new feminist double standards lately?

Gotta larf

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 1:13:33 AM   
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Care to share who these nefarious 'white men who created feminism' are?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpjmvaIgNA


Sorry rm, a you tube clip with some unknown and now deceased looney Right nobody doesn't count as evidence, except to say that to offer such flimsy gossip as supporting evidence of your claim is itself evidence of terminal stupidity.

It amazes me that you expect others to take such gibberish seriously. It saddens me that you are so gullible and idiotic that you are persuaded by 'evidence' that has all the weight of an empty paper bag. All up you make a retarded anemone look intelligent.

Gotta larf. You and the nonsense you sprout really aren't worth wasting any more time on.



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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 4:36:49 PM   
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(ETA - this is a fast reply. I'm late to the thread and haven't even clicked the link. If I'm being redundant, irrelevant to the info on the OPs link, my apologies. Take what is useful, leave the rest.)

I haven't read the link, but you mention funding in your title.

Acquisition of funding is as competitive as it gets. Grant writing, approval processes, funding availability- are all a very competitive process. So yes, I imagine that groups designed to help survivors of domestic violence do cling tightly to whatever "in" they have that has their grant proposals getting attention and approval.

This was a really good post. In a way, I'm surprised nobody wanted to discuss the points you raised. I think people forget some things related to this, including that there isn't a 'lock' (for lack of a better term) on funding. When we talk about shelters, specifically, there's also the 'how many beds are being utilized' factor. I'm not phrasing this well at all, so would you expand?

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Yes, there are more shelters for women and children than there are for men in general and few if any (depending on location) shelters that accept men with children. This has shifted a bit, as those running shelters, fundraising for shelters and providing funding via grants are acknowledging that men with children find themselves in crisis as well. However, in the DV statistics, women and children still make up the majority of individuals in need of shelter due to that specific cause (DV) and so, money allocated toward aiding survivors of DV will continue to lean heavily toward the assistance of women and children.

My google-fu kind of sucks but I was able to find DV shelters in several major cities that were specifically for men. (Not the physical addresses of them, but that they were available.) I have no idea of how this compares to other countries.

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I've written grants for DV shelters, and I've talked with many survivors of DV and those in BDSM who have found themselves in danger and homeless from predators fishing in the BDSM/Ms/Ds ponds. Most were women, not all.

In my opinion, THIS is one of the things we should be discussing. Not 'feminism this' and 'feminism that.' We should be teaching people how to leave abusive relationships. Not stacking the deck against them.

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Men with children, when it comes to homelessness or DV, do face far greater challenges due to a lack of options available which is largely part of funding allocation BUT also, societies view of men and how they are less likely to be the victim or less a man if they are.

Technically, every person in a DV shelter is considered homeless. They have transient status, so they are counted in the homeless population.

I'm in total agreement with you about societies view. If that's going to change, we need to be a part of it.

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Yes, there are inequities, some reasonable ones, some unfair ones.

How "feminists" fall into this, I've no idea. Most who devote time, efforts and money toward helping survivors of DV do so from a humanitarian POV.

Every time these threads come up, we seem to forget the humanitarian point of view. It seems we get so caught up in this other stuff that we're more busy worried about pettiness than the victims.



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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 5:14:05 PM   
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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 5:40:07 PM   
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No. I want to stand with the victims.

I want to TEACH people how to get away from abusive people. That they have the RIGHT to leave.

How to construct exit plans. What should be in the escape bag.

Really? We've got a thread about DV and we're not TELLING people the basic essentials how to leave bad situations? How to find a shelter? How to access services? Shouldn't THAT be a part of this discussion?







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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 5:57:49 PM   
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Difficult - I am not sure even i can do that

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 8:10:47 PM   
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No. I want to stand with the victims.

I want to TEACH people how to get away from abusive people. That they have the RIGHT to leave.

How to construct exit plans. What should be in the escape bag.

Really? We've got a thread about DV and we're not TELLING people the basic essentials how to leave bad situations? How to find a shelter? How to access services? Shouldn't THAT be a part of this discussion?








Also, another good starting point is that the funding from the government and society in general shouldn't put their trust in feminist groups to do the right thing. Feminist groups are given all the funding in regards of DV and yet they totally neglect half of the population simply because of their gender.

As I have been saying, we should deal with victims on a case by case basis instead of dealing with it by what gender you are. That would be real equality. The male in the article is in need of help, why should he be neglected because there are women who have had it worse or there are more female victims than male. How does that make a male victim less deserving of support? How can the experience of women make a male less deserving of support?

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/9/2017 8:22:36 PM   
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You need to understand that the need is greater than the funding allows?
And Feminists are NOT sinply GIVEN the funding,
Please get a clue about the realities for ANY agency, has fuck all to do with ANY feminists.
Really find out how a group go about getting funding for ANYTHING.
You are assuming way to much, again


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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 1:22:01 AM   
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You need to understand that the need is greater than the funding allows?


Absolutely the need is greater than the provision and in most places that is true for both sexes, whatever rm suggests about services for women.

I am taken with LP's suggestion that there is a need to support people how to get away from those who are abusive, and to make sure that they can actually access that support easily without jumping through hoops. That is of course a far bigger subject than refuges and shelters and applies to all individuals.

I keep coming back to the fact that although violence against men has reduced greatly in the UK over a ten year period (including the murder of men by partners) the same is just not true where women are the victims of domestic violence and partner murder. Women are being increasingly prosecuted for violence against men and rightly so, but I am saddened by the fact that despite the programmes and funding by comparison we seem to be making little progress in improving the lives of women. Far from men being left behind as resources are being ploughed into services for women, it would seem that we are failing to improve things significantly for women facing violence from family members.

rm is just too busy looking for enemies to focus on solutions.

Don't know about the rest of the world but we need to do something different in the UK, despite all the efforts that have been taken already, and people like rm having a moan about how it's all the fault of feminism doesn't do anything except provide some very low rent "entertainment" on a website.

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 2:06:05 AM   
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DV services are woefully underfunded here in Australia too. There is a permanent shortage of beds at refuges which has the nasty effect of forcing people to remain in abusive relationships, often at risk of serious violence, until a space can be found for them. This can take days weeks or even months ...

One important principle that runs through the provision of DV refuges and funding is that people with children should come first. As women take responsibility for the children in most break-ups, and even more so in DV cases, this has the functional effect of creating a bias favouring women in the provision of services. When men take responsibility for children in equal numbers to women, this bias will disappear.

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 2:19:32 AM   
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One may wonder why don't men being left with kids have the same consideration.

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 6:14:16 AM   
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Also, another good starting point is that the funding from the government and society in general shouldn't put their trust in feminist groups to do the right thing. Feminist groups are given all the funding in regards of DV and yet they totally neglect half of the population simply because of their gender.

I think you need to make up your mind. On an earlier post on this thread, you said this:


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I'm not denying that there are services for men who are abused so please stop making out that I claimed stuff that I never did.

That funding has to be coming from somewhere. Are you trying to tell me that it's all private funding because your country's government hasn't allocated some funds in this area?

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As I have been saying, we should deal with victims on a case by case basis instead of dealing with it by what gender you are. That would be real equality. The male in the article is in need of help, why should he be neglected because there are women who have had it worse or there are more female victims than male. How does that make a male victim less deserving of support? How can the experience of women make a male less deserving of support?

You do realize that some women are turned away, too? There aren't these endless beds at shelters that can always accommodate every person that tries to come in. If it's a 28 bed facility, that's how many beds they have. That 29'th person? They may have to go to another shelter in the same city. It might have to be the next city.

From your own article:

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If it hadn't been for my mum...

That tells me that the victim had somewhere for himself and his children to go.

I know this is difficult. When the person who is being abused needs to leave the person perpetrating the IPV (intimate partner violence), where do they go? Is there a family member, friend, or co-worker that will take them in? Does the abusive partner know everybody the victim knows?

Safety is the primary concern. THAT'S what comes first.



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If you need help in the USA, at least attempt to contact the RAINN foundation.

If your abuser is a member of the United States Military, you are looking for a place called the SHARP office.

You aren't alone. Don't let these people tell you that there is no help. If you are in danger, trying to leave an abusive relationship, have a stalker or anything else... MP and I will try to help you.


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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 6:49:10 AM   
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No. I want to stand with the victims.

I want to TEACH people how to get away from abusive people. That they have the RIGHT to leave.

How to construct exit plans. What should be in the escape bag.

Really? We've got a thread about DV and we're not TELLING people the basic essentials how to leave bad situations? How to find a shelter? How to access services? Shouldn't THAT be a part of this discussion?




On the 18th of this month it will be 20 years since the day I left with my 4 children.

THE RIGHT to leave: This is an important factor. One doesn't wake up one day suddenly in an abusive situation.
It is usually a slow progressive eating away at the individual's self esteem and a gradual isolation from any family or friend support.
In my case, what could have been my support, helped reinforce my husbands right as HoH and left me feeling as if it was on me to make things better. If I left my husband, I was disobeying the Will of God. I actually "received permission " to leave from a pastor who preached one morning about the Covenant a Man makes with God when he takes on the mantle of leadership. As Master of wife and family, his responsibility is to God to love his wife, even as Christ loved the Church. To bring harm to his family is to break the covenant with God. It released me in a way that a slave might feel released from her Master.
Obviously each individual person will have to come to feel they have a right to leave in their own way - but being told it is okay, someone reinforcing this, is a. Important step. A close secondary reason was I knew if I stayed, my husband would kill me. His abuse escalated quickly because he was an alcoholic who became addicted to crack.

EXIT PLAN/BUG OUT: Leaving is dangerous, so preparing to leave is important and risky. It is best if you have someone you trust to help you. For me, it was a close family friend and neighbor. I used her phone to call Shelters, and used her number for messages from shelters and places I'd called that were available for rent. My husband had sabotaged my car, kept control of the checkbook and credit cards. He would even check receipts to make certain I hadn't taken any cash out at checkout. A friend online I'd never even met, lent me $500, and I managed to eek out a few hundred by sneaking a credit card One at a time out of his s wallet and withdrawing a little bit of cash when he passed out drunk. In the meantime I had an emergency bag at my friend and neighbors house that had birth certificates, social security cards, shot records, my resume, the money and enough clothes for 3days for my kids. The shelters I'd called were full, but when I explained my situation, they called back the next day to say they had made room for me. I was lucky, in that I'd already found a trailer in the country and paid a deposit on it. Things moved quickly, and while my husband was at work my friend and I used her two vehicles to pack what we could and at 12 noon we pulled away from my family home. Toni Braxton was on the radio singing unbreak my heart and I was crying so hard I could barely see to drive. I had no vehicle, I'd quit my job three years prior to be a stay at home mom, so no employment and after deposit and rent I had $7 dollars to my name. My kids, all 4 of them came down with chicken pox. I should have been overwhelmed, but I was simply happy we were safe. My friend had been kind enough to put utilities in her maiden name, my former employer was happy to hire me back on an offsite project and my friends husband fixed my car and brought it to me. It all came together.


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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 8:47:17 AM   
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Strewth. What a harrowing story. Well done for extricating yourself - it clearly wasn't easy.

I'm so glad a bunch of people stepped up to the crease for you.

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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 2:24:17 PM   
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On the 18th of this month it will be 20 years since the day I left with my 4 children.

Win, right about now, I think you just might be one of the bravest people I get to interact with on these forums.

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THE RIGHT to leave: This is an important factor. One doesn't wake up one day suddenly in an abusive situation.
It is usually a slow progressive eating away at the individual's self esteem and a gradual isolation from any family or friend support.
In my case, what could have been my support, helped reinforce my husbands right as HoH and left me feeling as if it was on me to make things better. If I left my husband, I was disobeying the Will of God. I actually "received permission " to leave from a pastor who preached one morning about the Covenant a Man makes with God when he takes on the mantle of leadership. As Master of wife and family, his responsibility is to God to love his wife, even as Christ loved the Church. To bring harm to his family is to break the covenant with God. It released me in a way that a slave might feel released from her Master.

In a smaller way, I feel like kink forums such as this one, do the same thing. We are constantly telling both Dominants and submissives that if a situation is going bad, somehow, they are supposed to "fix it." It seems to me that we don't reinforce that there are times when it's appropriate to abandon the sinking ship.

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Obviously each individual person will have to come to feel they have a right to leave in their own way - but being told it is okay, someone reinforcing this, is a. Important step.

One of the exact reasons I think telling people that they can leave is important. It counters the posts where some folks try to tell others that they can't.

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A close secondary reason was I knew if I stayed, my husband would kill me. His abuse escalated quickly because he was an alcoholic who became addicted to crack.

I am so glad that you got away.

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EXIT PLAN/BUG OUT: Leaving is dangerous, so preparing to leave is important and risky.

Having a plan is exceptionally important. Frankly, I think people should have more than one plan in the event the abuser is able to cut off avenues. I tried to explain this on the earlier post. When a person no longer has physical control, they escalate. They will try to find ways to FORCE a person back to the relationship.

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It is best if you have someone you trust to help you. For me, it was a close family friend and neighbor. I used her phone to call Shelters, and used her number for messages from shelters and places I'd called that were available for rent.

Technology improving has helped in this area a bit. (Thank goodness.) When I finally reached the point where I had to turn in my stalker, I set up an email account specifically for that.

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My husband had sabotaged my car, kept control of the checkbook and credit cards.

I haven't talked about it for a while, but the car sabotage? Yeah, I'm a member of that club, too. Some people really WILL go that far.

As a side note. One of the things that MP and I talked about before I agreed to marry him, was that I would, absolutely, maintain a checking account that his name wouldn't be on. Knowing how bad Uncle Sam used to be about the DV matter? No way in hell.

This actually paid off for me when the stalker called MP's boss, claiming false allegations of abuse. I could prove I had money that MP couldn't access.

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He would even check receipts to make certain I hadn't taken any cash out at checkout. A friend online I'd never even met, lent me $500, and I managed to eek out a few hundred by sneaking a credit card One at a time out of his s wallet and withdrawing a little bit of cash when he passed out drunk.

There have been a few people online that I've never met (in person) offer to do some amazing things for me. I think it's why I don't believe the BS about 'feminists won't do this or won't do that."

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In the meantime I had an emergency bag at my friend and neighbors house that had birth certificates, social security cards, shot records, my resume, the money and enough clothes for 3days for my kids.

This part is exceptionally important. Having those documents. It's not *just* an exit plan. If the abuser is watching for you to show up at work, you might not be able to keep that job. Same thing goes for your children's school. If the abuser has gone over the edge because they have lost control over where you live, some will start looking for your patterns. Where you go, what you do, and who you know.

That first week is critical. What a person has in that emergency bag is vital.

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The shelters I'd called were full, but when I explained my situation, they called back the next day to say they had made room for me. I was lucky, in that I'd already found a trailer in the country and paid a deposit on it. Things moved quickly, and while my husband was at work my friend and I used her two vehicles to pack what we could and at 12 noon we pulled away from my family home. Toni Braxton was on the radio singing unbreak my heart and I was crying so hard I could barely see to drive. I had no vehicle, I'd quit my job three years prior to be a stay at home mom, so no employment and after deposit and rent I had $7 dollars to my name. My kids, all 4 of them came down with chicken pox. I should have been overwhelmed, but I was simply happy we were safe. My friend had been kind enough to put utilities in her maiden name, my former employer was happy to hire me back on an offsite project and my friends husband fixed my car and brought it to me. It all came together.

Years before I met MP, I volunteered at a shelter. There were a lot of times that we couldn't take clients because there was no room. We could help with other services but we didn't always have enough beds.



Twenty years ago, Uncle Sam used to be absolute sh^t about DV. They covered it up, "closed ranks," and all kinds of other crap that I can't even explain. Today? It sounds like even Uncle Sam is doing better than Australia. That's pathetic.







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RE: Greedy feminists clutching DV funding are ruining m... - 7/10/2017 3:30:32 PM   
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One may wonder why don't men being left with kids have the same consideration.


Anyone who feels compelled to form a Non-Profit organization, and has a vision to meet the needs of men specifically can step up and do the leg work, fund raising and recruiting to make it happen. It isn't impossible, and it isn't as if they'd be setting a precedent.

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