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fullofgrace -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/29/2006 10:02:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

In answer to the original post and to put some balance and perspective into the discussion:

There is no cultural justification for those sort of acts. They're obviously disgusting beyond belief. However, they are an example of the ugly side of the Muslim world. We in the Christian world also have an ugly side to the way we run our societies. For example, yesterday, a UK priest was convicted of the rape of an 11 year old boy and 35 counts of child abuse - by no means an isolated incident. 

To be able to pass judgement and condemn other cultures we need to have our own house in order first.

Regards


That has to be one of the worst pieces of moral relativism I've ever seen. 
No one should condemn an atrocity unless every single person in their country is blameless?
[8|]




i think perhaps his point might have been that we are so busy trying to clean up other peoples' messes that we're ignoring our own? :)



NorthernGent -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/29/2006 10:11:32 AM)

Alumbrado,

There is a pattern developing here. I post and you appear with criticism. As luck would have it I am advertising for a stalker at the moment. I will send you an application form and a starter pack.

And, you've jumped in with two feet again and completely missed my point. My point was/is, if people are so concerned about human rights then let's sort out what is on our doorstep. We can't even get our own society anywhere near right so looking to other cultures that we barely understand and thinking we have the answers for them is a bit rich.

Western Europe and North America have enough problems to keep us occupied for a thousand years.

Regards




popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/29/2006 11:47:02 PM)

Alambrado, I've "been called" on this before? By who?
Whether * you*  like it or not "Arab" , "Islam" , "Muslim", "Hispanic" ,and "German"  are ***NOT***  races!
And as for being "Xenophobic" I'm not "afraid" of  foreigners.
Here we got with the leftist labels again!
Man, you people need to spend $40 and go out and buy a dictionary!



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/29/2006 11:56:42 PM)

Northern Gent, he always does that.
He's done it to me a few times before.
It would appear that he is the argumentative type who resorts to ad hominum attacks when faced with logic.
You can never make a valid point with people like that.
Down on the left of the screen there's a place to tic "Block" I just ticked it for Alambravo!



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 12:02:26 AM)

abytchgoddess4u, OK, we've gone from "Racism" down to "Xenophobic Bigotry", down to "you know what I mean."
No, I don't know what you mean.
What do you mean?



abytchgoddess4u -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 12:28:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250
abytchgoddess4u, OK, we've gone from "Racism" down to "Xenophobic Bigotry", down to "you know what I mean."
No, I don't know what you mean.
What do you mean?


I'm not going to get into a discussion over semantics. The rest of my post clearly outlined exactly what I meant.

As stated, it was not a specific slam towards anyone in particular, but you seem to have taken an extra personal interest in minimizing the argument into wordplay. I've already conceded your grammatical point and given you freedom to feel you've won. I won't argue semantics.

Were you threatened somehow that I called posters on their comments, which I found offensive?



NorthernGent -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 12:38:41 AM)

Popeye,

Thanks for the good advice - it is heeded. This may seem really ungrateful but I have a question for you. My assumption was/is that someone with Irish ancestors would be very appreciative of the flexibility of humans to migrate to flock around work - if your view is you want the US to remain restricted to certain groups then is this not completely contradictory with your own heritage?

Regards



Alumbrado -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 8:40:09 AM)

Awwwww...play the professional victim card so soon?  Unhappy over having your logical howlers criticized?

Demand answers and then hide behind the block button because you can't handle them?

Life on an internet discussion forum too rough for you?

Big men.[8|]

Buh bye, non-hackers.



Alumbrado -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 8:48:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fullofgrace

i think perhaps his point might have been that we are so busy trying to clean up other peoples' messes that we're ignoring our own? :)



That may have been his point, but it was not what he said.

In fact nothing was said about cleaning up other people's messes, the comment he made said that no one should 'pass judgement and condemn'... 
Which leaves tacit approval of  things like the incident in the OP...



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 9:02:56 AM)

Gent, the blocking feature works!
"This user is on your Blocked list."
   No  Message

Gent, not at all. A hundred years ago we needed immigration, we simply do not anymore.
The only ones who seem to think that we do are the corporations and companies that break our laws and are using slave labor and the politicians who's pockets they stuff with cash.
We certainly have no "shortage" of high school dropouts in this country who could fill those jobs BUT, they'd demand Minimum Wage for doing so.



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 9:06:35 AM)

P.S. Gent, as for Irish Illegal Aliens I'd arrest and deport them FIRST, just to set the example!
No predjudice here!



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 9:41:45 AM)

abytchgoddess4u, it's not "semantics" it's "science."
You need to learn how to have a constructive argument with people without resorting to name calling.
It's really not all that creative.
And it doesn't bolster your argument in any way.
I don't often agree with Gent's position on different issues but I don't call him names.
(Well, I did call him a "Socialist" and to retort he called me an "Anglo Saxon.")
But I do respect his right to have his own opinions.
And if I don't agree with my government's policies regarding immigration or any other issue it is my right as an American Citizen to voice my objections.
And I'm certainly not alone in those objections.
ALL the polls show that the American People are fed up with *our* governments handling of immigration and illegal alien issues.
(More than 90% *NINETY PERCENT*)
We are also well aware that Bush is "in the pockets" of Big Business.



agirl -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 9:52:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

In answer to the original post and to put some balance and perspective into the discussion:

There is no cultural justification for those sort of acts. They're obviously disgusting beyond belief. However, they are an example of the ugly side of the Muslim world. We in the Christian world also have an ugly side to the way we run our societies. For example, yesterday, a UK priest was convicted of the rape of an 11 year old boy and 35 counts of child abuse - by no means an isolated incident. 

To be able to pass judgement and condemn other cultures we need to have our own house in order first.

Regards


That has to be one of the worst pieces of moral relativism I've ever seen. 
No one should condemn an atrocity unless every single person in their country is blameless?
[8|]




That's simply being silly.  NO-ONE, but no-one, is representative of an entire nation and NG hasn't intimated that at all.

If the subject is on a global level, then it's bloody difficult to say that WE ( whoever *we* may be) are *better than* or *behave better than*.

Wherever you hail from, you will find atrocities, abuses and bad behaviour toward others.

The point being made ( forgive me if I supposed wrongly) is that WHILE we are crying out *SHAME on you... we have our OWN *shame* to be dealing with...

Yes, we can say *This is awful* I wish mankind behaved better*.

But it might be a tad mealy-mouthed to spout.... *Golly, we wouldn't do THAT, would we?*.


agirl

edited to indulge myself



Alumbrado -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 9:59:36 AM)

You are certainly welcome to get that message from the post... I did not. 

The message I got, was that no one was supposed to say 'That's awful', as long as there was one pedophile priest on their side of the globe.

On the other hand, would you be so good as to point out where I said anything even vaguely resembling endorsement of "...*Golly, we wouldn't do THAT, would we?*..."?



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 11:19:20 AM)

Gent! Try the block button!

-"THIS USER IS ON YOUR "BLOCKED" LIST AND THE MESSAGE HAS BEEN BLOCKED"-

It works great!



agirl -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 11:32:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

You are certainly welcome to get that message from the post... I did not. 

The message I got, was that no one was supposed to say 'That's awful', as long as there was one pedophile priest on their side of the globe.

On the other hand, would you be so good as to point out where I said anything even vaguely resembling endorsement of "...*Golly, we wouldn't do THAT, would we?*..."?


I didn't say you had..I was expanding on my own thoughts and surmising on NG's.

What you *got* from the post is ALL yours....lol

agirl







LotusSong -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 12:56:56 PM)

I dated a Persian in college. I damn near married him but came to my senses.  He told me that I'd have to convert to Islam if I did.  So I decided to read the Koran a bit.  There is a passage in there that reads "Man should take care lest he cause women to weep, for God counts their tears". (Close enough interpretation)

It seems to be conveniently forgotten.



Level -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 1:03:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I dated a Persian in college. I damn near married him but came to my senses.  He told me that I'd have to convert to Islam if I did.  So I decided to read the Koran a bit.  There is a passage in there that reads "Man should take care lest he cause women to weep, for God counts their tears". (Close enough interpretation)

It seems to be conveniently forgotten.



Lotus, the Qu'ran is just like the Bible in that there are numerous passages that are bursting with wisdom, and equally numerous passages that are hateful. I take what's good and leave the rest.



abytchgoddess4u -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 5:56:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250
abytchgoddess4u, it's not "semantics" it's "science."
You need to learn how to have a constructive argument with people without resorting to name calling.
It's really not all that creative.
And it doesn't bolster your argument in any way.
I don't often agree with Gent's position on different issues but I don't call him names.
(Well, I did call him a "Socialist" and to retort he called me an "Anglo Saxon.")
But I do respect his right to have his own opinions.
And if I don't agree with my government's policies regarding immigration or any other issue it is my right as an American Citizen to voice my objections.
And I'm certainly not alone in those objections.
ALL the polls show that the American People are fed up with *our* governments handling of immigration and illegal alien issues.
(More than 90% *NINETY PERCENT*)
We are also well aware that Bush is "in the pockets" of Big Business.


I have no idea what you're talking about. I called noone a name, least of all you.

I simply questioned the namecalling and bigoted views others were expressing..."goat herder" springs to mind. I then compared the situation of lack of prosecution and conviction for similar criminal acts in North America. As well as mentioning that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...that we need to deal with our own issues before roundly deriding other countries issues and policies...even though they may be heinous.

Others in the thread have done the same...I believe Gent was one of them. Even those that disagree don't seem to have an issue with my choice of wording.

I then refused to argue with you over my use of the word racism as opposed to bigotry and conceded your semantic point. You latched onto that as an attempt to start a secondary arguement, which I also refused to enter in.

I am not a flamer; nor a troll, and did not express my views here to start a flame war. Nor did I make any statement about immigration, so I don't know where you got that from.

Why are you trying to argue with me so desperately?



popeye1250 -> RE: Sharia "Law" (7/30/2006 7:13:07 PM)

"Goat Herder?"
Ahhhhhhh, they actually *DO*  herd goats in the Middle East!
I've seen them do it because I was there in the U.S. Navy.
Ever been there?



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