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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 8:52:04 AM   
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I love this editorial.....




We see one truly solid takeaway from the story of the day: Donald Trump Jr. is an idiot.

In the heat of your father’s presidential campaign, a bozo British publicist emails you to set up a sit-down with a “Russian government attorney” promising “documents and information” to “incriminate Hillary” courtesy of the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” as “part of” the Russian government’s “support” for Dad — and you eagerly take the meeting.

“If it’s what you say I love it,” wrote Junior. As if the government of former KGB spymaster Vladimir Putin would do anything so clumsy. (Our former colleague Kyle Smith put it nicely: “Don Jr. is why Nigerian email scammers keep trying their luck.”)

Worse, he dragged brother-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chief Paul Manafort into the meeting, which proved to be a bid by a Moscow fixer to undo a US law causing trouble for her clients. (Reportedly, Kushner walked out within 10 minutes while Manafort did work on his phone.)

Oh, and someone was so careless with the email trail that it all wound up being fed to the New York Times, for days of headlines that (at best) undermine President Trump’s agenda as both health and tax reform hang in the balance in Congress.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. As were Junior’s shifting, incomplete accounts of the meeting under days of Times questioning.

Democrats and the media are frothing to find something criminal in it all, with the most unhinged talking treason. What it clearly was was criminally stupid.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-is-an-idiot/

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 8:54:05 AM   
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Hillary someone trounced him by 3 million votes.



Dude, it's an electoral vote system. Not a popular vote system.

Do you think Trump winning is a Fluke?

If Trump wanted to win this election by popular vote strategy, he would have stayed a Democrat, but popular vote don't win you American Election. He always been a Democrat and on top of that, he could easily glide on the pro-LGBT, pro-choice, single payer healthcare platform. Which are things he genuinely believe in until he has to win as a Republican.

That's why he switch to Republican and strategise as a Republican, on what are the important states he needs to win and focus on those. Because it was only Electoral Votes that counted.

Hillary was just like over-confident about her 'sure-win' states and didn't put any effort and lost. Her strategy sucked. And she was too scared to show her face majority of the time, hiding in silence majority of her election period, afraid to say something wrong and have the media twist it. But Trump just go head on all the time, showing he has nothing to hide and not afraid of challenges.

Come to think of it, do you know your UK system is pretty much electoral vote too? Choosing your PM isn't a popular vote thingy either. You don't even get to vote for your PM.



WTF Greta.

Just what exactly has this to do with the UK? You are becoming obsessed.

And how can one women be so badly informed about so many issues?

The British PM is not elected (as is the case in most European countries). The PM is generally the leader of the largest party in the Commons and has to command a majority to govern. It's called Parliamentary democracy. You elect local representatives, not the PM. It's a very common form of democracy, especially in Europe. It has its issues in that it's very good for local representation but can be harsh on minority parties who gain small amounts of votes in every constituency but cannot achieve proportional representation in Parliament, e.g. the Greens and UKIP.

If you want to make a point about proportional representation and its potential role in reducing the democratic deficit, please do that, but for fuck sake please at least try to find something out about it before you do.

The US system of checks and balances with the system to produce a mixture of local accountability and state representation is quite different.

Trump lost the popular vote, meaning he does not represent the majority of Americans. He did however win the Presidential election because it is essentially a state by state vote rather than a straight first past the post popular vote. The GOP also triumphed in Congress in theory cementing Republican power alongside a Republican President. Sadly Trump has trouble commanding all the Republican votes in Congress because he cannot take the majority of like minded people with him.

Winning the Presidential election is not the only requirement for governing in the US. The press you hate so much would not be able to affect Trump's ability to govern if it wasn't for the lack of universal Republican support for the President. It is evident that many people voted Republican for Senate and House of Representatives but didn't vote for Trump as President, as many Republican members of Congress are aware. Many of the current problems in governing therefore come directly from the will of the people and how Republican voters voted and not the "left-wing" press or the Democrats.

It's not really that complicated.

Trump and his family are very close to the Russians. Whether Americans as a whole view this as a problem remains to be seen. It's never good to seen as having close links to another country as an individual politician or as a political party. Formal government led foreign relations are a different thing but that all seems to have been blurred during the election. Frankly that is the issue, not whether the Russians tried to disrupt or influence the Presidential elections. Sure they did as they have been doing in other parts of the world - no big surprise. But the Russians did not determine the results of the election - the American people did.

The real question is how far the Trumps were in bed with the Russians prior to or during the elections, how open they have been and whether that is acceptable to most Americans. For all the heated debate in the media and on the web, we will need another Presidential election to really get the answer to that.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:07:37 AM   
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indirect collusion...LOLOLOL
Steele got the information....british...NOT russian. gave it to fusion, who gave it to the DNC oh...and journalists?? am I following?

instead of trying to get information directly from a foreign national...in person, with bro in law, and manafort
that is the FEC problem....


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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:19:33 AM   
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Rumpypumpy or one of his treasonous sprogs - the Russians were just saving us pay our own party activists and analysts and researchers. One of them actual said that - was it Squealer Junior or Orange Squeeze or Eric the Thicko? overlooking eg this 100% bonafide factual meme

Treason - hmm not sure they can get him for that (apprently) But the investigation has moved beyond the remit of mere collusion - Perjury Obstruction Collusion telling fibs





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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:22:29 AM   
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Did they have to hunt for a picture of Eric Trump that bad, or does he always look like Marilyn* playing Billy Bunter in some early '80s amdram production?

*(Boy George's ex, not Marilyn Monroe, obvs)

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:23:38 AM   
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im waiting on it all to come out, but im enjoying the hell out of watching the response from the right.
NY Post, calling him an idiot on the front page of their paper as well
great morning


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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:25:55 AM   
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Looks like the kinda scary fuker types that hang around school yards -sound proofed basement and all that

Wanna sweetie?

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:30:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Looks like the kinda scary fuker types that hang around school yards -sound proofed basement and all that

Wanna sweetie?

I wasn't going to go there, but he is his father's son, I suppose.
(Small wonder Melania's trying to keep Baron away from her husband's other kids, eh?)

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:33:30 AM   
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Hells bells I am glued to the orange goo. I hope the pussies in senate sneak in a bring back hanging amendment - kinda stick it on his desk and say oh Lord Orange Incompetence just sign it its your monthly Russian pay check...obviously sub clauses too: tar and feathering and birchings, scuddings with a big stick etc

TV show do you think? Now what would they call that
The Russian Apprentice?


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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:39:58 AM   
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Is this "bombshell" about a nobody Trump relative more important or less important than the bombshells we have seen about Obama's brother and his auntie etc


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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:42:27 AM   
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Grease Orange Lard- You're the one that I want

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 9:51:08 AM   
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mwahhh Obama's Brother
mwahhh Obama's Auntie

You treason enablers and embracers of collusion between your Russian OverLords are getting fuking desperate let me tell you.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 10:56:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I know you have no regard for laws, but your ignorance, is without compare.
PS they didnt find anything on clinton, so they failed, badly, and broke the law.
You sound as delusional as bosco and nnanji

Cha Ching! OMG, I've been selected for special hate spew from the court harpy. Do I get a trophy or something?

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 11:04:09 AM   
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Doubling up on lucy - you two pathetic bullying lying idiots have a habit of that with people on here dont you?

You are a virulent gonorrhoea.

You offer this site not one iota of goodness, let alone a truism

Now fuk off the pair (ors it same person)
You will not be missed

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 11:23:20 AM   
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Is this "bombshell" about a nobody Trump relative more important or less important than the bombshells we have seen about Obama's brother and his auntie etc


Which bombshells would those be?
Provide a source for your fake news, and remember that Obama hasn't been President since January.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 12:53:37 PM   
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In the heat of your father’s presidential campaign, a bozo British publicist emails you to set up a sit-down with a “Russian government attorney” promising “documents and information” to “incriminate Hillary” courtesy of the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” as “part of” the Russian government’s “support” for Dad — and you eagerly take the meeting.

Much more dramatic but pretty much on par with Podesta clicking on that phishing email.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 2:00:51 PM   
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And with intent to commit a felony.

That little difference.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 2:02:38 PM   
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And with intent to commit a felony.

That little difference.


Still on your insane rant

"Meeting people is a felony"

"Receiving information is a felony"



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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 2:04:20 PM   
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Nope.

Try reading it together with your reading tutor.

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RE: Trump son met Russian who promised material on Clinton - 7/12/2017 2:11:17 PM   
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So apparently the only way the right wing media can spin this is to write it off as harmless stupidity.
Except stupidity isn't harmless when it's tied to so much power...

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