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LMMFAO!! You're simply dismissing his argument (which you acknowledge you don't know) and claiming that he was just dismissing racism/multiculturalism.

Now that I have had a look at the complete video I can see the deceit that you pulled off here. Shame on you for it, DS!
Bama and I were talking about the problem of cops shooting unarmed black people and cops being ambushed in predominantly black neighborhoods. You come along and introduce a comment about multiculturalism and racism that you lifted out of a debate on CULTURAL DIVERSITY ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES and headlined by WHAT IS MULTICULTURALISM REALLY ABOUT.
Neither of these topics has anything to do with what is going on in the streets of our cities nor what has happened in our national history. Context matters. Placing Theil's remarks about college culture in the elite schools has fuck all to do with our history. Again, shame on you, DS.
Taking Thiel's comments about college campuses and trying to extrapolate them to America's social history would clearly be a dismissal of our national reality. Our historical racism and xenophobia has been and continues to be an embarrassing counterpoint to the false pride we take in being a "nation of immigrants." Clearly stupid shit on your part, DS. Zero respect for that bullshit.
So, get back to me when you or your puppet have something of substance to say in response to me observations on the racism and xenophobia that have been salient trademarks of American history. Try to use your own words and ideas if you have any. Let's keep the discussion on American culture and not on the narrow activities that take place on college campuses.

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LMMFAO!! You're simply dismissing his argument (which you acknowledge you don't know) and claiming that he was just dismissing racism/multiculturalism.

Now that I have had a look at the complete video I can see the deceit that you pulled off here. Shame on you for it, DS!
Bama and I were talking about the problem of cops shooting unarmed black people and cops being ambushed in predominantly black neighborhoods. You come along and introduce a comment about multiculturalism and racism that you lifted out of a debate on CULTURAL DIVERSITY ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES and headlined by WHAT IS MULTICULTURALISM REALLY ABOUT.
Neither of these topics has anything to do with what is going on in the streets of our cities nor what has happened in our national history. Context matters. Placing Theil's remarks about college culture in the elite schools has fuck all to do with our history. Again, shame on you, DS.
Taking Thiel's comments about college campuses and trying to extrapolate them to America's social history would clearly be a dismissal of our national reality. Our historical racism and xenophobia has been and continues to be an embarrassing counterpoint to the false pride we take in being a "nation of immigrants." Clearly stupid shit on your part, DS. Zero respect for that bullshit.
So, get back to me when you or your puppet have something of substance to say in response to me observations on the racism and xenophobia that have been salient trademarks of American history. Try to use your own words and ideas if you have any. Let's keep the discussion on American culture and not on the narrow activities that take place on college campuses.

It's amazing, Vince. The comment I made wasn't about the ambush of cops, cops killing unarmed black people, or anything of the like. Plus, you weren't discussing either of those things. You were attempting to show Bama to be a racist. The reason I posted the comment from a YouTube vid (which I didn't initially link to because it simply didn't matter, and still doesn't) was it went a ways towards explaining your fixation with racial issues.

Two cops were ambushed. They could have been black, white, hispanic, asian, etc. I still don't know. I haven't looked because it doesn't matter to me. The suspects haven't been racially defined. I still don't know what race they ascribe to. I haven't looked because it doesn't matter to me. It was YOU that assumed the suspects were black. You very well may be right, but there was no mention of it in the OP, nor in the article the OP linked to. You brought it into the conversation.

You are the person that tends to find racism in everything, Vince. Why? Probably because you're looking for it everywhere.

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Your misconception, DS. In the past year I have commented in eleven threads about "blacks." Only one definitely, maybe two were started by me. For the most part my comments were in reply. I commented on many other topics as well. As far as racism is concerned . . . shoot the messenger. Racism is America's original sin and it smolders at the very surface of our society to this day. We don't have to look very far to see it. I will not deny that racial injustice is a concern to me.

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Your misconception, DS. In the past year I have commented in eleven threads about "blacks." Only one definitely, maybe two were started by me. For the most part my comments were in reply. I commented on many other topics as well. As far as racism is concerned . . . shoot the messenger. Racism is America's original sin and it smolders at the very surface of our society to this day. We don't have to look very far to see it. I will not deny that racial injustice is a concern to me.

Not my misconception, Vince. This thread wasn't about race, until you brought race into it. I would agree that racism smolders near the surface of society today, but you rarely ever acknowledge much of it.

Any time a cop shoots someone, it's almost always going to be a bad thing. The only time it isn't, is if the cop shoots and takes down a killer that is intent on killing more innocent people. When a cop, or cops, kill an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a killer kills an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a cop is shot, it's a horrible thing, unless the cop was dirty and was involved in killing innocents.

You see, to some of us, it doesn't matter if the cop, the killer, the suspect, the perp, or the innocent citizen is of one race or another. And, for the vast majority of us that hold that belief, when a killing, shooting, murder, etc. is racially motivated, we speak out against it, regardless of the races involved. You should try that some time.

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The Court will not allow us to judge the motivations of a white cop who pumps seven bullets into an unarmed black man if he feared for his life, or as in the New York case (DiLilo, I believe) 41 bullets into a black man standing in the doorway of his apartment building.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Your misconception, DS. In the past year I have commented in eleven threads about "blacks." Only one definitely, maybe two were started by me. For the most part my comments were in reply. I commented on many other topics as well. As far as racism is concerned . . . shoot the messenger. Racism is America's original sin and it smolders at the very surface of our society to this day. We don't have to look very far to see it. I will not deny that racial injustice is a concern to me.

Not my misconception, Vince. This thread wasn't about race, until you brought race into it. I would agree that racism smolders near the surface of society today, but you rarely ever acknowledge much of it.

Any time a cop shoots someone, it's almost always going to be a bad thing. The only time it isn't, is if the cop shoots and takes down a killer that is intent on killing more innocent people. When a cop, or cops, kill an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a killer kills an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a cop is shot, it's a horrible thing, unless the cop was dirty and was involved in killing innocents.

You see, to some of us, it doesn't matter if the cop, the killer, the suspect, the perp, or the innocent citizen is of one race or another. And, for the vast majority of us that hold that belief, when a killing, shooting, murder, etc. is racially motivated, we speak out against it, regardless of the races involved. You should try that some time.

The number of unarmed blacks who are shot by police is highly disproportional to their numbers in the population. The Supreme Court has ruled that police are above suspicion when they say they feared for their lives. The Court will not allow us to judge the motivations of a white cop who pumps seven bullets into an unarmed black man if he feared for his life, or as in the New York case (DiLilo, I believe) 41 bullets into a black man standing in the doorway of his apartment building. Additionally, the disproportionate killing of black men is just an awful extension of the failed stop and frisk mentality that was pioneered by Mayor Giuliani in NYC. Black people see it as one higher level of the historic police harassment they suffered. We just cannot erase history, DS, as much as we would wish to ignore it. And it is disrespectful to people to ignore their historical grievances.

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Your misconception, DS. In the past year I have commented in eleven threads about "blacks." Only one definitely, maybe two were started by me. For the most part my comments were in reply. I commented on many other topics as well. As far as racism is concerned . . . shoot the messenger. Racism is America's original sin and it smolders at the very surface of our society to this day. We don't have to look very far to see it. I will not deny that racial injustice is a concern to me.

Not my misconception, Vince. This thread wasn't about race, until you brought race into it. I would agree that racism smolders near the surface of society today, but you rarely ever acknowledge much of it.

Any time a cop shoots someone, it's almost always going to be a bad thing. The only time it isn't, is if the cop shoots and takes down a killer that is intent on killing more innocent people. When a cop, or cops, kill an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a killer kills an innocent person, it's a horrible thing. When a cop is shot, it's a horrible thing, unless the cop was dirty and was involved in killing innocents.

You see, to some of us, it doesn't matter if the cop, the killer, the suspect, the perp, or the innocent citizen is of one race or another. And, for the vast majority of us that hold that belief, when a killing, shooting, murder, etc. is racially motivated, we speak out against it, regardless of the races involved. You should try that some time.

The number of unarmed blacks who are shot by police is highly disproportional to their numbers in the population. The Supreme Court has ruled that police are above suspicion when they say they feared for their lives. The Court will not allow us to judge the motivations of a white cop who pumps seven bullets into an unarmed black man if he feared for his life, or as in the New York case (DiLilo, I believe) 41 bullets into a black man standing in the doorway of his apartment building. Additionally, the disproportionate killing of black men is just an awful extension of the failed stop and frisk mentality that was pioneered by Mayor Giuliani in NYC. Black people see it as one higher level of the historic police harassment they suffered. We just cannot erase history, DS, as much as we would wish to ignore it. And it is disrespectful to people to ignore their historical grievances.