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DesideriScuri -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/30/2017 1:27:57 PM)
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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If you had said it, I wouldn't have had to ask if you were trying to make that argument. Nice way to not answer the question.
My answer is in the fact that I never mentioned it, FFS!
That doesn't answer the question. Not mentioning something doesn't necessarily mean you agree or don't agree.
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You're comparing a curricular thing with a non-curricular thing. Hardly the same. Plus, gym isn't just "active time," but there are rules to be learned, etc. My goal isn't to "spend less money" as it is to not place responsibilities on entities where that responsibility shouldn't be placed, and to spend money effectively.
Oh, c'mon! Rules to be learned? Is that why we had gym? Not to develop healthy exercise habits? I gave you that as a comparison to feeding homeless kids when they came to school so they can have the energy to learn. Seems pretty heartless to mandate homeless children to come to school and have them try to learn on an empty stomach.
Yes, rules to be learned. My kids have had homework and reports for phys. ed. Seriously.
Whether something is heartless or not is the new standard for doing something or not?!? Fuck that.
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A "mandatory learning" law? A "Self-discipline" law?
It's the whole "lead a horse to water" sort of thing there. Schools lead the kids to learning, but they can't force them to learn. At some point, the student has to accept that the responsibility of taking advantage of the opportunity to learn is on him. And, that's a critical point; one where a home environment that is nurturing and supportive of academic success can weigh in and have a dramatic impact.
You left your irony perception hat at home today. I said it was a conundrum. That is exactly my point. We can only lead them, excite them, seduce them, etc. We can mandate attendance but we cannot mandate learning nor self-discipline. As I also said, unfortunately, schools end up warehousing these kids until they reach the mandatory attendance law.
Oh, I got it. It would be a good thing to be able to have, but I can't see any way to do it without seriously infringing on freedoms and people's rights.
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"industrial education." I'm not 100% sure I know what you're referring to, but I'm going to continue under the assumption you're talking about "vocational education."
Yeah, same thing, good call. My bad. My high school was split into an academic track and a vocational track. Allegedly, the college bound and the factory bound. Kids were assigned to the blue collar curriculum based on their IQ, which was just their reading ability, imo. So, the students were segregated from each other. The result was a lot of discipline problems in the vocational track. The academic kids had to take a very few "shop" classes as well, but they were pretty much segregated then as well. That was the solution to what to do with the "unmotivated" kids.
I don't know if there were different tracks, but there was a college-prep curriculum. I don't know what the curriculum looked like outside of college-prep. But, the voc. ed. schools were semi separate entities. You go to Penta County Joint Vocational by choice. There are 16 schools (from 5 Counties; hence the name) feeding the school. Just found out, it's about $6k to attend, with scholarships for those who can't afford it. I didn't know there was an extra cost.
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So, yes, if "industrial education" is the same as what we call "vocational education" up here, it still exists, and is a damn good choice for kids who know they aren't going to go to college.
I didn't see it as a great choice in my small town because as far as I know it never offered any real future opportunities, it only segregated us, mostly racially. That is where multiculturalism failed in my experience.
Moving on, DS. Thanks, always enjoy talking with you. Ciao!
Enjoy, Vincent.
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