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Edwird -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/23/2017 6:07:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
One can easily find a restaurant where the staff speak decent or actually good English while serving their good Mexican or Thai or Indian or Middle Eastern or etc. food.
But the most excellent and entertaining cuisine I've experienced was from hole-in-the-wall or side-street places where nether of us could understand what the other was saying and we both had resort to lots of finger pointing and physical histrionics.
The comedy itself worth the price of admission. I never knew I was so funny.


I don't give a fuck if I have to point to a picture of what I want, as long as the Thai food is damn good (I've never not had 'good' Thai food, but some establishments are head and shoulders beyond good). lol



I don't recall anyone on these threads complaining about Asians or any other group who is nonviolent or who aren't migrating illegally and taking a lot of jobs away from citizens or whatever. So the issue isn't about race itself in any way


Nah.

It's just about "Rapists and Murderers!"

No harm meant.

If asked about facile and greasy accusations and outright lies, the response is . . .

"I won."




Edwird -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/23/2017 6:24:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I don't know you well enough to know when you're intending sarcasm and when you're not.


Read the rest of the post.

I think it's quite obvious that I am not being faceteuous and that I am honestly against tax dollars to efforts towards funds to English lessons and/or 'Spanish accommodation' classes ('extra help').

We can't afford it, end of story.

And they've got it all figured out, anyway, no matter how much the rest of you are asleep and absolutely NOT paying attention.

Why would I make up stories about all these schools being shut down to mere purpose of 'sarcasm'? The school shut downs were fact, all over the country, not just here.

Admittedly, I'm a nasty bitch sometimes, but no way am I that cruel as to insert such account as fallacy..

I'm not in the finance biz.






Edwird -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 12:56:59 AM)

The guy and his crew who put up a fence in my dad's back yard could hardly speak 10 words of English. His 14 yr. old daughter translated all the negotiation, as she apparently did in most all her dad's ventures. Not even a hint of 'foreign accent' on her part. Another 'news reader in the making.'

What great training by way of firsthand experience for a kid. Her 8 yr. old brother tagged along and was doing the tennis match eyeball (and ear drum) thing in watching the girl and her and my dad.

Step-mom to girl: "Do you like school?" girl: "Oh yes, I like school very much!" "I want to go to medical school in college."

It disgusts me when idiots with only life experience apparently being in Wonder Bread towns and neighborhoods, where snow is the second whitest thing, proclaim that "multiculturalism isn't working in the US!"

To them I can only say:

Private Idaho

Put a sock in it, etc.





vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 3:55:08 AM)

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As I said before; digging into journals and articles and textbooks while being in abstinence from observance of reality is not serving the purpose, here.

I said earlier that I really did not want to discuss my life experience. Not only is it a pompous exercise I dislike but in the final analysis we are talking about a huge political problem that I alone cannot solve, but I can contribute to the solution by being a voice challenging misbegotten presumptions. The comment about journals, articles and textbooks and being absent from the reality is beyond the pale. So, I give you the following information grudgingly.

I was born in Newark. My first ten years were spent in a public housing project. Integrated. We moved to a ring suburb. Integrated. After high school I went into the army and after the army I went to college.

I married and moved to Miami. My career included thirty years teaching public junior high schools and senior high school in the Miami-Dade County School District, at that time the 4th largest in the nation. 18,000 teachers, 250,000 students if I recall it correctly.

I arrived at North Dade Junior High School in 1970. The student population was near 100% black. The administration and the faculty were mightily black. We white teachers were the first whites these students ever had. The school system was under court order to integrate the faculty in all schools. I was mentored by a young, black female Assistant Principal who took me in hand and guided me. I attended weekend workshops on classroom management. Sadly, Albertha died of cancer during my third year at the school. There were a very few Hispanic kids in that school. There were mandatory staff meetings where black and white teachers discussed issues of the neighborhood and of integration of the faculty. I met and talked with plenty of parents.

My next experience was at Citrus Grove Junior High, located a few blocks from the Orange Bowl and on the fringe of the Little Havana neighborhood. The Cubans had been in Miami only ten years. The faculty was predominantly Hispanic with some whites and blacks. I got to know those kids as well as I had gotten to know the black kids in the northern part of the county.

I was at Citrus Grove during the Marielito Boat Lift, when Castro emptied his jails and mental hospitals and let his prisoners and mental patients flee to Florida along with workers from the sugar cane fields. The crime rate spiked in Miami, and so did the cocaine sales in the early eighties. My school was one of the two schools marked to absorb the children of the boat lift, along with Miami Senior High. We had several years of chaos thereafter.

The last years of my career were spent at American Senior H.S. which is at the Northwestern corner of the county (if you don't count the Everglades) The student population and the faculty were pretty fairly equally white, black, and Latino. I taught them all and became chairman of the Science Department. I don't recall for certain but the student population was maybe 2000 to 3000. I taught minimum 150 kids each day.

Don't tell me my experience and knowledge come from journals and textbooks and that I was absent from the experience of reality. That would be a lie or an ignorant statement.

This is an embarrassing reveal and I am not happy about it. My experience teaching urban kids is a proud highlight of my life. Those cultures absorbed me daily for thirty years. It is my business, not yours. The shoddy comment about my experience was insulting.






vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 7:07:18 AM)

@CREATIVE DOMINANT
@KDSUB

CD:

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Now then...are you even willing to consider that when a protest gets out of hand and buildings start being destroyed and cars go up in flames, that isn't on the white man? Are you even willing to concede that some blacks on poverty are there through their own poor choices? Or are you one of those "white-guilt"-ridden types who never sees any responsibility of the black race to do some things differently?

The rioting, when it happens, it is a relatively rare phenomenon, arises from frustration at the actions of white authority. The downside of the rioting is that it reinforces white attitudes that blacks are criminal and to be feared.

Poverty and poor choices? Does that apply to poor blacks exclusive of poor whites? And what choices are relevant?

White guilt? [:'(]

Butch:

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Every thread like this you accuse or insinuate that whoever disagrees with you is prejudice or blind to what is happening in America between races.


You are inferring that, Butch. I don't recall ever laying down the marker that you had to agree with me. The comments I have seen have reinforced my premise that white people as a rule don't understand that one problem is their own attitudes toward blacks.

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The compromise is not in allowing wrongs to continue but realizing other fair minded people have different views and ideas on how to solve the problem and move forward.

How do you propose compromising on racial injustice?

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I happen to believe most of the problems of African Americans today can only be remedied by African Americans themselves.

We disagree, Butch. Again you are blaming the victims and exonerating the role of institutional racial inequality.

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If you and I were to set down without generalities and look at realities I know we could come to agree on what we think is a path to address the total problem not just one side. That goes for me as well I fully realize I do not have all the answers.


The answers to what? We do not even agree on the problem.

Back later, out to the stores . . . . vML




tweakabelle -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 8:19:18 AM)

If it's any help, the discussion of race and in particular Aboriginal disadvantage here mirrors the discussion in the US. (If the issues raised by Vincent and kdsub are representative of the US discussion.)

Many whites here expect Aborigines to ignore the fact that they have had a continent taken from them by force, that they have received no compensation for this theft, that it was only in 1967 that Aborigines were first included in population counts, that from an Aboriginal perspective, white settlement was a catastrophe that brought with it discrimination, abuse, disease, murder, rape with little or no legal protection or recourse, that today Aboriginal life spans are much shorter than the rest of the population, that Aborigines receive inferior health care with grossly inferior health outcomes ... need I go on?

Aborigines are asked to ignore or forget all this, and to compete on an equal footing with others who have long enjoyed all the rights privileges and entitlements of being a citizen of one of the world's wealthiest countries.

You would have to be crazy to think that this is a fair deal for Aborigines. Unsurprisingly they don't and many decline the offer.

Those same whites who offer Aborigines such a bum deal then turn around and blame Aborigines for the circumstances they find themselves in, and deny any responsibility for lifting Aboriginal living standards and quality of life standards up to the level of the rest of the population. Of course they refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own role in creating and/or sustaining these problems.

Until White Australian acknowledges the gross injustice of this arrangement, until it recognises its own primary role in the oppression of Aborigines, until it takes a blowtorch to the racism that informs many white perspectives, it's unlikely things will change much. How could they when one of the primary causes of the problems remains unaddressed?






vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 8:26:59 AM)

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I think it's quite obvious that I am not being faceteuous and that I am honestly against tax dollars to efforts towards funds to English lessons and/or 'Spanish accommodation' classes ('extra help').


Are you against using tax dollars to educate children with Down's Syndrome?

Or kids with Asperger's Syndrome?





vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 8:31:57 AM)

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Until White Australian acknowledges the gross injustice of this arrangement, until it recognises its own primary role in the oppression of Aborigines, until it takes a blowtorch to the racism that informs many white perspectives, it's unlikely things will change much. How could they when one of the primary causes of the problems remains unaddressed?


Please enlighten me as I am unaware:

Do any Aborigines live and work in your cities?

Do they attend your public schools?

Have they ever mounted a physical protest or rebellion?




tweakabelle -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 8:45:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Until White Australian acknowledges the gross injustice of this arrangement, until it recognises its own primary role in the oppression of Aborigines, until it takes a blowtorch to the racism that informs many white perspectives, it's unlikely things will change much. How could they when one of the primary causes of the problems remains unaddressed?


Please enlighten me as I am unaware:

Do any Aborigines live and work in your cities?

Do they attend your public schools?

Have they ever mounted a physical protest or rebellion?

Do any Aborigines live and work in your cities? Yes many do, especially in country towns. Conditions there are roughly equivalent to the projects in the US, with a pefectly matching array of social problems - under education poor skills unemployment poor housing substance abuse domestic violence and crime ... Mixed suburbs are rare - indigenous housing tends to be social (govt) housing while non-indigenous suburbs tend to be owner occupied, so there are class as well as racial divides in operation.

Do they attend your public schools? Yes. Educational outcomes for Aborigines are gradually improving but still lag behind the general population. Greater numbers are receiving tertiary education and graduating too, with obvious flow on effects to communities. However the scale of disadvantage is daunting

Have they ever mounted a physical protest or rebellion? There were isolated armed rebellions in the 19th century. Today's activists are focussed on a Treaty between Aboriginial and European Australia, or indigenous recognition in the Constitution. There is a widespread Land Rights Movement which has been successful in enabling the return of alienated land to its indigenous owners, with full property rights (unless someone discovers some minerals then land rights can be over ridden by legislation and often is).

There is a lot of goodwill to Aborigines among the non-indigenous population, but also a lot of virulent racism. Even after a few centuries of co-habiting the same space, it would be a stretch to say that White Australia has learnt how to communicate successfully with indigenous Australia. Colonisers don't make good listeners do they? There are many parallels with the US, and even more with Canada.

I hope that was helpful.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 12:01:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@CREATIVE DOMINANT
@KDSUB

CD:

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Now then...are you even willing to consider that when a protest gets out of hand and buildings start being destroyed and cars go up in flames, that isn't on the white man? Are you even willing to concede that some blacks on poverty are there through their own poor choices? Or are you one of those "white-guilt"-ridden types who never sees any responsibility of the black race to do some things differently?

The rioting, when it happens, it is a relatively rare phenomenon, arises from frustration at the actions of white authority. The downside of the rioting is that it reinforces white attitudes that blacks are criminal and to be feared.

Poverty and poor choices? Does that apply to poor blacks exclusive of poor whites? And what choices are relevant?

White guilt? [:'(]

Butch:

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Every thread like this you accuse or insinuate that whoever disagrees with you is prejudice or blind to what is happening in America between races.


You are inferring that, Butch. I don't recall ever laying down the marker that you had to agree with me. The comments I have seen have reinforced my premise that white people as a rule don't understand that one problem is their own attitudes toward blacks.

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The compromise is not in allowing wrongs to continue but realizing other fair minded people have different views and ideas on how to solve the problem and move forward.

How do you propose compromising on racial injustice?

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I happen to believe most of the problems of African Americans today can only be remedied by African Americans themselves.

We disagree, Butch. Again you are blaming the victims and exonerating the role of institutional racial inequality.

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If you and I were to set down without generalities and look at realities I know we could come to agree on what we think is a path to address the total problem not just one side. That goes for me as well I fully realize I do not have all the answers.


The answers to what? We do not even agree on the problem.

Back later, out to the stores . . . . vML
So basically...your answer is "no, it is NEVER on the black man". They are always the victim.






kdsub -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 12:28:31 PM)

Vince I'm glad you and I are not being adversarial anymore... I think we both get frustrated now and then and do not use the best language and reasoning.

You ask what i would do and I can tell you it is not only what I would do but what I have done. I've stated my views on many threads like this and would again in a thread on what can be done and not a side bar like this.

Again we have different views on attitudes.... I think you are only half right...and this is where we most always disagree. You believe the biggest problem is whites lack of understanding of black problems. To me most whites... even in mixed neighborhoods don't even think about black problems one way or the other. This does not make them racists. They are just living their lives and on the whole thinking and treating everyone the same no matter race of ethnicity. So when African Americans are protesting and rioting and calling whites racists they say to themselves...I'm not racists and It pisses them off that they are being accused... that's a problem. Blacks have an even bigger problem... they are assigning blame to whites when many of the problems they face have nothing to do with racism today. In the inner cities their children are killing each other... they are out on school nights in the streets... they are not attending school as they should and when they do there is often the don't be like whites attitude to scholastic success. When crimes are committed they are not reported to the police...and there is the no snitch attitude when it comes to helping police solve crime... If you live in an are with high crime there is going to be a bigger police presence and if they are not welcomed as protectors but suppressors there will be problems as we have seen in the last few years... attitude counts.

I could go on and on with the problems that only Black neighborhoods can solve and control. Now where is the root cause of these problems... well it is from discrimination in past generations that has perpetuated poverty...but not necessarily today. Again I can only go by my area but I can tell you that if you look closely when you see peaceful protesters on racial issues you will see a good portion are whites... in fact on some occasions there have been more whites than blacks. So many whites are not only not racists but more than a few have actually taking the times to join ranks with African Americans.

There are many easy steps that can be taken to start the recovery and some not so easy...but it takes a change in attitude more from blacks than whites because the worse problems they have only they can solve them.

Butch





DesideriScuri -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 3:54:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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I think it's quite obvious that I am not being faceteuous and that I am honestly against tax dollars to efforts towards funds to English lessons and/or 'Spanish accommodation' classes ('extra help').

Are you against using tax dollars to educate children with Down's Syndrome?
Or kids with Asperger's Syndrome?


Are you attempting to equate people with a genetic chromosomal defect or a developmental disorder with people who are in the US illegally?




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/24/2017 4:04:23 PM)

Tweak and Vince....................we also have a very specialised military border force in the Northern Territory and Northern Queensland that consists totally of First Inhabitants ( Aboriginals), which I believe is called NorForce and watches over out northern shores. We wouldn't do as well without them.




vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 5:08:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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I think it's quite obvious that I am not being faceteuous and that I am honestly against tax dollars to efforts towards funds to English lessons and/or 'Spanish accommodation' classes ('extra help').

Are you against using tax dollars to educate children with Down's Syndrome?
Or kids with Asperger's Syndrome?


Are you attempting to equate people with a genetic chromosomal defect or a developmental disorder with people who are in the US illegally?


We are talking about children here. We are committed to teach children no matter their background. We had large numbers of Cuban children who were refugees back in the 60s and 70s. I am pointing out to you that the child has no control over his condition, whether it is refugee or Down's Syndrome. Why do you have difficulty with that?




vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 5:17:54 AM)

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There is a lot of goodwill to Aborigines among the non-indigenous population, but also a lot of virulent racism. Even after a few centuries of co-habiting the same space, it would be a stretch to say that White Australia has learnt how to communicate successfully with indigenous Australia. Colonisers don't make good listeners do they? There are many parallels with the US, and even more with Canada.

Thank you so much, Tweak. That was very helpful. Sometimes colonizers do not even recognize they are colonizers and want to "compromise" with the indigenous people. "Oh, yeh, we destroyed your families and exploited your labor but that was in the past, a long time ago. Can't we now just get along?"

Thanks again for the window into your world. [:)]




vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 5:21:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

If it's any help, the discussion of race and in particular Aboriginal disadvantage here mirrors the discussion in the US. (If the issues raised by Vincent and kdsub are representative of the US discussion.)

Many whites here expect Aborigines to ignore the fact that they have had a continent taken from them by force, that they have received no compensation for this theft, that it was only in 1967 that Aborigines were first included in population counts, that from an Aboriginal perspective, white settlement was a catastrophe that brought with it discrimination, abuse, disease, murder, rape with little or no legal protection or recourse, that today Aboriginal life spans are much shorter than the rest of the population, that Aborigines receive inferior health care with grossly inferior health outcomes ... need I go on?

Aborigines are asked to ignore or forget all this, and to compete on an equal footing with others who have long enjoyed all the rights privileges and entitlements of being a citizen of one of the world's wealthiest countries.

You would have to be crazy to think that this is a fair deal for Aborigines. Unsurprisingly they don't and many decline the offer.

Those same whites who offer Aborigines such a bum deal then turn around and blame Aborigines for the circumstances they find themselves in, and deny any responsibility for lifting Aboriginal living standards and quality of life standards up to the level of the rest of the population. Of course they refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own role in creating and/or sustaining these problems.

Until White Australian acknowledges the gross injustice of this arrangement, until it recognises its own primary role in the oppression of Aborigines, until it takes a blowtorch to the racism that informs many white perspectives, it's unlikely things will change much. How could they when one of the primary causes of the problems remains unaddressed?




See the boldened. That is ever so familiar on this forum.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 6:04:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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I think it's quite obvious that I am not being faceteuous and that I am honestly against tax dollars to efforts towards funds to English lessons and/or 'Spanish accommodation' classes ('extra help').

Are you against using tax dollars to educate children with Down's Syndrome?
Or kids with Asperger's Syndrome?

Are you attempting to equate people with a genetic chromosomal defect or a developmental disorder with people who are in the US illegally?

We are talking about children here. We are committed to teach children no matter their background. We had large numbers of Cuban children who were refugees back in the 60s and 70s. I am pointing out to you that the child has no control over his condition, whether it is refugee or Down's Syndrome. Why do you have difficulty with that?


1. You think children are the only ones that take ESL or Spanish Accommodation classes?
2. Now, on to just the children, since you seem to want to limit it to them... did the parents of the Downs or Aspberger's Syndrome babies have a choice in their children's issues, like the parents of the children needing ESL or Spanish Accommodation classes? YUGE difference, no?





vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 6:24:23 AM)

Fair enough, Butch. I am willing to have a discussion with you on this issue. Let's take a look at some of your points.

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To me most whites... even in mixed neighborhoods don't even think about black problems one way or the other.


Of course they don't. Understandably, they have their own daily-living problems. But when a crisis arises and their attention is aroused mostly they condemn the blacks for protesting. Not because they are being called racists. They respond negatively to the ugliness they see which reaffirms the thug image, the dangerous black man image that prevails in white culture, a remnant of the days when slave owners lived in fear of a slave rebellion.

Here is an article about some experiments that demonstrated white attitudes toward harsh justice laws were modified by manipulating their exposure to blacks via mug shots and statistics. I won't go into details but the result is that whites have an implicit fear of blacks and would tighten judicial laws even agreeing they are too harsh. Stop and frisk laws and three strikes laws were primary examples.

Some comments from the study:

Taken together, the conclusion was that “exposing people to extreme racial disparities in the prison population” led to a greater fear of crime and—at best—an unwillingness to support reform. For as much as you might be outraged by the vast racial disparities in marijuana arrests, for example, the general public might see the image of a young black man and hunker down in its support for marijuana prohibition.

It’s disheartening. But, if I can indulge my cynicism for a moment, it’s also not too surprising. From previous research, we know that—among white Americans—there’s a strong cognitive connection between “blackness” and criminality. “The mere presence of a black man,” note Eberhardt and other researchers in a 2004 paper, “can trigger thoughts that he is violent and criminal.”

Indeed, they continue, simply thinking about black Americans can lead people to see ambiguous actions as aggressive and to see harmless objects as weapons. When Michael Dunn saw 17-year-old Jordan Davis and his friends, he perceived a threat, imagined a gun, and opened fire, killing Davis. “I was the one who was victimized,” said Dunn in a phone call to his fiancée before his trial. It’s ludicrous, but it’s not dishonest. Like many other Americans, Dunn sees black people—and black men in particular—as a criminal threat.

What’s striking is this goes both ways. “In a crime-obsessed culture,” says the study, “simply thinking of crime can lead perceivers to conjure up images of Black Americans that ‘ready’ these perceivers to register and selectively attend to Black people who may be present in the actual physical environment.” In other words, the connection between blacks and crime is so tight that just thinking about crime—irrespective of the environment—triggers thoughts of black people in the same way that thinking of black people triggers thoughts of crime. And if you want a more disturbing thought, consider this: In one of the 2004 experiments, researchers found that exposing police officers to crime-related words followed by photos of black inmates “increases the likelihood that they will misremember a black face as more stereotypically black than it actually was.”

On top of this, there’s the stubborn persistence of false or faulty ideas. “Misperceptions, like zombies, are difficult to kill,” writes political scientist Brendan Nyhan, citing the health care reform “death panel” myth, which persists five years after Sarah Palin pushed it into the mainstream. In fact, they’re so durable that giving counterinformation can strengthen the original misperception. Confront vaccine-skeptics with evidence that vaccines don’t cause autism, and they may respond with greater skepticism.

The dynamic between race, crime, and criminal justice reform is similar. Tell people that blacks are overpoliced and over-represented in prison, and it triggers thoughts of crime, which leads to fear, which causes a backfire effect as people follow their fear and embrace the status quo of unfair, overly punitive punishments.

The immediate takeaway is that advocates might want to try different language (or a different approach) in their campaign to reform the criminal justice system. Racial injustice might be the main problem, but that doesn’t mean it’s the problem the broader public wants to solve.

To go a little deeper, however, I think this study further underscores the extent to which “blackness” retains its racial stigma, even as we move far away from the time of explicit anti-black attitudes. The dramatic progress of the past 50 years hasn’t dismantled America’s racial hierarchy or reshaped its form. The mythical “war on whites” notwithstanding, black Americans remain a disfavored class, subject to negative stereotypes, residential segregation, and rampant police violence.

Not that there aren’t bright spots. Large communities of black Americans succeed and thrive in ways that weren’t possible a few decades ago. But ask yourself, during downturns and recessions, why are blacks the worst off? Why do they fall furthest? Is it some unique pathology? Or is the racial caste system—and our subconscious racial attitudes—more durable than we want to believe?


So yes, most white people are not overtly racists, they do not even think of race, but they link race to criminality when confronted with a social stressor. When judging criminality there is an implicit racism, a long historical stigma that persists along with a fear of black men in the media and in our psyches. That's why reform of racial injustice is delayed. Politicians demagogue the race card. You need only recall the ugliness of Trumps descriptions of black neighborhoods which he cynically claimed he would fix during the campaign. Can you doubt that Trump was pushing the "fear" button?





vincentML -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 6:36:38 AM)

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Blacks have an even bigger problem... they are assigning blame to whites when many of the problems they face have nothing to do with racism today. In the inner cities their children are killing each other... they are out on school nights in the streets... they are not attending school as they should and when they do there is often the don't be like whites attitude to scholastic success.


What is an inner city? How close to down town or to city hall do you have to be to count as an inner city? Harlem is ten miles from Manhattan city hall. Does that count as an inner city while the East Village, only a few miles from city hall is not an inner city.

I propose that an inner city is a metaphor to describe any over crowded city blocks where blacks live in poverty. It is a reservation, a ghetto. Did blacks aggregate to these areas on their own initiative? Were they drawn there by some promise? Or were they corralled by housing regulations created by the white power structure? And why are incidents of police brutality more common in these inner city conclaves? So yes, there is legitimate blame to be assigned to the white power structure and to white fear-flight for the creation of these colonies.





MrRodgers -> RE: Does Multiculturalism work? (7/25/2017 10:04:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Oh gosh no. Let's all huddle in our own walled off neighborhoods and ignore the fact that the world is made up of OTHERS! OMG, Others!! [:o]

.....and that may not...be like us.




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