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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:32:06 AM   
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- Your assertion that atheism is a form of religion is self-serving nonsense, essentially the claim that non-belief is a belief. If you don't believe in fairies, are you a believer in Anti-Fairyism? If you don't believe in monsters under the bed, are you an adherent of Anti-Subbedmonsterism? FFS. We're defined by our positive choices of beliefs and adherences, not by those we over look. No one is known for not playing the violin, or not being a ballet dance.



atheists are fucking hilarious! Now you are going to push your twisted misapplied play on words [a logical fallacy] as some kind of grand design?

of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.

Yoru substitution of a locution for a valid premise is as loony as saying [a negation] the antithesis is not thesis.

Seriously you are smarter than that arent you?




Richard Dawkins has lost: meet the new new atheists

Secular humanism is recovering from its Dawkinsite phase – and beginning a more interesting conversation
Theo Hobson

Theo Hobson 13 April 2013 9:00 AM

The atheist spring that began just over a decade ago is over, thank God.

Richard Dawkins is now seen by many, even many non-believers, as a joke figure, shaking his fist at sky fairies. He’s the Mary Whitehouse of our day.

So what was all that about, then? We can see it a bit more clearly now. It was an outpouring of frustration at the fact that religion is maddeningly complicated and stubbornly irritating, even in largely secular Britain. This frustration had been building for decades: the secular intellectual is likely to feel somewhat bothered by religion, even if it is culturally weak. Oh, she finds it charming and interesting to a large extent, and loves a cosy carol service, but religion really ought to know its place. Instead it dares to accuse the secular world of being somehow -deficient.

The success of five or six atheist authors, on both sides of the Atlantic, seemed to herald a strong new movement. It seemed that non-believers were tired of all the nuance surrounding religion, hungry for a tidy narrative that put them neatly in the right.

Atheism is still with us. But the movement that threatened to form has petered out. Crucially, atheism’s younger advocates are reluctant to compete for the role of Dawkins’s disciple. They are more likely to bemoan the new atheist approach and call for large injections of nuance.

All these writers admirably refuse to lapse into a comfortably sweeping ideology that claims the moral high ground for unbelief. Life’s complicated, they admit. Institutional religion might be dubious, but plenty of its servants buck that trend with a flair that puts secular culture to shame.


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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:37:49 AM   
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You are insane.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:39:28 AM   
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of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.


So, assuming you don't accept that the moon is made of cheese, that would make you a *believer* in a non-cheese constitution of the moon? Just checking.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:46:42 AM   
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You are insane.



more like I can identify and expose your tautological and equivocation fallacies and you like others here have your panties around your ankles.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:48:09 AM   
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Not with this silly pretense, no.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:49:25 AM   
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of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.


So, assuming you don't accept that the moon is made of cheese, that would make you a *believer* in a non-cheese constitution of the moon? Just checking.



more atheist foolishness.

You believe the moon is not made of cheese, you are a twu believer! LOL

Such imbecilic foolishness like I have never seen before!



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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:50:27 AM   
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Not with this silly pretense, no.



Stop pretending you have an argument and fucking make one then.


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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:53:35 AM   
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well you think about that, I have things to do

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 10:52:02 AM   
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Not with this silly pretense, no.



Stop pretending you have an argument and fucking make one then.


See the one you ignored:


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That's the most convoluted chain of pretend logic I've seen since the elementary school joke explaining why fire engines are red.

- Across the globe, secularism is on the rise.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/religion-declining-secula_b_9889398.html

- Among those embracing spirituality, those who follow a particular religion are decreasing.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

- Your assertion that atheism is a form of religion is self-serving nonsense, essentially the claim that non-belief is a belief. If you don't believe in fairies, are you a believer in Anti-Fairyism? If you don't believe in monsters under the bed, are you an adherent of Anti-Subbedmonsterism? FFS. We're defined by our positive choices of beliefs and adherences, not by those we over look. No one is known for not playing the violin, or not being a ballet dance.

- i follow a spiritual path and help others to find and practice theirs. I'm very comfortable with people who follow an established religion, with the exception of the fundamentalist crazies. And I think you're insane.

- I also don't see secular beliefs (there's no fucking thing as "secularism") as challenging spiritual beliefs. If you do, then your spiritual practice and belief is damn weak. Maybe you should work on that first.


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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 12:15:28 PM   
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of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.


So, assuming you don't accept that the moon is made of cheese, that would make you a *believer* in a non-cheese constitution of the moon? Just checking.


more atheist foolishness.

You believe the moon is not made of cheese, you are a twu believer! LOL


That's your whole point and has ever been your your only point re non-believers. You claim non-belief to be a 'religion.' What a dullwit.

Congrats on looking up the term 'tautology.' Too bad you will never get a clue what it actually means, no matter how many times you try to read the explanation.

So, yeah, parents across the globe are infiltrating and insinuating into the young minds of their own children with the 'religion' that there are no monsters under the bed.


Have a nice day, and don't let the bed bugs bite.

But you really need to wash those sheets more than once a year, truly.


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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 12:19:17 PM   
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In the United States and in Europe, the secular left has been losing power in the political realm and political parties on the right have been ascendant (Donald Trump being elected and Republicans maintaining both house of Congress in 2016, Brexit, European right-wing parties are ascendant).


http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_10_reasons_why_American_atheism_will_see_a_significant_decline

yep day i-tis



Nope, european right-wing parties are no longer on the ascendant since DT got elected and paid his first visits over here.
His effect was and is absolutely devastating to his self-declared friends.

His failed attempts to tip the balance in favour of Le Pen and Wijlders at the last elections have demolished their reputation. After they lost they both vanished from the political surface and nobody misses them ever since.





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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 12:31:46 PM   
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So a good-old friendly slap on the back from "Mr. T" is a death knell to European "political conservatives."

Nice to know we are providing some service to the rest of the world, in any case.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 12:37:13 PM   
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Mr. T?


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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 12:44:39 PM   
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Donald "I pity the fool!" J Trump. Yes.

So then 26% of US voters decided that they wanted a WWE election and got themselves a 'Rocky' bad guy in the bargain.

Life couldn't be better for them.

De-evolution at its finest.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 1:05:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.


So, assuming you don't accept that the moon is made of cheese, that would make you a *believer* in a non-cheese constitution of the moon? Just checking.



more atheist foolishness.

You believe the moon is not made of cheese, you are a twu believer! LOL

Such imbecilic foolishness like I have never seen before!




What's foolish about it?

I'm not a believer in the idea of the moon being made out of cheese, because that makes no sense to me. In the same way, I'm not a believer in the Christian idea of God, because that makes no sense either.

Do you see? I went to no website to come to the above two conclusions. I did not read Dawkins. I had no need of Darwin or of Marx. I just got older ... and both ideas went 'pop' - and then they were gone.






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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 1:13:11 PM   
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No.

The real Mr. T would have got things done.

And brought the A team to the White House.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 2:06:22 PM   
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Seems almost everything on page 1 at Google either says atheism (secularism) is on the rise and religion...is not.

HERE

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 4:36:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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of course its belief.

one group believes yes the other group believes no.


So, assuming you don't accept that the moon is made of cheese, that would make you a *believer* in a non-cheese constitution of the moon? Just checking.



more atheist foolishness.

You believe the moon is not made of cheese, you are a twu believer! LOL

Such imbecilic foolishness like I have never seen before!




What's foolish about it?

I'm not a believer in the idea of the moon being made out of cheese, because that makes no sense to me. In the same way, I'm not a believer in the Christian idea of God, because that makes no sense either.

Do you see? I went to no website to come to the above two conclusions. I did not read Dawkins. I had no need of Darwin or of Marx. I just got older ... and both ideas went 'pop' - and then they were gone.








You people are illiterate. I have the insane MM projecting and calling me insane because I exposed the atheist [ILL]ogic. Hell not even Dawkins will take on your peoples level of stupidity. He's not the dumb.

your conclusions demonstrate extreme lack of cognitive ability. Precisely what is the complaint about todays colleges.

Very simple, children who have not been state programmed get it correct but adults especially those claiming phds cant pull their heads out long enough to to save their asses.

What you need to do is prove your proposition. MM cant, he thinks reason and logic is insane, so take your best shot.

Using the moon is made of cheese.

P1 believes the moon is made of cheese.

P2 believes the moon is not made of cheese.
P3 disbelieves the moon is made of cheeze.
P4 is not a believer that the moon is made of cheeze.

I would add a 'no belief' condition but that would be insane, since its impossoble to take a position with no belief. (Though I have seen a few bottom of the gene pool types argue that believe it or not)

Your job is to explain make a clear distinction by laying out the precise difference between P2, P3, P4.




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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 6:41:46 PM   
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lol. the retard peeps and mutters.

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RE: US & WorldWide Christianity On The Rise Atheism is ... - 7/19/2017 8:25:26 PM   
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I think god is a cartoonist.

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