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respectmen -> Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/19/2017 12:11:41 PM)
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/734394404659273748 While indigenous men are 3 times more likely to be murdered. The empathy gap strikes again.

tj444 -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/19/2017 2:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen https://www.minds.com/blog/view/734394404659273748 While indigenous men are 3 times more likely to be murdered. The empathy gap strikes again. OMG, Talk about twisting the facts.. the "focus" on the indigenous women are the missing women who have been murdered by a serial killer or killers, in particular, a certain highway (Highway of Tears) where many of the women were last seen alive.. they are strangers so those cases are not solved easily.. but the fact is that most homicides of aboriginals are solved (& btw 70% of the aboriginal women murdered were killed by aboriginal men).. murdered men are not being ignored as their cases are usually solved & serial killers dont usually go after men.. Following your stupid logic, the police that tried to solve the Green River murders in the US were ignoring murders of men, and anytime any police dept tries to solve a series of similar/identical murders of women, they are ignoring murdered men.. You are a despicable ass.. "Most homicides of aboriginals were solved. In fact, StatCan said, police were more likely to solve killings where aboriginals were victims than those involving non-aboriginal victims. Overall, when the crimes were solved, most victims — 83 per cent — knew their killers, data show — a situation that has long been the case." from a link in your link..

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/19/2017 5:29:19 PM)
That's one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen. So men are the vast majority of victims yet serial killers only go for women? All too funny. Any citations to back this up?

stef -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/19/2017 10:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen That's one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen. Clearly you haven't been reading your own posts then.

tweakabelle -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/20/2017 1:17:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen The ~~empathy~~reading comprehension gap strikes again. There I fixed it for you. Please don't feel any need to thank me.

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/20/2017 1:34:08 AM)
More like leftist stupidity strikes again. There is no logical and reasonable argument you people are making, there is no logical and reasonable justification for why female murder victims get most to all the media attention while males get fuck all despite that males are the vast majority of victims. You know you haven't got a leg to stand on, this is why you are carrying on with this pathetic bullshit. As to what tj444 was saying. quote: women are the missing women who have been murdered by a serial killer or killers Guess what? Men go missing too! You fucking moron Guess what? Men get murdered my serial killers too! You fucking moron. Jesus christ people are fucking stupid. So tell me, how exactly is it any more special when the victim is female? Come on, come up with a logical and reasonable answer. I'm confident to bet my bottom dollar that you can't because there isn't any logical and reasonable answer. The fact of the matter is that you favour females, end of story.o So instead of coming up with the same old lefty tactics like "you didn't read the article", attack my question that I just asked in this post instead of avoiding it. Whatever females have been through, so have males. In fact, males have in much bigger numbers! Therefore, you have to be a utter fucking moron to suggest that female victims should get more empathy and attention. Your favouritism for females clouds your judgement in thinking rationally.

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/20/2017 1:47:06 AM)
In regards of missing people, here's a good one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

tj444 -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/20/2017 9:30:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen More like leftist stupidity strikes again. There is no logical and reasonable argument you people are making, there is no logical and reasonable justification for why female murder victims get most to all the media attention while males get fuck all despite that males are the vast majority of victims. You know you haven't got a leg to stand on, this is why you are carrying on with this pathetic bullshit. As to what tj444 was saying. quote: women are the missing women who have been murdered by a serial killer or killers Guess what? Men go missing too! You fucking moron Guess what? Men get murdered my serial killers too! You fucking moron. Jesus christ people are fucking stupid. So tell me, how exactly is it any more special when the victim is female? Come on, come up with a logical and reasonable answer. I'm confident to bet my bottom dollar that you can't because there isn't any logical and reasonable answer. The fact of the matter is that you favour females, end of story.o So instead of coming up with the same old lefty tactics like "you didn't read the article", attack my question that I just asked in this post instead of avoiding it. Whatever females have been through, so have males. In fact, males have in much bigger numbers! Therefore, you have to be a utter fucking moron to suggest that female victims should get more empathy and attention. Your favouritism for females clouds your judgement in thinking rationally. sure some men across Canada go missing but I was talking specifically about the Highway of Tears, not all of Canada.. there were only women (no missing men) that were missing along the Highway of Tears, cuz it was imo 2 or more serial killers praying on young women traveling down that particular highway.. the teens/women were hitchhiking (or catching a ride with someone they knew) as there was no bus they could catch which traveled down that highway & the killers knew that.. the women were easy prey.. Btw, they did find one of the serial killers that the cops determined killed at 3 of the missing/murdered women.. he was a violent American convicted criminal who raped, kidnapped & murdered people.. If they hadnt found his dna on one of the women, they wouldnt have even solved those 3 murders.. He died in a US prison.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/20/2017 6:52:34 PM)
easily taken

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 7:45:06 AM)
I don't know how the incidents in Highway of Tears somehow makes all male murder victims less worthy of consideration.

Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 8:05:14 AM)
it doesnt you dumb fuck, thats you pretending it does.

LadyPact -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 11:27:06 AM)
OP, you don't often read the supporting links when you re-post someone's blog, do ya? The link you should have read was this one: http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/aboriginal-people-make-up-5-per-cent-of-canadas-population-but-nearly-a-quarter-of-its-murder-victims/wcm/70f00e5e-09c6-4b71-a4fd-cfc105460220 It included this neat, little tidbit. quote: Acquaintances posed the biggest threat, followed by relatives. Current or ex-spouses were blamed in 83 cases or 16 per cent of all homicides, with women four times more likely than men to die at the hands of partners. So, it's not about the number of indigenous men being killed in comparison to the number of women. It's about the why. If you go further to this link, http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/most-murdered-and-missing-aboriginal-women-victims-of-indigenous-perpetrators-rcmp/wcm/bbdccc5a-be40-4bc4-be9a-9c3a81e18e5a and take a real close look at page two of the report, you'll find this: quote: Aboriginal females were killed by a spouse, family member, or intimate relation in 62% of the cases; similarly, non-aboriginal females were killed by a spouse, family member, or intimate relation in 74% of the occurrences. Female homicide across all ethnicities is inextricably linked to familial and spousal violence; it is for this reason that RCMP analysis and prevention efforts have focused on the relationship between the victim and offender. Before there's more foot stomping of "men go missing, too; men get murdered, too," stuff; it's important to compare the statistics about 'who' is murdering men. The statistics about who the offenders are make for a much different view about homicide in Canada when men are the victims. Guess who the highest category of the population is when it comes to male homicide victims? Other men. quote: Males make up the majority of both homicide victims and accused. In 2014, 72% of homicide victims and 87% of homicide accused were male, findings that have remained consistent over the past 10 years. Generally, rates of falling victim to homicide or being accused of homicide continue to be highest for 18- to 24-year-olds, a finding that has been consistent over the last decade. In 2014, there were 2.45 victims for every 100,000 persons in this age group. This compares to 2.36 victims per 100,000 persons aged 25 to 34 years, the age group with the second-highest rate. Another cool thing from the same link: quote: Previous research has shown that approximately 80% of victims of intimate partner violence, meaning violence by current and former legally married or common-law spouses, current and former dating partners, and other intimate relationships, have been female (Beaupré 2015). With respect to homicide in 2014, females were victims of intimate partner homicide at a rate four times greater than their male counterparts (0.44 per 100,000 females aged 15 and over versus 0.11 for males aged 15 and over) (Table 6). In total, there were 83 intimate partner homicides in Canada in 2014, 11 more than in 2013. Maybe, instead of the guff about why male victim homicides aren't the focus of the study, some of us ought to be asking ourselves why the perpetrators of the violence are so much more likely to be male. I guess that doesn't fit into the agenda, huh?

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 2:22:30 PM)
quote: Acquaintances posed the biggest threat, followed by relatives. Current or ex-spouses were blamed in 83 cases or 16 per cent of all homicides, with women four times more likely than men to die at the hands of partners. And men are far more likely to be homicide victims of all homicide. So what's your point exactly? Are you trying to say that what you quoted justifies more media attention and special assistance for females over males? If so, I think that is a feeble excuse. quote: So, it's not about the number of indigenous men being killed in comparison to the number of women. It's about the why. If you go further to this link, If you read the blog, his point isn't about "why" indigenous female victims get killed, it's about why indigenous females receive far greater attention and support over indigenous males. You seem to be trying to flip this around to why indigenous females get killed, and not the actual topic, which is why do indigenous females receive far greater attention and support over indigenous males. The fact of the matter is that both male and female victims suffer. They both get killed. So why than should female cases get considered special because it may be more likely through domestic violence? Why can't the same be said about men? We should make male cases more special because they make up the vast majority of victims when it comes to ALL homicide. See how easy it is to use the same argument against you? It's no less valid than the other way around. It's a perfect equivalent. Where I stand, no gender should get special attention and support over the other. But that's not what you, the other posters in this thread, and feminists/leftists generally want. You and others want special assistance for females over males and then still claim you're about equality. quote: Before there's more foot stomping of "men go missing, too; men get murdered, too," stuff; it's important to compare the statistics about 'who' is murdering men. The statistics about who the offenders are make for a much different view about homicide in Canada when men are the victims. Guess who the highest category of the population is when it comes to male homicide victims? Other men. Tell me something that I don't know. I've had this feeble argument thrown at me at least a 100 times over the years. How the flying fuck exactly does the perpetrator being a male instead of a female make it any more special when the victim is female? If the perpetrator was female, that makes the female victim less considerable? If male victims are killed by male perpetrators instead of female perpetrators, how does that make their experience any less? How exactly in logical reasoning does this make their situation less considerable? We are talking about human beings getting killed here for fucks sake. In trying to trivialise their death depending which gender the perpetrator was is just utterly disgusting and disrespectful against the said victims and their horrific experience. It also seems that the person who uses this pathetic tactic, is scraping right at the bottom of the barrel in trying to excuse the inexcusable. quote: Maybe, instead of the guff about why male victim homicides aren't the focus of the study, some of us ought to be asking ourselves why the perpetrators of the violence are so much more likely to be male. I guess that doesn't fit into the agenda, huh? But again, how are the perpetrators being male make it any different compared to if the perpetrators are female? What if I was making the same argument, the same stance as you, when it comes to race? I made out that the fact the perpetrators were black and not white somehow makes white victims more important over black victims. Makes sense? Nope. That makes just as much sense as your stance on gender.

Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 8:58:06 PM)
There is a lot of disagreement about the number of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls in Canada. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) acknowledged in a 2014 report that there have been nearly 1,200 missing and murdered Indigenous women between 1980 and 2012. Indigenous women’s groups, however, document the number of missing and murdered to be over 4,000. The confusion about the numbers has to do with the under-reporting of violence against Indigenous women and girls and the lack of an effective database, as well as the failure to identify such cases by ethnicity. (See also Indigenous Women’s Issues). The Native Women’s Association of Canada (NWAC) has drawn attention to figures from Statistics Canada documenting high rates of violence against Indigenous women. For example, Indigenous women 15 years and older were 3.5 times more likely to experience violence than non-Indigenous women, according to the 2004 General Social Survey. Violence against Indigenous women and girls is not only more frequent but also more severe. Between 1997 and 2000, the homicide rate for Indigenous women was nearly seven times higher than the rate for non-Indigenous women. The demographics give a sense of the extent of the violence that Indigenous women and girls face across this country, but they fail to tell the stories of the deep trauma that this violence has on entire communities or the stories of children who have lost their mothers to senseless violence. The statistics cannot reflect the experiences of the families and communities who have lost a loved one. The missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls were mothers, daughters, sisters, aunties, cousins and grandmothers. Many were students completing post-secondary education, such as Loretta Saunders, an Inuk woman murdered at age 26 in 2014, who was completing her honours thesis on this very issue at the time she went missing. Some were only children, such as 14-year-old Azraya Acakabee Kokopenace and 15-year-old Tina Fontaine — who were both in the child welfare system at the time — or 16-year-old Delaine Copenace. This ongoing tragedy affects all Indigenous women and girls from all walks of life and throughout many communities and cities across Canada. Although some perpetrators are known to the victim, many are strangers. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-and-girls-in-canada/

Lucylastic -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/21/2017 9:01:07 PM)
Not Canadian info, but from the CDC Most murders of American women involve domestic violence, according to a report released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday. The CDC analyzed data from 18 states, finding 10,018 female homicides between 2003 and 2014. Over half ― 55 percent ― of cases where circumstances were known involved domestic violence. In 93 percent of those cases, victims were killed by current or former intimate partners: boyfriends, husbands, and lovers. The other 7 percent of victims were female friends, family members, first responders and bystanders who were killed during a domestic incident. While the facts seem shocking at face value, they’re not surprising or new. It is already well-established that women in the U.S. are far more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than by any other group of people. As HuffPost previously reported: It’s not strangers, friends or acquaintances who pose the biggest threat to women’s lives. It’s the men they date and marry. Around three women a day are murdered by an intimate partner, and in many cases, children and others are also killed. The majority of mass shootings ― defined as four or more people fatally shot, not including the perpetrator ― involve domestic violence. The CDC found that firearms were used in 54 percent of all female homicides. Limiting access to guns for those subject to a domestic violence protective order could serve as a preventative measure to help reduce deaths, it said. There’s compelling evidence to back up that suggestion: One study found that states that restrict access to firearms for people under domestic violence protective orders had a 25 percent reduction in intimate partner gun homicides. Given the risks that guns pose in domestic violence situations, many states have recently passed laws making it harder for abusers to buy or own guns. The National Rifle Association, however, has been pushing a different strategy ― arming victims ― which many experts warn will end in more bloodshed. The report noted that young women of color were disproportionately affected. One third of female homicide victims were under 30, and a larger proportion of black and Hispanic victims were in this group. Black women had the highest rate of dying by homicide in general. The CDC recommended the use of “lethality risk assessments”, which are tools used by first responders, advocates and law enforcement to identify victims at the highest risk for future violence. Many experts believe there are important warning signs ― for instance, if the victim has been strangled, experienced death threats, and if her abuser has access to a gun ― that can occur before a situation turns lethal. According to the report, one in 10 victims of homicides involving domestic abuse had experienced some form of violence in the month before their death, suggesting an opportunity for intervention. “These assessments might be used to facilitate immediate safety planning and to connect women with other services, such as crisis intervention and counseling, housing, medical and legal advocacy, and access to other community resources,” the CDC report read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/most-murders-of-american-women-involve-domestic-violence_us_5971fcf6e4b09e5f6cceba87?1e8&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6628a1.htm?s_cid=mm6628a1_w#T2_down http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.com/this-is-not-a-love-story/#conclusion/

LadyPact -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/22/2017 12:17:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen And men are far more likely to be homicide victims of all homicide. So what's your point exactly? Are you trying to say that what you quoted justifies more media attention and special assistance for females over males? If so, I think that is a feeble excuse. In my opinion, I'm leaning towards there being more media attention at this particular time because it's becoming a political issue. The reports from 2015 showed an increase for the aboriginal population, while the non-aboriginal rates were dropping. I don't consider it special attention. I see it more as the forefront in the differences in what types of homicides are happening and who is being targeted by what and why. quote: If you read the blog, his point isn't about "why" indigenous female victims get killed, it's about why indigenous females receive far greater attention and support over indigenous males. You seem to be trying to flip this around to why indigenous females get killed, and not the actual topic, which is why do indigenous females receive far greater attention and support over indigenous males. Be fair. If I hadn't read the blog, I wouldn't have followed up to the additional links. I've told you on numerous occasions that I will read written material. What I won't do is click on youtube links that you post because of your bad habit of posting videos where people are screaming their opinion at the top of their lungs. While I don't consider opinion blogs a great source, rather than facts and figures, I'll at least give it a shot. quote: The fact of the matter is that both male and female victims suffer. They both get killed. So why than should female cases get considered special because it may be more likely through domestic violence? Why can't the same be said about men? We should make male cases more special because they make up the vast majority of victims when it comes to ALL homicide. A part of this is because you are still skipping the 'why'. The male on male homicides are much different in nature. One thing that surprised me was the third highest reason was due to gang violence. (Relevant to why the category of perpetrators were men in the 18-24 category, and the second was just the next highest age group.) It's a distinctly different type of violence, and because it is, that type of violence is addressed differently. Now, I don't live in Canada. However, here in the United States, summits on gang violence happen in every major city. (Huge problem in this country.) When those summits happen; they get media attention. Especially when new reports come out, somebody is trying to get re-elected to public office, etc, etc. Still, two distinctly different types of violence. Different approaches that each type of summit focuses on. quote: See how easy it is to use the same argument against you? It's no less valid than the other way around. It's a perfect equivalent. I don't see it as the same. If you look at the data, a lot of the male on male homicides derive from what could be called more 'instant' circumstances. Turns out, one of the other top three male on male homicide statistical data was related to terrorism. Again, this is something much different than IP or familial violence. (One of the major contributors to the rise in male victim homicides.) These aren't instances of chasing a specific victim. Rather, it's ANY victim. quote: Where I stand, no gender should get special attention and support over the other. But that's not what you, the other posters in this thread, and feminists/leftists generally want. You and others want special assistance for females over males and then still claim you're about equality. Actually, I want the circumstances to be considered. Much like we do with the legal system here. Granted, dead is just as dead. What were the contributing factors that caused the death? Was it a long, drawn out process? Was it a 'heat of the moment' situation? Premeditated, where the victim knew they were being targeted? quote: Tell me something that I don't know. I've had this feeble argument thrown at me at least a 100 times over the years. Well, you're kind of going to have to deal with it. Men are roughly 50% of the population, yet, they are committing a disproportionate percentage of the violent crime. What is your response to this fact that you already know? quote: How the flying fuck exactly does the perpetrator being a male instead of a female make it any more special when the victim is female? If the perpetrator was female, that makes the female victim less considerable? Unfortunately for you, the numbers don't slide in your favor about women killing women. The problem is, men are killing women and men are killing men. The focus needs to be on the perpetrators as the root cause of the violence. quote: If male victims are killed by male perpetrators instead of female perpetrators, how does that make their experience any less? How exactly in logical reasoning does this make their situation less considerable? The only one using the term "less considerable," is you. However, most IPV that results in death aren't the same types of violence that men are suffering. You are attempting to compare, say, somebody hit by a bus to a person dealing with stage four lymphoma. Both are still dead. What led to the death is different. quote: We are talking about human beings getting killed here for fucks sake. In trying to trivialise their death depending which gender the perpetrator was is just utterly disgusting and disrespectful against the said victims and their horrific experience. It also seems that the person who uses this pathetic tactic, is scraping right at the bottom of the barrel in trying to excuse the inexcusable. This isn't some kind of contest, like we're counting off pieces on a chess board. Just seems to me, the long, drawn out stuff, is more horrific. quote: But again, how are the perpetrators being male make it any different compared to if the perpetrators are female? What if I was making the same argument, the same stance as you, when it comes to race? I made out that the fact the perpetrators were black and not white somehow makes white victims more important over black victims. This argument doesn't work with me. In this country, there was a long standing history of terrorism of white over black. For a long time there, the power imbalance due to skin color was evident. The ripple effect of it carries over into today. The residual presence is still felt. For the most part, black men didn't kill white men and get away with it fifty years ago. That residual effect is still present, here. As little as six years ago, it was still legal for a man to beat his wife in South Carolina, as long as he did it on the courthouse steps on Sunday. Do you have laws in Australia like that? quote: Makes sense? Nope. That makes just as much sense as your stance on gender. You're failing. Not even a word about why women are reported missing more than men. Why do you think that might be?

itsSIRtou -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/22/2017 3:41:50 AM)
actually another rm failure to have people believe ur whining is anything more than that. why don't u follow the careers of men like: John wayne gacy ted bundy maybe they'd more fit ur narrative of men being targeted... (sarcasm)

tj444 -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/22/2017 9:42:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou actually another rm failure to have people believe ur whining is anything more than that. why don't u follow the careers of men like: John wayne gacy ted bundy maybe they'd more fit ur narrative of men being targeted... (sarcasm) ted bundy didnt target men, you have your serial killers mixed up.. sadly, there are so many of them its hard to keep them all straight...

tweakabelle -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/23/2017 3:29:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: Acquaintances posed the biggest threat, followed by relatives. Current or ex-spouses were blamed in 83 cases or 16 per cent of all homicides, with women four times more likely than men to die at the hands of partners. And men are far more likely to be homicide victims of all homicide. So what's your point exactly? The point is glaringly obvious if you could open your eyes for a minute. Men are responsible for the overwhelming majority of murders, regardless of the victim's status. This fact screams out of any analysis of murder stats that I have ever seen. So the starting point for any attempt to reduce the numbers of murders anywhere is to understand why males commit so many murders and other acts of extreme violence. Why are so many males prone to commit acts of extreme violence? Do you have any ideas? Suggestions? Explanations? If you were really concerned with mens' welfare, this ought to be prime area of interest to you. And coming up with some sensible answers would put you in a position where you might be able to do something concrete that would benefit countless numbers of your fellow males, you know, the people whose interests you constantly claim to advance ... If you were really concerned with mens' welfare, this is an area crying out for someone to do something to prevent all those lives lost - both victims who lose their lives and perpetrators, whose lives are also lost by being imprisoned for the rest of their days. So hows about it rm? Do you want to do something positive to improve the lives of many men? Or do you want to spend the rest of your life pointlessly whinging about feminists and women? It's your choice ...

respectmen -> RE: Canadian gov focuses on indigenous women's homicide (7/23/2017 5:27:17 PM)
Its a lost cause trying to talk sense into you people. This is about why male victims get less considered over female victims. This isn't about who the perpetrator is or why the victim became a victim. It seems that you lot are trying to dodge and skirt around the issue of why males get less consideration compared to females. It doesn't matter why they are victims or who the perpetrator is. This is totally and completely irrelevant. Male victims suffer too, they feel pain too, they have feelings too. Male victims suffered no less than female victims in their horrible death. So why than should male suffering be considered less? Which gender the perpetrator is can't be an excuse. Why the perpetrator attacks is also not an excuse. You people really have no reasonable argument.

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