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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 8:37:48 AM   
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Translation: "I will defend my God the Draft dodging, lying lifelong Democrat no matter how many times I have to change the subject".


When you find yourself forced to submit to these lowly straw man fallacies of yours, just hang it up - because you are almost too stupid to breathe

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 8:38:52 AM   
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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 8:42:01 AM   
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The military's job is to kill people and break stuff.


There was me under the impression that the military's role was the defence of the State and ensuring peace prevails. Was I woefully misinformed or what?

Of course if the job description is "to kill people and break stuff" I can see why it appeals to so many people with psychopathic tendencies such as your good self. But I wonder if any one else would be attracted by such a blood'n'guts job description ....

Oh and they get to wear spiffing uniforms too (mustn't forget that!).


Yes, you have been misinformed. The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external (there are other tools). An army is specifically intended for land-based warfare. There is a reason that our military is directed by civilians.

Of course, you still have not answered the question of how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness.


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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 8:49:30 AM   
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So its Obama on a bikes fault now is it? And remind us all again didnt Comrade Draft Dodger threaten to shoot up 5th avenue and Hillary and her "Attorney General and SCROTUM" choice?

Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters

Did Donald Trump Just Imply Gun Owners Should Assassinate Hillary Clinton?

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But perhaps you are to busy slopping out your jobbies in your mums basement to weigh us down with some thing of more heft than a bosconian floater?

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 9:49:28 AM   
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I'd be grateful if you could explain your thinking

It's Bosco, why are you assuming that thinking plays any part in what he posts?

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 9:53:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

The military's job is to kill people and break stuff.


There was me under the impression that the military's role was the defence of the State and ensuring peace prevails. Was I woefully misinformed or what?

Of course if the job description is "to kill people and break stuff" I can see why it appeals to so many people with psychopathic tendencies such as your good self. But I wonder if any one else would be attracted by such a blood'n'guts job description ....

Oh and they get to wear spiffing uniforms too (mustn't forget that!).


Yes, you have been misinformed. The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external (there are other tools). An army is specifically intended for land-based warfare. There is a reason that our military is directed by civilians.

Of course, you still have not answered the question of how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness.


no evidence how they decrease it laying around either. can you provide answers to how women increase military readiness? men? tanks we dont need? war in Iraq?



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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 9:53:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Translation: "I will defend my God the Draft dodging, lying lifelong Democrat no matter how many times I have to change the subject".


When you find yourself forced to submit to these lowly straw man fallacies of yours, just hang it up - because you are almost too stupid to breathe

In other words, I hit a nerve.


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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 9:59:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

The military's job is to kill people and break stuff.


There was me under the impression that the military's role was the defence of the State and ensuring peace prevails. Was I woefully misinformed or what?

Of course if the job description is "to kill people and break stuff" I can see why it appeals to so many people with psychopathic tendencies such as your good self. But I wonder if any one else would be attracted by such a blood'n'guts job description ....

Oh and they get to wear spiffing uniforms too (mustn't forget that!).


Yes, you have been misinformed. The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external (there are other tools). An army is specifically intended for land-based warfare. There is a reason that our military is directed by civilians.

Of course, you still have not answered the question of how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness.


It seems that you have shifted from claiming that the military's role is "to kill people and break stuff." to agreeing that its role is the defence of the State - "The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external ". I'm glad that you have come round to seeing this is the case.

I don't see that the onus is on me to detail "how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness". It seems to me that those proposing the ban need to justify their case, not vice versa. And thus far I haven't seen a shred of persuasive evidence that justifies the ban.

Other militaries, and the US military for a time have or have had TG folk serving, and as far as I know, none has reported any reduction in their battle readiness or efficiency as a consequence of TGs serving. So the ball is very much in the court of those proposing the ban to justify their discrimination.

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 2:08:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

The military's job is to kill people and break stuff.


There was me under the impression that the military's role was the defence of the State and ensuring peace prevails. Was I woefully misinformed or what?

Of course if the job description is "to kill people and break stuff" I can see why it appeals to so many people with psychopathic tendencies such as your good self. But I wonder if any one else would be attracted by such a blood'n'guts job description ....

Oh and they get to wear spiffing uniforms too (mustn't forget that!).


Yes, you have been misinformed. The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external (there are other tools). An army is specifically intended for land-based warfare. There is a reason that our military is directed by civilians.

Of course, you still have not answered the question of how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness.


It seems that you have shifted from claiming that the military's role is "to kill people and break stuff." to agreeing that its role is the defence of the State - "The military is one tool is to defend the country from real or potential threats, both internal and external ". I'm glad that you have come round to seeing this is the case.

I don't see that the onus is on me to detail "how having transgenders in the military is going to increase military readiness". It seems to me that those proposing the ban need to justify their case, not vice versa. And thus far I haven't seen a shred of persuasive evidence that justifies the ban.

Other militaries, and the US military for a time have or have had TG folk serving, and as far as I know, none has reported any reduction in their battle readiness or efficiency as a consequence of TGs serving. So the ball is very much in the court of those proposing the ban to justify their discrimination.


You must have missed the land warfare part. Also - HOW do you think that the military defends the country? By killing people and breaking stuff. Economic sanctions and other tools for defense are NOT the job of the military.

TG's need hormone pills every day. How many pints of blood in the logistics train do you want to exchange for these prescriptions when these individuals are deployed?

Actually, no, you need to tell me why an exception to the pre-existing conditions policy needs to be made for transgender individuals.

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 3:21:57 PM   
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This is the kind of thing that will shoot the president's poll numbers through the roof

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 3:57:36 PM   
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You typically avoid the forums when I am about but you will find me a fair man - or fair loon

wanders off

Oh hi tweak *smiles

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 4:10:30 PM   
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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 5:17:02 PM   
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6 Myths About Transgender People In The Military

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19062/7-myths-about-transgender-people-military-aaron-bandler?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 5:22:00 PM   
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lost me with that and your point?

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 5:52:18 PM   
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When you get tired of social justice.


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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/27/2017 7:56:50 PM   
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Have you addressed any of my points yet or must I call your mummy faggot of fuking wretch or you a felchgobbler and hysterical complainer?

I have oft wondered

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/28/2017 6:02:15 AM   
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I'd be grateful if you could explain your thinking

It's Bosco, why are you assuming that thinking plays any part in what he posts?

Bingo.

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/28/2017 9:00:08 AM   
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TG's need hormone pills every day. How many pints of blood in the logistics train do you want to exchange for these prescriptions when these individuals are deployed?

Actually, no, you need to tell me why an exception to the pre-existing conditions policy needs to be made for transgender individuals.

TGs don't need daily hormone pills. Most of the TG women I know have monthly shots of estrogen. However if hormones were required to be taken on a daily basis I don't see how this would be any more complicated than servicewomen taking the Pill daily.

This objection is so trivial it hardly deserves being taken seriously. However it is a useful indicator of the poverty of the arguments and myths being circulated to camouflage the underlying bigotry of many opponents of TG inclusion. We are witnessing the same tired arguments against womens and gay inclusion in the military being re-hashed and advanced against TG inclusion from often the very same quarters that opposed womens' and gay inclusion. These arguments were proved false in the cases of women and gays and they are just as false in this case.

The military is an instrument of the people via the State. As such it should reflect the people it is set up to defend. So the make up of the military should mirror broader society in all its diversity. Other countries have been able to integrate TGs into the military seamlessly. There's no reason to believe the US military should be an exception in this case, despite the howls of outrage from some bigots.

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/28/2017 9:27:21 AM   
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When you get tired of social justice.



RM will *never* get tired of his quest for social justice. Social justice for men (white men; Christians, westerners; etc) as he sees it, that is. He is the forum's foremost social justice warrior.

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RE: Trump's transgender military ban 'not worked out yet' - 7/28/2017 9:31:52 AM   
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I'd be grateful if you could explain your thinking

It's Bosco, why are you assuming that thinking plays any part in what he posts?

Bingo.


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