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Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to find... - 7/28/2017 6:52:42 PM   
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President Donald Trump says Upstate New York residents should leave the Empire State to find jobs elsewhere.

The Chicago Tribune reports electronics manufacturer Foxconn is expected to announce Wednesday that a new factory will be built in Wisconsin. Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos says as many as 10,000 new jobs will be created by the plant, which will make flat-screen displays in House Speaker Paul Ryan's congressional district.

Trump teased the announcement as a win for his campaign promise to bring back manufacturing jobs in the U.S. during an interview with The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday. He specifically called out "upper New York state," encouraging residents to leave their homes behind for places like Wisconsin, a key state in Trump's election victory.

"You're going to need people to work in these massive plants," Trump told the newspaper. "I'm going to start explaining to people: When you have an area that just isn't working like upper New York state, where people are getting very badly hurt, and then you'll have another area 500 miles away where you can't get people, I'm going to explain, you can leave. It's OK. Don't worry about your house."

Oneida County Executive Anthony Picente Jr. responded on Twitter Wednesday, saying he was "Disappointed in @realDonaldTrump a president from New York bashing Upstate New York. Sad. I had hoped for better."

In the same WSJ interview, Trump claimed Apple CEO Tim Cook promised to build three "big, big, big" new factories in the U.S. The tech giant has not commented, but Apple closed its last American factory in 2004 and doesn't build manufacturing plants anymore; the company uses several U.S. companies to manufacture hardware parts, while iPhones are assembled in China.

It's unclear whether Trump meant factories built by Apple suppliers, like Foxconn.

According to the Times-Union, New York state may have been trying to win the project for a state-owned site in Utica. A spokesman for Gov. Andrew Cuomo's economic development czar, Howard Zemsky, did not respond to the newspaper's request for comment.

It's unclear whether other Apple suppliers may be considering Utica or other sites for factories in the Empire State.

Cook previously said in May that Apple would invest $1 billion into a fund to promote advanced manufacturing in the United States. Corning Inc., which makes Gorilla Glass for iPhone and iPad screens, was the first company to receive funding with $200 million.

Corning, based in Western New York, said last week it would "immediately" invest $500 million and create 1,000 new jobs in the U.S. related to medical devices -- not smartphones or tablets.

Trump campaigned on keeping jobs from heading to Mexico and other countries, including promising to save as many as 1,400 jobs at Carrier Corp. through tax incentives. Carrier, formerly headquartered in Syracuse, announced 632 layoffs in May at plants in Indianapolis and Huntington, Indiana.

The president previously called Upstate New York a "ghost town" during a 2016 campaign rally while talking about his opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, blaming the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), signed by President Bill Clinton, for costing American jobs at places like Carrier. During a presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, he also called the region a "disaster" and blamed the former U.S. Senator and Secretary of State for "failing" to "bring back jobs to upstate New York."

Trump, who repeatedly boasted about his popularity in Upstate New York, easily won the region by more than 100,000 votes in November's election -- winning all but a handful of counties. However, a Siena College poll in May found his approval rating had dropped and was viewed favorably by only 33 percent of Upstate voters, with 63 percent holding an unfavorable view of the president.

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/2017/07/trump_leave_upstate_ny_jobs.html#incart_river_index

FYI, I run a 6-figure business in rural upstate NY doing business in the US, Canada, St. Martens, the UK, France, Germany, UAE, Turkey, Australia, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Japan.

We're not exactly dying here.

Buffalo has beautifully redone the waterfront and is growing. Syracuse has regrown entire neighborhoods. Albany and Ithaca are rapidly expanding.

For decades, Upstate New York lost population, true. Many young people left, which isn’t unusual, but few moved in. And that hurt. This multi-decade net loss of young population robbed us of skills, entrepreneurs, consumers and people who, you know, reproduce. Without population growth, it's harder to achieve economic growth.

But Upstate’s young population is now rising. And by every measure – jobs, wages, housing, GDP, investment, unemployment, population, and so on – Upstate New York is doing remarkably well relative to how it was doing.

The Upstate economy is adding jobs, including 80 consecutive months with private sector growth – the longest on record since 1990; and from 2011 to present, that job growth clocked in at nearly 6 percent, compared with a 3 percent decrease from 2001 – 2011. Plus, nearly 40 percent of Upstate’s private sector jobs in 2016 were well-paying. Today, instead of disparate development strategies we have robust regional plans driving and achieving sustainable economic growth.

Fuck off Trump.

All he can do is take credit for things he didn't do, and walk away from things that he can't take credit for.



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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 1:19:29 AM   
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To him, everything is a contest or a challenge or both. Worse, when things go sour, he shifts blame. What does this have to do with the OP ?

It all comes together that he is an insecure, juvenile blow-hard who can't resist staking claims that he knows he had nothing whatever to do with. Plus, there is noting new in state and local jurisdictions bribing companies to stay or move in.

I read somewhere that under Jindal the state of Louisiana for one year at least, gave more money to the producers of 'House of Cards' then [it] did to colleges.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 1:32:18 AM   
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He is an aloof billionaire. He does not have neighbors. I had to move years ago and I hated it. I knew my neighbors, partied with them and all that. Had fires in the backyard.

He is from a different mentality. He only inherited millions, but still if he went out and about and people found out they would be after his money. That is how people are. And that is part of what made him how he is. Without his money he would not have those showcase Wives. What does that make them ? Everyone he knows is probably in it for the money, have any idea what that does to someone's personality ? I used to have some money, and I noticed it. Like that song "I got dozens of friends and the fun never ends, that is as long as I'm buying". So they turn into assholes.

Really rich people not only do not have a neighborhood, they don't have a country. That includes a bunch of you last Presidents and senators. That includes the owners of some of the biggest businesses. Haliburton moved to Dubai. There are alot of Fords built and sold in other countries, and the US does not see a dime of that tax money. However as an individual you have to pay no matter where you make the money.

People are actually renouncing their US citizenship over it, and if you give the reason as taxes you will be personna non grata. Think up some other reason or you will not be able to come back for funerals and weddings n shit like that. But they'll let terrorists in.

Bottom line is that the government cannot create jobs, except for government jobs that cost us taxes. All they can do is make the country more attractive for business. Trump wants to do that, you can't fault him for that. He is fucking up plenty of shit for you to bitch about.

But human nature is that once you hate someone, anything they do is wrong.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 4:23:28 AM   
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there is no such bottom line, we are the only power in the world without an industrial policy, hell we are the only power in the world without a great deal of things we should have.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 4:36:33 AM   
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Ah! Our primary manufacturing was decimated in the Mag Maggie epoch do you remember her?

Anyway Trump isnt responsible. The Job - Financial markets trends were always headed that way - I cant even credit handsome Obama truth be told.

We dont have any ghost towns in the UK to the best of my knowledge. But America has lots doesnt it?

In some ways we had places like Motherwell and when they shut the Steel Mill(Uk probably has one left? and that was due to a last minute rescue package couple years ago)). So let say it employed 770 - and we all need steel - 10 000 other jobs were linked to those - i forget the technical name for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenscraig_steelworks

Steel wise - there is still too much steel production in the world - and that dues to China.

Coal no-one wants it - i am not sure if we even have any small open cast mines left in Scotland - England?

Skill shortage is the UK and USA biggest enemy coulped with ageing population - We need immigration you all know that right?


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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 4:41:11 AM   
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To be fair, Trump never promised to create jobs in everyone's neighborhood. Also a whole lot of upper NY state is tribal land and is not open for industrialization except by tribal leadership.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 5:55:48 AM   
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There are exactly 10 reservations in NYS, all of them small.

It's a large state, 55,000 sq. miles. MOST of that is upstate.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 6:26:08 AM   
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I guess Trump left NY to find work in Washington . . .

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 6:41:17 AM   
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Why the fuck would ANYONE want to build manufacturing complexes in NY? At some point the states have to step up and be attractive to businesses. Only the truly stupid would start a business in NY, Ca, or Il.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 7:12:01 AM   
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Why would ANY state be stupid enough to pay a manufacturer $230,000 per job with tax payer money? Why would the governor of that state claim that manufacturer might spend $7 billion in that state, when that manufacturer hasn't spent $5 billion globally in the past five years?

Who would be that stupid?

Besides Scott. And Ryan. And Trump. And apparently, you.

Meanwhile: NY does offer incentives. Corning is expanding in Buffalo, adding hundreds of jobs, for example. There's the old Griffis Air Force Base in Utica/Rome that is lots of facilities ready for more industry (ready made buildings). There's some high tech there already -- and a college rich environment filled with potential educated labor. There's a new tuition advantage for NYS residents. And strong infrastructure and good services. There's a lot of land and water. Excellent shipping, air, and highways, with still working trains. Cheap hydropower. Ready timber. Easy access to major markets.

New York State is America’s third largest state economy—with a GDP in 2015 of $1.45 trillion—produced nearly the same amount of economic output last year as Canada ($1.55 trillion) and would have ranked as the world’s 11th largest economy last year as a separate country, ahead of both South Korea ($1.38 trillion) and Russia ($1.32 trillion).

Amazingly, even though Canada produced just 7 percent more economic output last year than the state of New York, it took almost twice as many Canadian workers (about 18 million) as the number of workers employed in New York (9.2 million) to do that, due to the world-class productivity of the NYS workforce -- yet another reason to locate business in NYS.

Btw, the unemployment rate in NYS is 4.3%, just under the 4.4% national rate.

The highest regionally is Binghamton and Watertown, both at 5.4% -- hardly raging unemployment.



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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 7:30:31 AM   
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quote:

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Why the fuck would ANYONE want to build manufacturing complexes in NY? At some point the states have to step up and be attractive to businesses. Only the truly stupid would start a business in NY, Ca, or Il.


Even though insane leftists attack our president for pointing out the obvious

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 7:57:00 AM   
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Trump doesn't know his own state. He doesn't know the country any better.

But Scott and Ryan know how to rape Wisconsin taxpayers and game federal income tax shelters.

Unemployment in Russia is 5.1%, higher than NYS' 4.3%. Does Trump think people should leave Russia?
(New York's economy is larger than Russia's.)

Unemployment in Canada is 6.5%. New York's GDP is nearly the same as Canada's, just 7% smaller. Does Trump think Canadians should leave Canada to find work?


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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 9:00:14 AM   
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Additionally, the population decrease has been reversing -- NYS population is increasing steadily.


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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 9:36:34 AM   
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quote:

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Why would ANY state be stupid enough to pay a manufacturer $230,000 per job with tax payer money?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmfBtk0WaE

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 11:17:04 AM   
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Why the fuck would ANYONE want to build manufacturing complexes in NY? At some point the states have to step up and be attractive to businesses. Only the truly stupid would start a business in NY, Ca, or Il.

Quite. That's why there's no publishing or media companies based in New York, no IT or media companies based in California and no...
(Okay: Illinois I'll grant you.)

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 11:36:50 AM   
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I heard there has been an exponential increase in the rate of pay for boot hole air-drillers.

I am thinking about getting me some shares in Blackpool pink rock - this is too complicated for almost on on here isnt it? - before there is a run on the sweety shops

Now swizzles sticks i truly love - who remembers them and I need one tub of proof.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 11:40:31 AM   
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Despite the movement of manufacturing overseas, New York remains strong in certain categories of manufacturing, especially apparel. Computer and electronic products has been one of the stronger parts of the manufacturing industry in the state, with wages for these jobs averaging significantly higher than the state average. Software engineering is a particularly bright spot.

NYS is also strong in:

1. Financial Services

No surprise there. New York City's huge financial center makes financial services the largest industry in New York State when ranked by total payroll. High paying jobs in banking, stock trading and analysis dominate this sector.

In New York City, financial services represents 15 percent of the economy, second only to real estate, according to a report by the city government on sustaining New York's financial services leadership.

2. Health Care

The largest industry by employee count is the "Health Care and Social Assistance" industry, which includes the state's large hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and services for the elderly. According to the New York Department of Labor, demographic changes in the state drove significant job growth.

3. Professional, Scientific and Technical Services

Where there are bankers and traders (and Wall Street of course), lawyers and accountants are sure to follow. These business-to-business companies, which also include tax and payroll services, architecture and advertising firms, have grown faster than the overall average in the state as the economy rebounded and other companies were able to use their services again.

4. Retail Trade and Food Service

The business-to-consumer retail industry in New York is dominated by food and beverage. Restaurants employ almost 580,000 people in the state, from the mundane fast food to the highest-end gourmet eateries. Retail overall adds $230 billion to the state economy, according to the Retail Council of New York State. New York's retailers employ more than 873,000 workers in more than 73,000 establishments, the council reports.

5. NYS also has huge dairy and tourism industries, and large educational services industries.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 12:03:51 PM   
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The savage darkie at my local shop used to specially order in 100 of those tasty blighters for me in a tub for 100 for 15 quid

true story :)

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 2:24:09 PM   
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there is no such bottom line, we are the only power in the world without an industrial policy, hell we are the only power in the world without a great deal of things we should have.


Part o the reason for that is that politicians are allowed to take bribes.

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RE: Trump NOT a job creator: "Leave NY state to ... - 7/29/2017 2:31:06 PM   
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Dont look at me my mind is numb-er than hell tonight

Anyway who knows what swizzle sticks are?




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