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Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/17/2017 5:46:28 AM)

Trump's defense of a neo-Nazi rally crossed a line for many Republicans. What will they do about it?

It took President Trump’s defense of a neo-Nazi rally for many Republicans in Congress to publicly distance themselves from the White House, after months of brushing off his impolitic behavior and tweets.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said white supremacist bigotry is “counter to all this country stands for.” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said, “There are no good neo-Nazis,” an apparent reference to Trump’s claim that there were some “very fine people” among the torch-carrying white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last week.

Rank-and-file Republicans churned out statements backing away from Trump, and outspoken voices in the party began wondering aloud Wednesday whether Republicans still carry the mantle of the party of Abraham Lincoln.

“We can’t claim to be the party of Lincoln if we equivocate in condemning white supremacy,” tweeted Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).

After Trump’s remarks drew a thank-you tweet from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) sounded off.

“Many Republicans do not agree with and will fight back against the idea that the party of Lincoln has a welcome mat out for the David Dukes of the world,” Graham said.

But the GOP-led Congress isn’t expected to respond with much more than impassioned statements and social media posts.

Though Democrats and others quickly urged Republicans to follow up their words with actions — ranging from a resolution stating that Congress does not embrace white nationalism to a more wholehearted censure of the president — such moves seem unlikely.

Few Republican lawmakers stand willing to criticize Trump by name for his insistence that the white nationalists rallying in Charlottesville and the counter-protesters opposed to racism were equally to blame for the violence that erupted.

Most tried to stick to their schedules during the August break, visiting constituents and job centers back home.

But after struggling for months to figure out how best to handle Trump, many are finding it harder to just ignore him.

“A line’s been crossed, and no one wants to be seen as supporting white nationalists’ vision of America,” said Pearson Cross, an associate political science professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

“On the other hand, they’re caught in a bit of a bind because it’s their president that’s putting them in this position,” Cross added.

Trump remains popular in many states and congressional districts that elected Republicans to the majority in Congress, despite his sagging approval rating nationwide. Lawmakers remain reluctant to put themselves crosswise with the voters many will need in next year’s midterm election.

Moreover, Republicans in Congress have hitched Trump’s popularity — which stems in part from his disruptive and racially tinged tone — to their legislative agenda. It was a decision cast last year when GOP lawmakers rallied around Trump as their nominee for president.

“As long as Trump remains popular with their primary voters, I don’t see things changing,” said Doug Heye, a former spokesman for the Republican National Committee and GOP leadership in Congress. He did not support Trump’s presidential bid.

For a party that has labored to expand its base of white voters into the growing electorate of Latino and other minority groups, many saw an irreparable turning point.

“After that Trump press conference, I don't know how I can tell any minority why they should vote Republican,” Heye wrote on Twitter.

Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, the highest-ranking Jewish Republican before he was kicked out of office by a tea party challenger, acknowledged an irreconcilable split.

"I think that the party is President Trump's party now,” Cantor told the Washington Examiner.

Republicans have stood by Trump before — when he said some Mexican immigrants were rapists, bragged about grabbing women’s body parts and strove to end the FBI probe into Russian interference into last year’s presidential election.

Even McConnell, who has recently been the target of Trump’s Twitter scorn over the collapse of the GOP healthcare bill, failed to call out the president by name Wednesday. And he issued a statement only after a Trump-backed candidate won a runoff spot in Alabama’s primary election for senator Tuesday.

But the public backlash to Trump — from the former Bush presidents, celebrities, sports stars and everyday Americans — may eventually force Congress to do more.

Lawmakers could be confronted by protesters at town hall meetings urging Congress to reassert itself as a check on the executive branch.

As the majority in Congress, Republicans could be pressured to hold public hearings on the far-right groups, renounce their personal support for Trump or even call on the president to resign, activists said.

“There’s an imperative right now in the country to make clear Trump is not speaking for the country when he defended Nazis and supremacists,” said Jesse Ferguson, a former top aide to Democrat Hillary Clinton. “The only way to do that is to have the co-equal branch of government say it.”

Others, though, see Trump’s brush with supremacists as the not wholly unexpected coda to the Republican Party’s long courtship of white voters.

As Democrats during the civil rights era started becoming a party increasingly made up of minorities, Republicans courted white voters, often through messages with racist leanings.

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort used a Nixonian-like Southern strategy to appeal to white voters when he worked on Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign. Many of the same voters were drawn to Trump, citing his willingness to be politically incorrect.

Racial resentment, as tabulated by the nonpartisan American National Election Studies, was one of the strongest predictors of voter preference for Trump, noted Matt Barreto, a professor at UCLA.

“I feel like we waltz past this all the time,” said University of Louisiana’s Cross. “Explicit embrace of the white nationalist or racist ideology is not something the Republican Party is comfortable with.

“On the other hand, finding ways to appeal to those people who may have racist views, and may vote, has been an art long practiced by Republicans.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-republicans-20170816-story.html




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 11:50:53 AM)

Donald Trump Has Been a Racist All His Life — And He Isn’t Going to Change After Charlottesville

“Racism is evil,” declared Donald Trump on Monday, “and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

OK, “declared” may be too strong a word for what we heard from the president. “Stated” is perhaps a better descriptor. “Read out” might be the most accurate of all. Trump made these “additional remarks” with great reluctance and only after two days of intense criticism from both the media and senior Republicans over his original remarks blaming “many sides” for the neo-Nazi violence in Charlottesville, Virginia. The words were not his own: they were scripted by aides and delivered with the assistance of a teleprompter. The president reserved his personal, off-the-cuff ire on Monday for the black CEO of Merck, not for the white fascists of Virginia.

Much of the frenzied media coverage of what CNN dubbed “48 hours of turmoil for the Trump White House” has overlooked one rather crucial point: Trump doesn’t like being forced to denounce racism for the very simple reason that he himself is, and always has been, a racist.

Consider the first time the president’s name appeared on the front page of the New York Times, more than 40 years ago. “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” read the headline of the A1 piece on Oct. 16, 1973, which pointed out how Richard Nixon’s Department of Justice had sued the Trump family’s real estate company in federal court over alleged violations of the Fair Housing Act.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” the Times revealed. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” (Trump later settled with the government without accepting responsibility.)

Over the next four decades, Trump burnished his reputation as a bigot: he was accused of ordering “all the black [employees] off the floor” of his Atlantic City casinos during his visits; claimed “laziness is a trait in blacks” and “not anything they can control”; requested Jews “in yarmulkes” replace his black accountants; told Bryan Gumbel that “a well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market”; demanded the death penalty for a group of black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a jogger in Central Park (and, despite their later exoneration with the use of DNA evidence, has continued to insist they are guilty); suggested a Native American tribe “don’t look like Indians to me”; mocked Chinese and Japanese trade negotiators by doing an impression of them in broken English; described undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists”; compared Syrian refugees to “snakes”; defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless Latino man as “very passionate” people “who love this country”; pledged to ban a quarter of humanity from entering the United States; proposed a database to track American Muslims that he himself refused to distinguish from the Nazi registration of German Jews; implied Jewish donors “want to control” politicians and are all sly negotiators; heaped praise on the “amazing reputation” of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has blamed America’s problems on a “Jewish mafia”; referred to a black supporter at a campaign rally as “my African-American”; suggested the grieving Muslim mother of a slain U.S. army officer “maybe … wasn’t allowed” to speak in public about her son; accused an American-born Hispanic judge of being “a Mexican”; retweeted anti-Semitic and anti-black memes, white supremacists, and even a quote from Benito Mussolini; kept a book of Hitler’s collected speeches next to his bed; declined to condemn both David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan; and spent five years leading a “birther” movement that was bent on smearing and delegitimizing the first black president of the United States, who Trump also accused of being the founder of ISIS.

Oh and remember: we knew all of this before he was elected president of the United States of America. He was elected in spite of all this (yet another reminder that “not all Trump supporters are racist, but all of them decided that racism isn’t a deal-breaker”).

More: https://theintercept.com/2017/08/15/donald-trump-has-been-a-racist-all-his-life-and-he-isnt-going-to-change-after-charlottesville/




Real0ne -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 11:55:12 AM)

no shit sherlock, the clintons run their drug ring, gw and company orchestrated a nazi coup in 1933, they are all fucking criminals




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 12:42:38 PM)

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Of course, as per normal said "racist sexist bigot KKK Russian Nazi homophobe blah blah blah" propaganda wasn't manufactured until the pussyhats needed something to campaign on other than their hate-America-first ideology




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 12:55:24 PM)

Nobody hates America first, except maybe Al Qaeda (who may hate Saudi Arabia more).




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 12:58:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody hates America first, except maybe Al Qaeda (who may hate Saudi Arabia more).


Dems disrespecting the last presidential election results as much as they do, to the point they are willing to tell any lie and drive any wedge to destroy America demonstrates total hate and disrespect for her

They are really ratcheting up the hate




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:00:45 PM)

After the nonsense of the Obama years, disrespecting elections became the norm 9 years ago.





bounty44 -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:02:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody hates America first, except maybe Al Qaeda (who may hate Saudi Arabia more).


Dems disrespecting the last presidential election results as much as they do, to the point they are willing to tell any lie and drive any wedge to destroy America demonstrates total hate and disrespect for her

They are really ratcheting up the hate


they certainly do that enough here.




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:04:17 PM)

...while watching you defend it.

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BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:04:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

After the nonsense of the Obama years, disrespecting elections became the norm 9 years ago.




How many congressmen and movie stars and musicians etc openly called for Obama's assassination, for the White House to be blown up. How many plays in Central Park graphically depicted Obama's murder. How many "comedians" held up Obama's severed head as "a joke" for the stated benefit of targeting Obama's children

Were Obama's campaign stops cancelled due to bloody violence? No?

What have you got, a few TEA Partiers holding signs in a park over policy? Who Obama attacked with the IRS...





Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:08:21 PM)

I don't know. How many? 1? 2? And if they did, they broke federal law.

Indeed. Violence goes where Trump goes -- along with his calls of approval.

Tea Partiers with signs in the park aren't armed militia carrying nazi flags.

Point is -- there was plenty of disrespect for 8 years of election results. So no.




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:13:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I don't know. How many? 1? 2? And if they did, they broke federal law.

Indeed. Violence goes where Trump goes -- along with his calls of approval.

Tea Partiers with signs in the park aren't armed militia carrying nazi flags.

Point is -- there was plenty of disrespect for 8 years of election results. So no.


Leftist trash commit violence wherever conservatives go

There was opposition to Obama policy, first and foremost. What we are seeing from the left today is about overturning election results. Impeach, assassinate, and destroy President Trump personally as well as coordinated attacks against his businesses, his friends, his family, his supporters and any associates

People speaking in opposition to the left, are being met with threats and physical violence and the media is waging a nonstop propaganda campaign of despicable lies and distortions




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 1:16:41 PM)

Well, no, they don't. Not even close.




LTE -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 7:19:06 PM)

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Republicans have no legislative accomplishments other than the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch,


The only one that matters to the Left. Their whole purpose in driving Trump out of office is to secure the next appointment. It's why he is under assault like no other president, not because he is Trump but because another Justice is about to retire, a progressive. Duh. We know this. It's a life or death appointment for the progressive left because with another Trump appointment to the Supreme Court then all will be lost to that agenda no matter who is President over the next decade or so.

That's the real battle here.

As to his accomplishments, they are many as President. Isis is defeated as promised. Illegal migration is near zero. the GDP is up. Unemployment down. Stock market up. It's a good six months in office so far. We are all pleased with him and ignore the noise.




LTE -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 7:22:51 PM)

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the media is waging a nonstop propaganda campaign of despicable lies and distortions


It is life or death for the Left here with another Trump Supreme court appointment on the horizon. With the Supreme Court in firm Conservative control in the near future with another Left leaning Justice signalling his retirement then all the stops are out. Nothing is off the table in order to destroy Trump or whoever is in the White House as a Conservative.




Nnanji -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 7:22:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

After the nonsense of the Obama years, disrespecting elections became the norm 9 years ago.



Can't you just get over Obama?




bounty44 -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 7:26:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

...while watching you defend it.

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in the context of my answering bosco's post maniacalmystery, its clear im talking about the lefties.

however, I get the point you are trying to make (but failed at) and i'll say this, for what, the 3rd or 4th time now, you are absolutely incapable of articulating my position and that you keep assuming you know it, and spouting unsupportable slander in your posts, only goes to show what I continue to say---youre an insufferable fool and you suck.

wanna try for a 4th or 5th time?

for all intents and purposes, youre just a less vulgar version of mnottertroll and Thompson.




tamaka -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/19/2017 10:53:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

...while watching you defend it.

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for all intents and purposes, youre just a less vulgar version of mnottertroll and Thompson.



Kinda strange for a taoist.




bounty44 -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/20/2017 4:07:47 AM)

i don't know enough about Taoism to say but by the same token that I see nothing in him that commends him as a college teacher (not a "professor" by the way), I also see nothing in him that commends him as a person whose spiritual or philosophical behavior (in so much as it can be known here) I admire.




WhoreMods -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/20/2017 4:17:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody hates America first, except maybe Al Qaeda (who may hate Saudi Arabia more).

They hate Israel first, and wouldn't give a flying one about America if your country wasn't helping to support that one.




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