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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 6:10:32 PM   
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That, of course, led to everyone else to disarm.

You really are pretty dense. Canada showed that it can defend itself without nukes.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


If you studied history you would know that disarming in the face of madmen like Kim encourages tjem.


Hmmmm let's see ????how many times has amerika attacked n.k. in the past couple of hundred years? How many times has n.k. asttacked amerika in the past couple of hundred years?

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 6:46:23 PM   
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Just what do you think they should have done?

Keeping in mind that China is an ally, and when Beijing looks toward the South, they see a ring of Western allies surrounding them, from Japan to Taiwan to the Philippines . . .



Well the Philippines is with China now, right?

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 6:48:48 PM   
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Trump is the first one to even see the threat.

Oh bullshit, trump is just the first who has ramped up the whole affair in an attempt to distract the electorate from his utter failure to accomplish anything of importance or worth.
The tail is wagging the dog here folks, Trump is doing what he does best, running a con, and as usual he really doesn't give a fuck who gets hurt in the process, as long as he gets something he can call a "win" out of it.


Dizzy... i really doubt if he cares whether he accomplishes anything or not.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 7:59:16 PM   
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I say this because, he got 8 years to prevent North Korea from developing any credible weapons, but he did nothing effective.

Trump only came into office and within 6 months, suddenly, North Korea finally became successful in their missles.

Now if there is war. Poor neighbouring countries.


Actually Carter negotiated the deal, without any approval I might add, and Clinton accepted it even though it was negotiated extra legally.
Bush did practically nothing and Obama did even less. Trump is the first one to even see the threat.



OMG.... This whole thread is based on a tabloid understanding of the history of the region.

First of all Carter was SENT there by Clinton. (Not to negotiate a deal, but rather to persuade Kim Il Sung to negotiate with the Clinton administration.)

Secondly, the deal froze the North Korean nuclear program with inspectors onsite to verify. They got to keep fuel rods, but were under lock and key and verified by inspectors who had 24x7 access with NO advanced notice.


Thirdly.... The MAIN detail that you leave out of the story!!! Bush SCRAPPED the deal! The inspectors were ousted from the country. And you blame Obama????

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 8:07:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		You asked what we did, and I told you. We gave up our nukes. Nobody on earth can claim they need nukes to defend themselves against Canada. We are not part of the problem. That is what we did, we stopped threatening them.

Who knows, if everybody else had that sort of courage and insight, we might not be where we are now. But who knows, eh?

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/10/2017 9:12:50 PM   
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Well, if we want to look back, then as much as I liked Ike, it was Eisenhower's fault for preventing MacArthur from obliterating NK and the ChiComms that have supported the Kim regimes ever since. So let's all gang up on Ike for having allowed the NKs to develop nukes and ICBMs.
In the end it really doesn't matter who is responsible. The reality is that right this minute we are faced with a mad dictator with intercontinental nuclear capability. That's the real issue, not whose fault it might be for how that happened. Stop arguing politics and get busy building your bomb shelters.



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Can you image surviving a nuclear war?


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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 12:53:27 AM   
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This is all Truman's fault. Why exactly did he need to start this war to begin with, and never officially end it?

Truman, currently is the only President to actually use nuclear weapons, and this current POTUS wants to do the same in this pointless war against NK so he can deflect the press from his Russian problem.

Worst President Ever. Until Trump, of course.



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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 4:28:50 AM   
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What did Canada ever do to help resolve this issue ?

We showed the world the way forward, by voluntarily and unilaterally disarming nuclearly without having any quid pro quo from anybody.

That, of course, led to everyone else to disarm. If you studied history you would know that disarming in the face of madmen like Kim encourages tjem.

It's very easy to dismiss Kim as 'batshit crazy' but I am not sure it's a clever thing to do. Kim, with his ridiculous haircut and those awful suits might look the part to us, but remember he's playing to a domestic audience, not us.

From a North Korean perspective his actions make a lot of sense. Their goal is regime survival and he doesn't have many cards to play with. There's no economy to speak of, he has no friends outside of the country and probably a lot of ambitious underlings he needs to keep in check.

Keeping the US=bad guy thing happening is not that different to the paranoia of Trump's singling out Muslims and Mexicans as foreign enemies who want to intrude into the sacred national space. It keeps the country united behind him, and offers the possibility of eventually getting a Peace and Non-Aggression Pact which would ensure his and the country's survival for a while. Not to mention lots of financial sweeteners to make sure the deal sticks. He sees nuclear weapons as the ultimate guarantee of his and NK's survival. And he is very mindful of what happened to other dictators with nuclear ambitions who gave up their nuclear option without a fight - Ghaddafi Saddam Hussein ..... they're all dead now.

There's method in his madness, so don't be quick to dismiss it. The North Koreans have perfected the art of brinkmanship, but haven't allowed things to boil over into full on conflict for over half a century. And don't forget that from where he sits, Trump is just as crazy ... and there are lots of level headed Westerners who share that particular opinion.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 4:57:12 AM   
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It's very easy to dismiss Kim as 'batshit crazy' but I am not sure it's a clever thing to do. Kim, with his ridiculous haircut and those awful suits might look the part to us, but remember he's playing to a domestic audience, not us.


Even his appearance may well be calculated - portliness included - so I've seen it suggested. In particular, in order to look like Kim Il-sung.



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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 5:21:32 AM   
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So let me get this straight . . .

Trump, instead of solving the problem, is blaming someone else?

How . . . typically Trump.

Trump is not blaming anyone. I am blaming Obama. Trump had 6 months to deal with North Korea. And it's too late. Obama had 8 years to keep preventing them from getting successful.
So this isn't from Trump. But clearly, North Korea had at least 8 previous years to keep trying over and over again until they succeed.

I will not blame anybody before Obama because fact is, they did slow North Korea down. That's why North Korea haven't succeeded in their weapons while Obama was President, because previous Presidents slowed them down or block them.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 5:27:16 AM   
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It's very easy to dismiss Kim as 'batshit crazy' but I am not sure it's a clever thing to do. Kim, with his ridiculous haircut and those awful suits might look the part to us, but remember he's playing to a domestic audience, not us.


Even his appearance may well be calculated - portliness included - so I've seen it suggested. In particular, in order to look like Kim Il-sung.




A captive audience, like all socialist Dear Leader types

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 5:27:16 AM   
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Thirdly.... The MAIN detail that you leave out of the story!!! Bush SCRAPPED the deal! The inspectors were ousted from the country. And you blame Obama????

Considering Dennis Rodman is VVIP in North Korea and BFF with Kim. Infact wasn't Dennis Rodman recently back there on a buddy to buddy visit again?

https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/world/2017/06/13/dennis-rodman-in-north-korea/102819092/

We know at the very least that Kim loves African American people.

So knowing Obama pacifist way. I don't expect him to be hardline, and all threats like Trump.

But he could have became chummy with Kim and like, influence him in other ways.







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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 6:10:13 AM   
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So let me get this straight . . .

Trump, instead of solving the problem, is blaming someone else?

How . . . typically Trump.

Trump is not blaming anyone. I am blaming Obama. Trump had 6 months to deal with North Korea. And it's too late. Obama had 8 years to keep preventing them from getting successful.
So this isn't from Trump. But clearly, North Korea had at least 8 previous years to keep trying over and over again until they succeed.

I will not blame anybody before Obama because fact is, they did slow North Korea down. That's why North Korea haven't succeeded in their weapons while Obama was President, because previous Presidents slowed them down or block them.



Obama would not have had to do anything had Bush not ended the deal allowing inspectors onsite with 24x7 zero notice access to all sites and the fuel rods.

Bush didn't slow them down. He accelerated them full throttle.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 6:19:55 AM   
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So let me get this straight . . .

Trump, instead of solving the problem, is blaming someone else?

How . . . typically Trump.

Trump is not blaming anyone. I am blaming Obama. Trump had 6 months to deal with North Korea. And it's too late. Obama had 8 years to keep preventing them from getting successful.
So this isn't from Trump. But clearly, North Korea had at least 8 previous years to keep trying over and over again until they succeed.

I will not blame anybody before Obama because fact is, they did slow North Korea down. That's why North Korea haven't succeeded in their weapons while Obama was President, because previous Presidents slowed them down or block them.



Obama would not have had to do anything had Bush not ended the deal allowing inspectors onsite with 24x7 zero notice access to all sites and the fuel rods.

Bush didn't slow them down. He accelerated them full throttle.


Why do you keep telling that same lie over and over again?

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 6:36:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to depart with my faculties for once and kinda agree with what Comrade Bone Spurs said on the telly yesterday, well a little bit of what he said: effectively he blames the last 25 years administration, I think...yes he did I have just re-checked http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40895759/who-s-in-trump-s-good-books-and-who-isn-t

However, he has also blamed China of multiple occasions. Strangely not Russia – well that I can remember? And it’s their technology they are using for the missiles and trying to miniaturise a war head. They have enough uranium for 10 million war heads, or thereabouts, or perhaps that’s tones. Myth,legend, folklore says they have 5 – now how true that is I do no know.

Tis everyone’s fault but in particular its Russian and China’s fault. There is no point in the world sanctioning them if those two countries do not, and they didn’t effectively.

And here we are on the precipice – a game of chicken between a nutter and an idiot nutter.

There is a quiz here try it – I got a feeble 7/8. If you want 8/8 simply answer “Kim” for anything that seems it was spoken by anything older than a 3 year old buffoon – remember the big words rule – pssst “bereft” is technically a good word, which makes it a big word.

Quiz - two tics

Donald Trump or Kim Jong-un: Who said what?


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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 6:41:25 AM   
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So let me get this straight . . .

Trump, instead of solving the problem, is blaming someone else?

How . . . typically Trump.

Trump is not blaming anyone. I am blaming Obama. Trump had 6 months to deal with North Korea. And it's too late. Obama had 8 years to keep preventing them from getting successful.
So this isn't from Trump. But clearly, North Korea had at least 8 previous years to keep trying over and over again until they succeed.

I will not blame anybody before Obama because fact is, they did slow North Korea down. That's why North Korea haven't succeeded in their weapons while Obama was President, because previous Presidents slowed them down or block them.



Obama would not have had to do anything had Bush not ended the deal allowing inspectors onsite with 24x7 zero notice access to all sites and the fuel rods.

Bush didn't slow them down. He accelerated them full throttle.


Why do you keep telling that same lie over and over again?


Probably because it's the truth, you're too dense to realize it

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 6:53:13 AM   
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So let me get this straight . . .

Trump, instead of solving the problem, is blaming someone else?

How . . . typically Trump.

Trump is not blaming anyone. I am blaming Obama. Trump had 6 months to deal with North Korea. And it's too late. Obama had 8 years to keep preventing them from getting successful.
So this isn't from Trump. But clearly, North Korea had at least 8 previous years to keep trying over and over again until they succeed.

I will not blame anybody before Obama because fact is, they did slow North Korea down. That's why North Korea haven't succeeded in their weapons while Obama was President, because previous Presidents slowed them down or block them.



Obama would not have had to do anything had Bush not ended the deal allowing inspectors onsite with 24x7 zero notice access to all sites and the fuel rods.

Bush didn't slow them down. He accelerated them full throttle.


Why do you keep telling that same lie over and over again?



My mistake. I have the timeline wrong. I apologize.

Actually North Korea ousted the inspectors back in '93.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 8:23:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		The fault lies squarely on the shoulders of President Eisenhower. I loved and respected the man but he started us off on the limited war idea that has plagued us to this day. We should had pursued that war to it's completion. Of course if I had a child of military age back then I know i would be talking differently. He was wrong.

We tried it in Korea...didn't work... we tried it in Vietnam...didn't work... we tried it in Afghanistan... didn't work...we tried it in Iraq...didn't work... How is it going in Syria for you.

Clinton....Bush...Obama...Trump...all faced the same inescapable problem... to stop N Korea will insure perhaps millions of S. Korean's deaths. It will also kill many Americans and if China or Russia becomes involved it could mean a world war.

The solution is to squeeze hard economically until the people of N. Korea themselves revolt. This may mean hard economic times for the US because it will take economic force against China to accomplish this. You cannot build tanks...planes...h-bombs... and missiles without money. If we cannot force a revolt at least with no outside money coming into the country he will not be able to maintain his army and weapons.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 8:28:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't really matter which particular US President pulled out of the deal with North Korea. What matters is the US pulled out not the North Koreans.

What is much worse is that there are forces in the US agitating for a similar action in relation to the Iran nuclear deal. Perhaps those people need to ask themselves where did pulling out of the North Korea agreement get us? The answer to that question is that pulling out of that agreement set the ball rolling to where we are today - on the brink of nuclear confrontation. Not a nice place to be, and most certainly not a place to be revisited by pulling out of the Iran deal.

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RE: Technically North Korea is Obama's Fault - 8/11/2017 8:58:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		China has just issued a statement saying they would remain neutral if N Korea attacked the US but would not allow an American preemptive strike without retaliation.

If I were Trump...behind closed doors... I would threaten a complete forfeit of money owed China and a total economic ban on all Chinese goods sold in America...and damn well mean it.... No matter the hardship. China should not be allowed to support the N. Korean regime and also benefit from our economic partnership. If this were pursued as a policy I think the N. Korean regime would fall in a short time.

Better than H-Bombs or a ground war with China.

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