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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 12:57:32 PM   
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Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer said Trump bears responsibility for the violence that erupted in his city.

“Look at the campaign he ran,” Signer said in an interview with CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “I mean, look at the intentional courting, both on the one hand of all these white supremacists, white nationalists — a group like that — anti-Semitic groups, and then look on the other hand: the repeated failure to step up, condemn, denounce, silence — you know, put to bed all those different efforts, just like we saw yesterday. I mean, this is not hard.”

On NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s national security adviser, said Trump’s denunciation of hate groups went without saying.

“When he condemned bigotry and hatred on all sides, that includes white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and I think it’s clear,” McMaster said. “I know it’s clear in his mind.”

On Sunday, Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and White House adviser, issued a two-part statement on Twitter denouncing the hate groups.

“There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis,” Ivanka Trump tweeted.

She added: “We must all come together as Americans — and be one country UNITED.”

Earlier Monday, before delivering his statement denouncing the KKK, Trump lashed out at Kenneth Frazier after the Merck & Co. chief executive resigned from the President’s Manufacturing Council.

“America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal,” Frazier said in a statement.

Trump promptly tore into Frazier, tweeting that his resignation will give him more time to “LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-declares-racism-evil-denounces-neo-nazis-kkk-164751880.html


The same mayor in charge of the same police who stood around with their thumbs up their asses watching while the melee escalated

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 12:59:01 PM   
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It's sad you've become an apologist for neo-nazis.

Quite a change from your stance on page one of this thread.

I guess some folks are just prone to hatred.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:05:27 PM   
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What a pathetic sniveling ugly racist little man the president is,
As are his supporters

I can't tell if your projecting or fantasizing to get wet.

Why are you thinking about my vaj again, sick fuck


Lol, who was it that brought up posting history? Who is it that can only project or get off being a sick fuck. Oh, the person projecting here that I'm responding too. It's not your vaj. Nobody is interested in that...or thinks about it. It's more like people slowing down on the freeway when there's a wreck. Why is it you always have to I flick on us your sick attempts to get yourself off? It's nothing more than, for instance, a woman calling a guy a jerk. You should stop interjecting your autoerotic drives into the forum. While I understand that's all you have, it's just not pretty.

My posting history has nothing to do with you being a dickhole.
Thats all on you...
your words, not mine.
My post was on topic, the president and his base are ignorant bigoted pigs and nazis are in his base
You chose to make it about me.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:08:28 PM   
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Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer said Trump bears responsibility for the violence that erupted in his city.


It's called deflection. Clearly Mayor Signer failed to post sufficient police coverage to ensure a peaceful event, despite knowing well in advance that there could be trouble.
If blame is to be fixed it lands squarely on the Mayor. He can deflect all he wants, but it was his job to ensure peace in his city.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:09:53 PM   
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Actually, blame falls on the dude who pulls the trigger. Or in this case, drives the car.

The rest is rationalized bullshit.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:14:41 PM   
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Blame for the dead and injured rests on that driver.
Blame for the way the event turned out overall lies on the Mayor.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:18:30 PM   
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It's like debating a two-year old. Pass.

Read what actually happened if you get tired of the voices in your head.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:21:11 PM   
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Normalizing nazis is a thing again it seems.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:22:56 PM   
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They can try. But it's not looking normalized.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:24:38 PM   
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they are very trying.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:25:13 PM   
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It's sad you've become an apologist for neo-nazis.

Quite a change from your stance on page one of this thread.

I guess some folks are just prone to hatred.


Howler!

I have demonstrated that there is a pattern to leftist pussyhat mayors ordering their police forces to allow antifa and BLM terrorists to subject other citizens to violence and other criminal behavior

That the violence is escalating (and will continue to escalate) falls on useful idiot little pussyhat bitches like you who glibly refuse to see what is clearly laid out in front of you

The Nazis have the right to march and protest without being attacked, just like your Black Lies terrorist friends do, just like everyone else does. Doesn't mean I condone anyone, what I condone is free speech for everyone, even morons like you who cannot debate a point without your idiotic fallacy crutches

When politicians allow violence, then try to put the blame for the resulting blood that they caused on others I call bs, just like you should and just like all sane people should. We should expect better from our mayors than to allow violence in their streets against those who we disagree with politically

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:26:49 PM   
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Anyone carrying Nazi flags or towing the KKK line can go pound sand with Che fascists.

That's no way to run a parade




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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:28:58 PM   
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Anyone carrying Nazi flags or towing the KKK line can go pound sand with Che fascists.

That's no way to run a parade






Communists and gays and everyone else should also have the right to protest without any mayor allowing violence against them

That you are far too stupid to ever get that is not my problem

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:29:58 PM   
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Ah. So it was Nazis who got killed. In your world.

Reality and you are sworn enemies.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:30:14 PM   
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Judge Who Allowed White Nationalist to Rally Completely Ignored Documented Safety Problems


Michael Signer, the Mayor of Charlottesville, is upset about a federal judge’s decision to allow white supremacists to move forward with their rally at a tiny town park. Sadly, the protests spilled over into despicable violence, and resulted in the death of three people. Signer has a right to be upset. U.S District Judge Glen Conrad‘s decision to allow the rally to go forward is deeply troubling, and not supported by the evidence.

In the week leading up to the violent protests in Virginia, the ACLU teamed up with the white nationalist leader Jason Kessler to fight the city’s decision to modify the group’s permit. The City of Charlottesville determined that because of the large number of people expected, they needed to move the rally from Emancipation Park (formerly “Lee Park”) to a park about a mile away which could more safely accommodate the large crowds. To be clear, city leaders were not trying to deprive these Nazis of their First Amendment right to protest, but rather, they were trying to ensure that the rally went on safely and without incident.

But Kessler and the ACLU’s attorneys didn’t believe that was a good enough reason. The civil rights organization teamed up Kessler and filed a lawsuit against the City of Charlottesville.

“The revocation of Plaintiff’s permit was based on his viewpoint and was not necessary to achieve any compelling government interest,” the lawsuit claimed.

Except this time the ACLU (and the judge who sided with them) were on the wrong side of the facts. Some critics will say hindsight is 20/20, and you can’t blame the judge and the ACLU because they couldn’t have predicted what happened. However, even prior to the event, there was plenty of evidence to support the City’s decision to modify the permit, and instead allow the group to protest not even a mile away at a much larger park that was away from the highly populated area.

What’s the evidence? Prior to the violent rally, the City of Charlottesville supplied three signed affidavits filed by the City Manager, the Chief of Police, and the Fire Chief. Most convincing was a report from Police Chief Al S. Thomas documenting the investigation his officers had undertook ahead of the rally.

When Kessler first applied for the permit to rally in May, the white nationalist leader said that only 400 people would show. In the affidavit, Chief Thomas said that his Criminal Investigations Division had gathered a substantial amount of information to indicate that the estimate was very, very low. For example, a detective spoke with Michael Peinovich, one of the speakers at the rally, who himself admitted that the event may draw as many as 1,000 people. The police chief also documented conversations his detectives had with KKK leaders who confirmed that the estimated crowd size would easily exceed 400 people.

Not only that, police believed that those in attendance at the rally could be armed.

“Intelligence reports gathered by the CPD Criminal Investigations Division further indicate that some rally participants intend to carry firearms,” the police chief wrote in an affidavit submitted to the judge.

The chief further stated that the park was only 1.04 acres, and was situated in a busy urban area where the police did not have room to safely stage in case of an emergency. A crowd of that size would also require the closure of several public roads which could potentially cause severe delays for both event and non-event related emergencies.

McIntire Park, where the city wanted to move the rally, was significantly larger, and had adequate staging area for police. A map of the two parks easily shows how much larger and better situated McIntire Park is compared to Emancipation Park.

Yet somehow this wasn’t enough to convince U.S. District Judge Glen Conrad. What’s more, Judge Conrad’s opinion supporting his decision to grant a preliminary injunction to allow the rally at the smaller park seems to completely ignore the facts. He wrote:

Although the defendants maintain that the decision to revoke Kessler’s permit was motivated by the number of people likely to attend the demonstration, the record indicates that their concerns in this regard are purely speculative. Simply stated, there is no evidence to support the notion that many thousands of individuals are likely to attend the demonstration.

Wait, what? Did he not read Chief Thomas’ affidavit?

The judge concluded the city’s decision was content driven, and was not narrowly tailored to achieve the government’s interest. How in the world did he not at the very least acknowledge that there was a safety concern with thousands (or even hundreds) of Nazis with guns, and anti-racist protesters planning to gather in a tiny park in the middle of an urban area?

Again, the blame for what happened lies squarely with the disgusting hatred displayed by the white nationalists. And sure, the city might have partly based their decision on content, but no one can argue that safety was not also a major factor. The fact that the judge did not even acknowledge that in his opinion is very troubling.

When asked about their decision to defend Kessler, a spokesperson for the ACLU sent a statement condemning the violence.

“Since its inception, and even as we have and will continue to fight for free speech for everyone, the ACLU of Virginia has stood up for respect, decency, equality and humanity for all. What happened today had nothing to do with free speech. It devolved into conduct against individuals motivated by hate that was initially thuggish, and ultimately, deliberately murderous,” the statement read.



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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:30:17 PM   
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Maybe some sort of commendation for the officer, too.

Condemn a man for doing his sworn duty. Do bigots never tire of blaming the victim?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:32:17 PM   
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Ah. So it was Nazis who got killed. In your world.

Reality and you are sworn enemies.


Pure straw man, retard boy. As always, all you have are your fallacy crutches

I wrote that the violence was allowed to escalate




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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:34:14 PM   
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Maybe some sort of commendation for the officer, too.

Condemn a man for doing his sworn duty. Do bigots never tire of blaming the victim?



He said COMMEND not condemn.. put your readers on.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:35:44 PM   
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Ah. So it was Nazis who got killed. In your world.

Reality and you are sworn enemies.


Pure straw man, retard boy. As always, all you have are your fallacy crutches

I wrote that the violence was allowed to escalate




Judge Who Allowed White Nationalist to Rally Completely Ignored Documented Safety Problems


Michael Signer, the Mayor of Charlottesville, is upset about a federal judge’s decision to allow white supremacists to move forward with their rally at a tiny town park. Sadly, the protests spilled over into despicable violence, and resulted in the death of three people. Signer has a right to be upset. U.S District Judge Glen Conrad‘s decision to allow the rally to go forward is deeply troubling, and not supported by the evidence.

Incidentally, Conrad is a Bush appointee.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 1:38:59 PM   
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I take it we came across the story at the same time:)


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