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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:41:59 AM   
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5. Trump’s Unwillingness To Fight The Alt-Right Tooth And Nail Grows The Alt-Right.
President Trump’s milquetoast statement has emboldened members of the alt-right. Here’s the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer: “He outright refused to disavow. People saying he cucked are shills and kikes. He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.” That account may be unfair to Trump. But it’s what white nationalists are reading. They see Trump as a useful figure. David Duke said as much at the rally: “This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take this country back. We’re gonna fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump because he said he’s going to take our country back.”

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:44:05 AM   
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7 Things You Need To Know About The Charlottesville Violence And White Supremacist Terror Attack

by BEN SHAPIRO
August 13, 2017

About The Charlottesville Violence And White Supremacist Terror Attack

The car that allegedly plowed through a crowd of protestors marching through a downtown shopping district is seen after the vehicle was stopped by police several blocks away August 12, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia. Win McNamee/Getty Images
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In the aftermath of Saturday’s Charlottesville, Virginia chaos — a physically violent conflict between disgusting white supremacist alt-right thugs and repulsive Antifa thugs, which culminated in a murderous attack by an apparent alt-righter on the Antifa crowd and other miscellaneous counter-protesters, resulting in the death of one person and injuries to another 19 — the hot takes have been coming fast and furious.

Here are some of the things you need to know about the awful events of yesterday.

1.. The Alt-Right Is Not Conservative.
One of the hottest takes from the Left is that the alt-right represents the entire right — that what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia represented conservatives broadly.
That’s factually incorrect, and intellectually dishonest.
The alt-right is not just conservatives who like memes or who dislike Paul Ryan. The alt-right is a philosophy of white supremacy and white nationalism espoused by the likes of Vox Day, Richard Spencer, and Jared Taylor.

They openly acknowledge their antipathy for the Constitution and conservatism; they believe that strong centralized government is necessary to preserve “white civilization.” They label all their enemies “cucks” — men in favor of “race-mixing.” Here’s a solid guide to what the alt-right actually thinks.


See, here's the thing.

That's exactly what I would have thought, and did think, until the last few days.

But look at the continual focus here in the thread: it was the leftists. Right vs. left. Us vs. the leftists. People have stepped up and owned comradeship, on their own, with the alt-right white supremacists.

Likewise Trump. First he said little, the disavowed the supremacists only after pressure, and decided fuck it, let's make it a leftist thing instead, aligning himself by implication with the supremacists.

Wtf?



Sorry, but he's not as innocently passive as that. He's chosen to own the affiliation.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:48:23 AM   
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So what do we do about the 'Educated Supremicists'?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:49:03 AM   
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6. The Left’s Malfeasance And Support For Violent Groups Like Antifa Grow The Alt-Right.
Antifa was violent in Charlottesville.

That’s not according to me; that’s according to Sheryl Gay Stolberg of The New York Times, who tweeted thusly:

Sheryl Lee Goldburg
A few wrap-it-up thoughts from Charlottesville:
1. Striking how many of the white nationalists were young people, almost entirely men.
2. The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park

She was forced to backtrack and suggest that the Antifa thugs weren’t “hate-filled” after online blowback.
But Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — we all remember how they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and how they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.

This isn’t “whataboutism.”
Nothing justifies the alt-right’s racist perspective or murderous violence by an alt-righter. But it would be factually incorrect to ignore Antifa’s continuing role in the violent incidents that have now spread across the country.
Because the Marxists in Antifa try to shut down free speech, they drive foolish people into the morally incorrect binary decision of supporting the alt-right, rather than loudly rejecting the ideology and violence of both sides.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:52:46 AM   
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7. The Media’s Broad Misusage Of The Term Alt-Right Grows The Alt-Right.
Some members of the Leftist media have attempted to term large swaths of the right “alt-right” — just last week, some idiots in the media attempted to lump me in with the alt-right because I thought Google was wrong to fire James Damore. I am, for the record, perhaps the loudest voice against the alt-right in America, and I openly and repeatedly criticized Trump for failing to condemn the alt-right. For some evidence, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. There’s a lot more where that came from. But the media seek to paint the ENTIRE right with the alt-right brush, even though the alt-right hates the Constitutional conservative right. That drives otherwise reasonable people into thinking that perhaps they are alt-right — and then they, in knee-jerk fashion, defend the actual alt-right because they’re confused about definitions.
The Left needs to stop this nonsense immediately.

Charlottesville, Sacramento, Berkeley — we’re watching a microcosmic re-enactment of Weimar Republic brownshirt-vs.-reds violence in real-time, complete with the same flags being flown. Just as then, some leadership condemning the evil of alt-right white supremacy, the viciousness of hard-left Marxism, and the violence anyone commits in violation of basic rights should be unceasing and thunderous.

It’s not.

And so the problem is likely to metastasize.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 11:54:53 AM   
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For those checking out points brought out in the above, here is the whole article

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19658/7-things-you-need-know-about-charlottesville-ben-shapiro

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 12:13:15 PM   
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But Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — we all remember how they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and how they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.


Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many of the same individuals were at all three locations?


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 12:19:16 PM   
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But Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — we all remember how they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and how they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.


Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many of the same individuals were at all three locations?


It would be. Just as it would be I retesting to know how many of the same Alt-Right folks show up at different rallies. It's the extremists on both sides...being in the same space at the same time...that creates an even bigger problem.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 1:11:00 PM   
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That's true, but I kind of doubt that any Klan member has ever set foot in Berkeley, at least not since the middle 60s.
They'd probably see that as akin to an ultra right Christian choosing to swim across the river Styx for a vacation in Hell.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 1:49:38 PM   
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How do you get from a bunch of unknown people marching to 'what the GOP stands for'?


because truth be told tamaka, despite his self-declared "im here to talk with people with different viewpoints" he's really just here to denigrate them and quite unjustly so.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 1:52:04 PM   
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Since I have made that connection in this thread, I think you own that description. Congratulations.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 4:18:13 PM   
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But Antifa has trafficked in hate and violence for over a year now — we all remember how they’ve been assaulting people asserting their free speech rights in Berkeley, and how they have been engaged in street fights with alt-righters in places like Sacramento.


Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many of the same individuals were at all three locations?


Why would that be interesting?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 4:41:41 PM   
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Violent Groups Like Antifa

There is no such group, it exists only in your warped minds.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 4:53:15 PM   
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Yes, I was 13, but I had also just finished high school and was about to begin college shortly after that trip, hardly an unaware kid.

From what I have read that intelligence of guns came from an affidavit put out by the chief of police when he tried to influence a judge to change the venue days before and was mostly speculation.
However, do you really suppose that if all those marchers had been armed with firearms, that there would not have been a hail of gunfire that left all the counter protestors bleeding in the streets?
As we learned at Kent State in the 60s, put enough loaded weapons into a confrontational situation and some of them will be used.
So far I've heard zero about gunfire at this event. Good chance that there really were not many guns there or they'd have been used, don't you think?


Dude!!! The white nationalists were (are) pussies.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 4:54:22 PM   
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Violent Groups Like Antifa

There is no such group, it exists only in your warped minds.


They exist.....(even if they don't title themselves).

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 5:25:47 PM   
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Violent Groups Like Antifa

There is no such group, it exists only in your warped minds.


From the Oxford Online Dictionary...


Antifa




proper noun



A radical political movement that opposes fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing authoritarianism.


‘Saturday's rally had the support of Antifa, whose sworn enemy is the far right’



[as modifier] ‘riot police snatched black-clad Antifa protesters and arrested them’



Origin


1940s: shortening of anti-fascist.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 5:40:18 PM   
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Avoidance- and there you have it. And they want their words to matter to you all without an iota of reality - they are jobbies amok.

You all should all be shamed.
I dismiss all as errant unhandsome jobbies


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 5:45:32 PM   
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See, here's the thing.
That's exactly what I would have thought, and did think, until the last few days.
But look at the continual focus here in the thread: it was the leftists. Right vs. left. Us vs. the leftists. People have stepped up and owned comradeship, on their own, with the alt-right white supremacists.
Likewise Trump. First he said little, the disavowed the supremacists only after pressure, and decided fuck it, let's make it a leftist thing instead, aligning himself by implication with the supremacists.
Wtf?


Trump didn't say little. He just didn't specify the white supremacists. Why didn't he? Because he, too, saw that the violence and hatred were coming from the counterprotesters, too. Imagine, if you will, how it would have played out in the press if he had named the white supremacists and the Antifa counterprotesters. He still would have been labeled a racist and an alt-right supporter. The story would have been that either he was watering down the criticism of the white supremacists by including the counterprotesters, or it would have been claimed that he supported the white supremacists because his comments would have been interpreted as being softer on the white supremacists, and harsher on the counterprotesters.




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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 5:54:29 PM   
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He saw his Neo Nazis supporters and he shared his love to them as the were mowing down the innocents - the..installed my 27% of you brain dead idiots

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/16/2017 6:02:14 PM   
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Violent Groups Like Antifa

There is no such group, it exists only in your warped minds.


From the Oxford Online Dictionary...


Antifa




proper noun



A radical political movement that opposes fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing authoritarianism.


‘Saturday's rally had the support of Antifa, whose sworn enemy is the far right’



[as modifier] ‘riot police snatched black-clad Antifa protesters and arrested them’



Origin


1940s: shortening of anti-fascist.




They're fascists themselves, deciding who has the right to political assembly, who can give a speech, and who may protest etc:

The Roots of Left-Wing Violence

A vague and dangerous ideology


June 5, 2017

There is currently, on the streets, smashing storefronts and setting things on fire, a group called “Antifa,” for “anti-fascist.” Antifa are not a new phenomenon; they surfaced during the Occupy movement, and during the anti-globalization protests of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Antifa movements began in early-20th-century Europe, when fascism was a concrete and urgent concern, and they remain active on the Continent. Lately, Antifa have emerged as the militant fringe of #TheResistance against Donald Trump — who, they maintain, is a fascist, ushering into power a fascist regime. In Washington, D.C., Antifa spent the morning of Inauguration Day lighting trash cans on fire, throwing rocks and bottles at police officers, setting ablaze a limousine, and tossing chunks of pavement through the windows of several businesses. On February 1, Antifa set fires and stormed buildings at the University of California–Berkeley to prevent an appearance by Breitbart provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. (They succeeded.) In April, they threatened violence if Ann Coulter spoke on the campus; when the university and local law enforcement refused to find a secure location for her to speak, she withdrew, saying the situation was too dangerous.

These and similar episodes call to mind Woody Allen’s character’s observation in the 1979 film Manhattan: “A satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks and baseball bats really gets right to the point of it.”

All politics is, at some level, a vocabulary contest, and it happens that American politics is currently engaged in a fierce fight over, and about, words. The central word at issue is “fascist,” but there are others: “racist,” “sexist,” and the like. A great many people are currently involved in a turf war, aiming to stake out conceptual territory for these charged words: What is fascism? What isn’t it?

An illustration: In April, Heather Mac Donald was physically blocked from an auditorium at Claremont McKenna College, in Claremont, Calif., where she was scheduled to speak. Mac Donald is a scholar at the Manhattan Institute, a prominent right-of-center think tank. She is a noted expert on law enforcement, especially the complex relationship between law enforcement and minority communities. She was among the first to theorize that anti-police protests in Ferguson, Baltimore, Milwaukee, and elsewhere have facilitated an increase in urban crime; the so-called Ferguson Effect is now a matter of consensus among experts on both the left and the right. National Review readers will be well acquainted with Mac Donald; she publishes in these pages regularly.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448275/antifa-protest-donald-trump-roots-left-wing-political-violence

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