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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 4:49:00 PM   
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Doesn't that mean that the founders are out, they agree that they were traitors.


They would be traitors to england dumbass. It was amerika that lee betrayed.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 7:30:16 PM   
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I wager none

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 9:24:17 PM   
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No dumbass, no monuments to traitors.



You keep identifying Lee as a traitor. In the United States the punishment for that was hanging at the time.
Lee never fled the country, in fact he took a very visible position as President of Washington College. He could easily have been arrested at any time.
So would you care to provide the transcript of the trial in which he was convicted as a traitor? Or evidence that he was subsequently hung?
Of course you can't because such a trial never happened. Rather Lee was pardoned by President Johnson on 12/25/1868.
Nor was Lee hung. He died a month after a stroke due to complications of pneumonia on 10/12/1870.
Seems that the government disagrees with you about Lee. Seems he was only tried as a traitor in your own mind.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 9:28:17 PM   
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No dumbass, no monuments to traitors.



You keep identifying Lee as a traitor. In the United States the punishment for that was hanging at the time.
Lee never fled the country, in fact he took a very visible position as President of Washington College. He could easily have been arrested at any time.
So would you care to provide the transcript of the trial in which he was convicted as a traitor? Or evidence that he was subsequently hung?
Of course you can't because such a trial never happened. Rather Lee was pardoned by President Johnson on 12/25/1868.
Nor was Lee hung. He died a month after a stroke due to complications of pneumonia on 10/12/1870.
Seems that the government disagrees with you about Lee. Seems he was only tried as a traitor in your own mind.


They didn't even try Jeff Davis, in fact he served in congress after the war.


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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 9:55:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		If anyone of any significance in the US government had considered Lee a traitor, he would have been arrested and held for trial immediately after signing the articles of surrender at Appomattox Courthouse. Grant not only didn't arrest Lee, he didn't even ask Lee to hand over his weapons.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/16/2017 10:04:35 PM   
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If anyone of any significance in the US government had considered Lee a traitor, he would have been arrested and held for trial immediately after signing the articles of surrender at Appomattox Courthouse. Grant not only didn't arrest Lee, he didn't even ask Lee to hand over his weapons.


Yep.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 11:06:03 AM   
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They didn't even try Jeff Davis, in fact he served in congress after the war.

You are a lying sack of shit.

 

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Jefferson Davis (1808-1889) was the first and only president of the Confederate States of America. After a distinguished
career in national politics as Secretary of War under Franklin Pierce, Davis served as a congressman and then as a Mississippi
senator. After the South's defeat in the Civil War, he was stripped of his citizenship and took refuge in Europe, returning to the
United States after a treason case against him was dropped. He died in New Orleans in 1889, and Congress posthumously
reinstated his American citizenship in 1978


https://www.shmoop.com/civil-war/jefferson-davis.html

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 11:18:22 AM   
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No dumbass, no monuments to traitors.



You keep identifying Lee as a traitor. In the United States the punishment for that was hanging at the time.


You really are a stupid little boy.


On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in
the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to
make special application to the President. Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:
Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for
the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the
Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate
Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Virginia 9 April '65.[121]


Oath of amnesty submitted by Robert E. Lee in 1865
On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored.


https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/piece-lee.html



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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 12:01:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lee was excepted from a general pardon issued by Johnson in 1865, but he WAS subsequently pardoned by Johnson in 1868.

Pardon of Robert E Lee

It is also significant to note that Lee's citizenship was restored in full posthumously by President Gerald R Ford on August 5th, 1975 at a ceremony in Lee's former home in Arlington. Prior to Ford's signing it had been voted upon by Congress and passed with an overwhelming majority.

Your unmitigated hatred of Lee is clear, and is blinding you to the facts of history.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 2:34:05 PM   
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Lee was excepted from a general pardon issued by Johnson in 1865, but he WAS subsequently pardoned by Johnson in 1868.

Pardon of Robert E Lee


Roflmfao.....a blog entry
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

It is also significant to note that Lee's citizenship was restored in full posthumously by President Gerald R Ford on August 5th, 1975 at a ceremony in Lee's former home in Arlington. Prior to Ford's signing it had been voted upon by Congress and passed with an overwhelming majority.


That was in the link I posted from the national archives which states that lee's posthumous pardon dates from the ford
administration and not from the andrew johnson administration.
Jesus you are phoquung stupid.


Your unmitigated hatred of Lee is clear, and is blinding you to the facts of history.

Hatred????History records his actions. He took up arms against his country for his own personal gain(he was a slave owner who sought to preserve that institution bay committing treason.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 2:38:15 PM   
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Lee was excepted from a general pardon issued by Johnson in 1865, but he WAS subsequently pardoned by Johnson in 1868.

Pardon of Robert E Lee

It is also significant to note that Lee's citizenship was restored in full posthumously by President Gerald R Ford on August 5th, 1975 at a ceremony in Lee's former home in Arlington. Prior to Ford's signing it had been voted upon by Congress and passed with an overwhelming majority.

Your unmitigated hatred of Lee is clear, and is blinding you to the facts of history.


72 election McGovern takes with the NV don't you consider that treason.
Jane Fonda visiting POW camps then coming back and lying about the treatment of U S soldiers
there on the grounds that on principle she didn't criticize socialist countries.

How is that for treason?

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 2:52:04 PM   
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72 election McGovern takes with the NV don't you consider that treason.

No declared war so a u.s. senator may speak with pretty much whom he pleases. Now we know that angers Nazis everywhere.


Jane Fonda visiting POW camps


No declared war otherwise she would have been arrested.

then coming back and lying about the treatment of U S soldiers

Cite please.

there on the grounds that on principle she didn't criticize socialist countries.

Why would she?

How is that for treason?

Not even in the same zip code with taking up arms against the country you have taken a solemn oath to protect.


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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:04:06 PM   
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Hatred????History records his actions. He took up arms against his country for his own personal gain(he was a slave owner who sought to preserve that institution bay committing treason.



No, he did not. You fail to consider that Lee renounced his citizenship in the USA before taking up arms. That's why it had to be restored by Congress and Ford. He was a citizen of the CSA when he took up arms, and he did his best to defend his country. Defending your country is not the act of a traitor. Let's not forget that had Lincoln not sent the Army to retake the Confederate states there would have been no Civil War, simply a secession. One cannot blame Lee for defending his country regardless of how it treated the slavery issue.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:08:32 PM   
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Hatred????History records his actions. He took up arms against his country for his own personal gain(he was a slave owner who sought to preserve that institution bay committing treason.



No, he did not. You fail to consider that Lee renounced his citizenship in the USA before taking up arms. That's why it had to be restored by Congress and Ford. He was a citizen of the CSA when he took up arms, and he did his best to defend his country. Defending your country is not the act of a traitor. Let's not forget that had Lincoln not sent the Army to retake the Confederate states there would have been no Civil War, simply a secession. One cannot blame Lee for defending his country regardless of how it treated the slavery issue.


And prior to that Lee spoke out against slavery. Before attacking him for speaking against slavery you have to remember a couple of things.
A Va law made it very difficult to free slaves.
B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:21:50 PM   
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And prior to that Lee spoke out against slavery.

Cite please.


Before attacking him for speaking against slavery you have to remember a couple of things.
A Va law made it very difficult to free slaves.


Take them out of the state...why is that so hard?

B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.


You are a lying sack of shit.
cite please

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:35:57 PM   
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Hatred????History records his actions. He took up arms against his country for his own personal gain(he was a slave owner who sought to preserve that institution bay committing treason.



No, he did not. You fail to consider that Lee renounced his citizenship in the USA before taking up arms.

Cite please.


That's why it had to be restored by Congress and Ford.

As has been cited before Those punks lost their citizenship because they were traitors. Johnson pardoned them except for lee, davis ,forrest, and a few hundred others.

He was a citizen of the CSA when he took up arms,

Perhaps you might get a grown up to explane the difference between a rebellion and a revolution. There never was a csa. the confederacy was a rebellion and not a sovereign nation.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

and he did his best to defend his country. Defending your country is not the act of a traitor.

He broke his oath as an army officer. He committed treason by taking up arms against his country.



Let's not forget that had Lincoln not sent the Army to retake the Confederate states there would have been no Civil War,
simply a secession. One cannot blame Lee for defending his country regardless of how it treated the slavery issue.

Roflmfao.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:49:06 PM   
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B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.


You are a lying sack of shit.
cite please




From Snopes.com, you know, the fact checking people...

Snopes

"Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased — they were inherited) in 1862! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!"

Seems Bama is dead on correct.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 3:57:38 PM   
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B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.


You are a lying sack of shit.
cite please




From Snopes.com, you know, the fact checking people...

Snopes

"Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased — they were inherited) in 1862! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!"

Seems Bama is dead on correct.

And he still won't admit that if we take the status down because of the alleged treason you would have take down those from the revolution because they stated they were committing treason.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 4:07:47 PM   
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B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.


You are a lying sack of shit.
cite please




From Snopes.com, you know, the fact checking people...

Snopes

"Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased — they were inherited) in 1862! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!"

Seems Bama is dead on correct.

And he still won't admit that if we take the status down because of the alleged treason you would have take down those from the revolution because they stated they were committing treason.

Except they were not committing treason against the United States.

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RE: Congratulations, Lefty! You Are Now A Felon. - 8/17/2017 4:13:11 PM   
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B Some of Lee's former slaves swore that he had freed them and then hired them as share croppers.


You are a lying sack of shit.
cite please




From Snopes.com, you know, the fact checking people...

Snopes

"Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased — they were inherited) in 1862! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!"

Seems Bama is dead on correct.

And he still won't admit that if we take the status down because of the alleged treason you would have take down those from the revolution because they stated they were committing treason.

Except they were not committing treason against the United States.

No, they were English citizens.
And during the Civil War were not US Citizens. I was pointing out how ridiculous the whole argument is.
While playing this game how about the people who declared Baltimore to be open revolt ?

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