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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 6:43:00 AM   
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figure out what president trump actually said, and then feel invited to come back for a retraction.
regardless, as if that matters anyways in terms of either impeachment, or the left being unhinged nut jobs.

Are you proud to support a President who won't unequivocally denounce Nazis and white supremacists? Can't afford to piss off the only part of the base that still supports him I guess.


How did he not unequivocally denounce the nazis and white supremacists? Was it because he didn't single them out, but denounced the violence, racism and bigotry exhibited by both sides? Being critical of both sides together is now not being critical of one of the sides?!?


It was a back-pedaling, not his commitment to peace and love.

Regardless, the optics of sympathizing with marching flag-carrying neo-Nazis is a bridge too far for many Americans, whatever their political affiliation.

Does impeachment stand a chance? I doubt it. But we're closer than we were, and just the process can hamstring a president for months.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 6:59:30 AM   
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So...basically...the same group that told us we "had to accept the election if Hillary won" is still the group that refuses to accept the election.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 7:02:37 AM   
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So...basically...the same group that told us we "had to accept the election if Hillary won" is still the group that refuses to accept the election.

This is another republican talking about impeaching him, not a democrat.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 7:02:41 AM   
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Nope. If that's what you got from that, please seek out a reading tutor.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 7:37:37 AM   
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FR to the OP.
He's grandstanding. they don't have the votes. Just more hyperpartisan stupidity. It goes both ways.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 8:21:37 AM   
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So...basically...the same group that told us we "had to accept the election if Hillary won" is still the group that refuses to accept the election.


Bingo.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 8:42:21 AM   
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Kinda like how you're still not over Obama or Hilary.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 11:38:38 AM   
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So...basically...the same group that told us we "had to accept the election if Hillary won" is still the group that refuses to accept the election.

This is another republican talking about impeaching him, not a democrat.

Really? Since this was published?

Stephen Ira Cohen (born May 24, 1949) is the U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 9th congressional district, serving since 2007. He is a member of the Democratic Party. Tennessee's 9th district includes almost three-fourths of Memphis. Cohen is Tennessee's first Jewish congressman.[1]

Or are you talking about another Steve Cohen from Tennessee?

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 12:01:16 PM   
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Al Green and Brad Sherman have also called for impeachment, but all three are Democrats.

My understanding is that most Democrats don't want Pence, so that helps Trump remain.

It's not until Republicans are on board that any of this becomes real. And they've been clear about choosing power over values.

At least they don't pretend to be about "family values" anymore.

The nazi thing, though, isn't going to sit well with a lot of people.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 12:08:37 PM   
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So...basically...the same group that told us we "had to accept the election if Hillary won" is still the group that refuses to accept the election.

This is another republican talking about impeaching him, not a democrat.

Really? Since this was published?

Stephen Ira Cohen (born May 24, 1949) is the U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 9th congressional district, serving since 2007. He is a member of the Democratic Party. Tennessee's 9th district includes almost three-fourths of Memphis. Cohen is Tennessee's first Jewish congressman.[1]

Or are you talking about another Steve Cohen from Tennessee?

I thought they were on about William Cohen, who has dissed Trump over Charlottesville.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/18/2017 12:34:01 PM   
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An opinion piece from the brookings instsitute.
TRUMP IS JUST SIX SENATE VOTES AWAY FROM IMPEACHMENT
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/08/09/president-trump-needs-friends-in-the-senate/

At some point in 2019 (if not sooner) a Republican Senator may walk into the Oval Office and say to President Trump: “Mr. President, we don’t have the votes,” at which point the Trump presidency will end in a resignation or a conviction in the Senate. This scenario actually occurred forty-three years ago this summer when Republican Senator Barry Goldwater walked into the Oval Office and told Republican President Richard Nixon that they didn’t have the votes in the Senate to save his presidency. Following impeachment in the House, a trial takes place in the Senate. Conviction requires two-thirds of the Senate and by my count there are already twelve senators who have shown a willingness to take on the president when they believe he is in the wrong. If you add that to the forty-eight Democrats in the Senate (who have shown no inclination to work with this President), Donald Trump could be six votes away from conviction in the Senate.

Of course this assumes that the forces now in motion continue on their same trajectory and result in an impeachment vote. They are: the investigations into the Trump campaign; evidence of weakness in the Republican base; historical trends indicating a possible Democratic takeover in the House and, last but not least, defiance in the Senate.[1]
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) was defiant after being called out by the president, saying “No second thoughts at all. None,” after her vote against the president on health care. Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah) has been none too pleased with the efforts to repeal Obamacare, insisting that it “does not go far enough in lowering premiums for middle-class families.”

But perhaps the most high profile opposition to the president came from Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) who returned to Washington from his hospital bed to cast the dramatic and final vote killing the Republican replacement for Obamacare. After Trump, during the presidential campaign, ridiculed McCain’s seven years in a prison camp in Hanoi the Arizona senator showed he is clearly not afraid to take on the president.

This last trend should be particularly worrisome for the president. Article I of the Constitution gives them the last word on the presidency. And yet instead of making friends in the Senate, Trump has done exactly the opposite.

After the Senate failed to pass his Obamacare replacement, Trump took to Twitter to denounce them as “fools” and “total quitters.” That could not have gone over well with the senators who opposed him along the way. One of them, Senator Susan Collins (R-Maine), arrived home to an impromptu gathering of supporters at the Portland airport who applauded her vote against the president’s replacement of Obamacare.
Another Republican senator from the west, Dean Heller (R-Nev.) also felt free to criticize the President and vote against him on several key issues. Senators Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) have been vocal in their opposition to the president’s budget—especially the proposed cuts in drug treatment programs. Capito threatened to lead “a bipartisan group of my colleagues on the Appropriations Committee and in the Senate to reject those proposed cuts.” They are part of the 18 Republican senators who voted against the Trump budget.

A second major setback for the president in the Senate was passage of a Russia sanctions bill that curtailed the president’s freedom of action in adjusting sanctions—a clear signal that an overwhelming number of senators don’t trust the president on Russia issues. As a further reflection of that inter-branch distrust, there are two bi-partisan bills in the Senate which would check the president’s ability to fire the special prosecutor Robert Mueller looking into the Russia issue. One is sponsored by Senator Thom Tillis (R. N.C.) and Senator Christopher Coons, (D-Del.) and the other by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Senator Cory Booker (D-N.J.). Senator Graham has gone so far as to warn the president that firing Mueller would mark “the beginning of the end of the Trump Administration.”

And then there is the man who used to be the president’s closest friend in the Senate, Jeff Sessions, who endorsed Trump when no one else would and became his Attorney General only to suffer weeks of embarrassing insults from the President. Senators such as Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) have defended Sessions against the president, warning that if Sessions is fired there will not be a confirmation hearing for another attorney general this year.

Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been a consistent thorn in President Trump’s side, repeatedly questioning his foreign policy appointments and insisting in an op-ed, “Make no mistake, no matter who is president or what their party is, it is my firm belief that the president needs congressional authorization for military action, as required by the Constitution.”

Finally, Senator Jeff Flake, (R-Ariz.) wrote an entire book accusing President Trump of abandoning conservative Republican principles. Flake is facing a tough re-election race, and his book Conscience of a Conservative (the same title used by his hero Senator Barry Goldwater 57 years ago), is either a Hail Mary play, a genuine attack on what Trump has done to his party, or both. In it he writes, “Never has a party so quickly or easily abandoned its core principles as my party did in the course of the 2016 campaign.”

These 12 Republicans have no fear of the president. You could probably add Senator Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who is up for re-election in 2020 and whose state also voted for Clinton in 2016. The president needs to start making friends in the United States Senate.
[1] On average, since the Truman Era, a president’s party loses more than 28 House seats in his first midterm election. (In 2018, Democrats need to pick up 24 seats to win back the House.)

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 1:13:15 AM   
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Ranking Member Cohen to Introduce Articles of Impeachment Against President Donald Trump After Comments on Charlottesville


What has taken him so long?

Predictions of Trump's eventual impeachment were made prior to his inauguration, during his inauguration and have only increased since his inauguration. While the numbers might not stack up for impeachment at the moment, the trend is consistently favourable. Given Trump's ridiculously inept performance to date, and no prospect of any improvement in that performance, there is little reason to suppose that this trend will be reversed in the foreseeable future.

The only thing in Trump's favour is that Pence will take his place when he is impeached. That is not a prospect worth savouring.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 2:27:13 AM   
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The only thing in Trump's favour is that Pence will take his place when he is impeached. That is not a prospect worth savouring.


Yep. I could imagine he read 'The Handmaid's Tale' and saw it as a portrayal of Utopia.


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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 4:17:19 AM   
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The only thing in Trump's favour is that Pence will take his place when he is impeached. That is not a prospect worth savouring.


Yep. I could imagine he read 'The Handmaid's Tale' and saw it as a portrayal of Utopia.



It makes a change from a republican thinking that the SF novel that portrays the perfect society is by Jerry Pournelle...

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 5:07:57 AM   
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The only thing in Trump's favour is that Pence will take his place when he is impeached.


Worked for Obama. No one wanted to think about Biden as President, so there was never a serious effort to impeach Obama.


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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 5:17:11 AM   
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well there was nothing to impeach Obama for...


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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 6:00:04 AM   
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well there was nothing to impeach Obama for...


Details, Lucy. Do you think the republicans give a shit about trivia like that?

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Articles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 6:06:02 AM   
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Nah, not in the slightest, that was a hope I gave up nov 9th last year


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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 7:42:12 AM   
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Oh poor you DesidesriScuri being so misunderstood, now how many cars did the counterprotesters slam into the peaceful white supremacists?
You certainly in the same boat as Melissa Francis on Fox News, she state she find herself uncomfortable and 'judged' after she supported the group of neo-Nazis and racists in Charlottesville.

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RE: Congressman Cohen to introduce Artcles of Impeachment - 8/19/2017 7:57:36 AM   
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wtf??

first, desi's not even referencing himself in his post, he asked a legitimate question and he's talking specifically about president trump.

secondly, he's also articulating a viewpoint held by a majority of americans---with whom liberals are apparently and continually, like you, out of touch with.

thirdly, sorry, Melissa francis may indeed have said something about "being uncomfortable and feeling judged" but its not because she "supported the group of neo-Nazis and racists in Charlottesville" in the way you are implying it.

lastly, the someone being killed with a car, however terrible, doesn't change the underlying principles of many people being at fault for what occurred prior to it.

wise up; the last thing the forum needs is another lefty incapable of good critical thinking.

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