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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 9:43:20 AM

popeye1250

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Jeff, Susan, how about "Branding?" I was just thinking that you could take a piece of metal, you know like a branding iron, get one of those ink pads that they have in office supply stores and first put the branding iron in ice so that it's very cold then, press it onto the ink pad and "brand" your Pony right on one of her ass cheeks!
It would feel like she was being branded and that type of ink would stay on her ass for a few days anyway!
You can't ride an un-branded Pony!
That would be "Rustlin!

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 9:49:17 AM

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popeye,

Well, I suppose you could go in for 'real' branding at that point, but that's a 'whole other' ball of wax, that I wasn't even considering with pony play. That's a commitment. I have seen one branding in real life (the aftereffects, not the act), and it can be impressive, but I haven't found that to be an interest I would act on without some prodding from the slave. Never say never, though.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 9:59:44 AM

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Jeff, yes, that would definately leave a permanent scar!
I don't know about that. I don't think I'd want to do that.
Yes, I've seen a few people with scars from branding as well.
And racing Ponys would be fun too. Like on a hot day and seeing how fast they could run and when they got all hot and sweaty you'd have to take them back to the barn to water them and then sponge them down with one of those big sponges that they have and a bucket of water. And maybe feed them celery and carrots for a treat too.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 10:11:14 AM

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Why is pony play considered so exotic by many?

Pony Play seems to be considered an exotic form of activity by many. At least this is my experience. Why is this? Or maybe I am wrong and have just talked to some who don't want much to do with it. I wanted this from my last Dominant, and he agreed it was interesting, but said it seemed "very involved", so we never did much of that. I certainly was not expressing a desire to live as a 24/7 pony, or even for a few hours a day - just to experiment with it to see more of what it's all about. I don't see what is that "involved" about it - anymore than some other things can be, or are, like suspension, or using a St. Andrews cross, for example. Can't people do it at the level they feel comfortable with, anyway?
I get the impression many people just don't understand it - or that it is a form of Objectification.

Some seem to think it has something to do with liking (or wanting to impersonate) horses in some weird, abnormal way - which is of course, not true (in my opinion)- at least there is much more to it than that, if it is true.

Others I hear say things like "It can be expensive", and yet these same folks will spend $300 on a flogger or get a Wartenburg wheel for their "playroom" without batting an eyelash.

Is it really that exotic? - am I missing something?

I just don't seem to see that many people who express an interest in it.

- Susan

Dear Susan and all.........

*** short answer at bottom for the busy stable-owner***

Golly...... where do ya begin with this kind of fantasy....

OK, here's a little story, let's start with that...
I'm in this huge weird sex store in LA, The Pleasure Chest.
My buddy Brent, who is as straight
and non-kinky as Condi Rice (I mean the-non-sex-kinky)
(and probably gets laid with the same rare frequency as her )
was browsing around ... while I was talking to the guy
at the back counter about some exotic leather restraints....

.........and the only frickin thing in the whole 4000 ft store
Brent wanted was a pony mask. I though that was amazing and hilarious.
And by the way, he bought one,
and it will sit unused, in his bedroom for years, I betcha...

>>Why is pony play considered so exotic by many?

1. Well, to begin with, there's VERY heavy sexual overtones
of erotic behaviour with another species (watch the mod get me here)...

2. Horses, like cars, are somehow inherently sexy to a lot of people.
Power, freedom, ownership, speed, travel, independance...
Young women often have immensely erotic senses around a
big strong sweaty chest-heaving horse that obeys their command
with a flick of the reins and a nudge of the knee...

........ ohmywherevercouldthosefeelingscomefrom .............

3. Perhaps by BDSM / collarme standards, there is lots weirder shit out there,
but really.... sticking a tail in somebody's asshole, a bit in her mouth....
...... that's just not going to get you a guest appearance
on Focus On The Family's big Sunday radio show..... ya know.

>>Some seem to think it has something to do with liking (or wanting to impersonate) horses

Sure as hell looks to me like
they are impersonating a horse, my dear!
We agree there's more to it than that...... but dem's horsies for shore...

>>>
I get the impression many people just don't understand it - or that it is a form of Objectification.

If I was a betting man,
I'd wager that there are as many different motivations
to play as a pony, or to own a pony.... as there are people.

Understand? What's that? Understanding has very little to do with pleasure, IMHO.
A very smart, very cool, former slavey-subby-owned woman
wrote to me just today about BDSM in ganeral and said...
........ "Why don't they just let their hair down and do it!!!

>>Objectification.

In a way, anytime folks play at not being human,
that's a form of objectification, by my understanding...
Perhaps not as "object-like" as a toilet or an ashtray...
but objectified, IMHO

***************************************

What leads folks to try shit like this?? millions of reasons...

Many people like to leave their normal cosciousness behind,
and wear a different mind for a while....

*** being a sex-service show pony,
instantly obeying her masters every command
*** getting drunk in a bar, or stoned on rock or meth or whatever, that's a different mindset, eh?
*** taking a really nice beating on your ass for an hour,
till every thought, worry, emotion, fussiness is just totally
obliterated by the sensations sreaming thru your neurology....

**** looking at a woman from above her,
as she lies naked, bound, vulnerable, submissive, and available...
and you know you have taken/recieved the complete power
to do absolutely anything with her/to her/near her..... anything....
.........wow! that's a totally non-normal-world mindset....

>>Is it really that exotic? - am I missing something?
Well, if ya really got throbbin clit for it,
and don't ever get a bridle and a tail, and an owner...
yes, I'd say you were missing something...
(he said..... with a little smile around the eyes...)

>>Why is pony play considered so exotic by many?

*** Short answer for the busy stable-owner.

I think the short answer, Susan,
is that it's considered "exotic" because
there's a helluva lot more work, more rehearsal,
more preparation.... to train and groom and outfit
and show off a pony than it is
to just buy a set of nipple-clamps and a remote control buttplug.

It's exotic cause lazy people will never get around to it.

DD
PS... this frisky old goat has never jumped a pony, just likes wimmmmin

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 10:32:55 AM

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Doctor, good post! You hit on a lot of things there.
Yes of course there's "objectification" involved in it in that "The Pony" is playing a role, taking on a whole other "personna" as it were and like Susan said, "ponys can't talk." So you can do a lot of things with your Pony that perhaps they might not like too much like her having to urinate just like a pony does, standing up and pissing on the ground for all to see.
And you'd be doing things to her that you wouldn't be doing to another person in the normal course of events.
And of course that type of play would be *very appealing* to someone who is an exhibisionist!
To me as a Dominant I find it very erotic that someone would want me to do that with them.
I don't have any experience in it but I sure can think of a bunch of things and ways to improvise!
I think it would make for a *very fun afternoon* once in a while, that's for sure!

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 10:54:27 AM

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Doctor, to a lesser extent I used to play a scene with my former sub that I called, "Kitty".
She'd put on cat ears, whiskers, a tail and sexy lingerie and act like a sexy female cat, on all fours rubbing up against me and I'd say, "What do you want Kitty, leave me alone!"
Then over to the couch and some sexy purring and meowing and I'd be patting her and saying "Good Kitty" and you can probably figure out the rest.
It got her "outside" herself she told me.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 11:09:35 AM

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susan,

It is a an erotic form of power dynamic and can as all the posts indicate be a simple ot complex dynamic. Simple works for me if the "pony" is really into it.

CP

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 12:27:58 PM

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Oh Susan, a "Wartenberg wheel" isn't expensive at all!
It's a small surgical instrument made of stainless steel with a little spiked wheel on one end with a handle on the other. It's about 5 inches long and light as a feather.
It's used to test the skin for neurological damage by running it across the affected area.
As for the sensation I can only describe it as a very *extreme* tickling sensation!
It can be almost *unbearable* when applied to the nipples or inner thighs so you can just imagine how it would feel on *other* areas!
It imparts a feeling of *TOTAL* helplessness and the sub should be tied very securly and helplessly which I always do anyway because she *WILL* be squirming wildly.
To get just a taste of what it's like, take a plastic bottle of vasoline with the popup spout and the small sharp ridges all around that cap and rub those ridges on a sensitive part of your anatomy.
As intense as that is the Wartzberg wheel (in someone else's hands) will be about three times as intense when you can't get away from it!
It will take you to a whole different universe of sub space I promise you!
Mine cost $14.
Were you perhaps thinking about those big round wheels that someone is bound to and spun around?

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 1:03:27 PM

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Branding is probably my biggest Sadistic fantasy; with a hot iron, not a cold one!

BTW - thanks to all who have answered already - it is appreciated.

-Susan

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 1:15:07 PM

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I've recently been reading a fair amount of BDSM related books, mostly fiction, and a few have storylines regarding pony girls. To say i find it fascinating is similar to calling the Pacific 'wet'. While it's not anything i'd ever want to try, to know there are individuals willing to go through the incredibly huge time/energy commitment required to become a pony girl (or boy) is highly intriguing. The time involved alone, if one is going to attempt to become an 'elite', or someone(thing?) suitable for showing and/or competing is tremendous, and then there's the $ factor involved. I guess these two factors, time and money potentially required to take it to such a high level, leads to the 'exotic' adjective being used frequently to describe it. I don't live near any major metropolitan area...i can't even imagine having the opportunity to attend a high-class function where the ponies compete against each other...each one being put through their paces in order to be hopefully judged the best. That would surely be a mind-blowing event, and one I would not miss the opportunity should it present itself--ever.

As for the Wurtenburg wheel...also known as a neuro wheel, i got one from e-bay for $5 new. A word to the wise--make sure the wheel itself is well lubricated and can turn freely in the handle, otherwise you're liable to get scratched.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 1:50:32 PM

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Pony Play seems to be considered an exotic form of activity by many. At least this is my experience. Why is this? Or maybe I am wrong and have just talked to some who don't want much to do with it. I wanted this from my last Dominant, and he agreed it was interesting, but said it seemed "very involved", so we never did much of that. I certainly was not expressing a desire to live as a 24/7 pony, or even for a few hours a day - just to experiment with it to see more of what it's all about. I don't see what is that "involved" about it - anymore than some other things can be, or are, like suspension, or using a St. Andrews cross, for example. Can't people do it at the level they feel comfortable with, anyway? I get the impression many people just don't understand it - or that it is a form of Objectification. Some seem to think it has something to do with liking (or wanting to impersonate) horses in some weird, abnormal way - which is of course, not true (in my opinion)- at least there is much more to it than that, if it is true.

Others I hear say things like "It can be expensive", and yet these same folks will spend $300 on a flogger or get a Wartenburg wheel for their "playroom" without batting an eyelash. Is it really that exotic? - am I missing something? I just don't seem to see that many people who express an interest in it.

- Susan

To me and my neighbors in a northern temperate climate, palm trees are exotic. To a Palau Islander I expect that Maple trees are exotic.

Dictionary entries on this word talk about what is characteristic of a faraway place or what is unfamiliar to us.

Without asking anyone about particulars doesn't it just make sense that the perceived exoticness of this or anything else is a function of degree of familiarity?

It almost seems as though you are sweeping up a number of reactions to pony play under this talk about people finding it exotic.

It seems by your account that a lot of people see it as complicated and can't be bothered to fuss with a complicated (to them) thing which doesn't much excite them in the first place. I think that the word exotic might come up in some of these "can't frankly be arsed" discussions and not in others.

The "too expensive" perception (which you nicely refuted) also seems a separate things from "(too) exotic."

I think your explicit question is adequately dealt with by attending to the lexical definition, although certainly there is more that could be said. Other respondents seem to have addressed some of the various concerns swept up with the term Exotic.

For my part, the discussion suggests a related question: "Does one see exoticness (understood as perfectly subjective) generally as a positive or negative factor when considering a new kinky undertaking?"

In short: Do or don't you prefer things insofar as they seem exotic to you.

To bring this on topic for the current thread I'll ask the OP if this kind of play registers as exotic to her to any degree and if so does this enhance the appeal or rather are you interested in this subject despite any exoticness it might have?

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 2:00:12 PM

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Noah: Thanks for the reply. To answer your statement - I do think people both misunderstand and suffer from a general lack of much information about what it is, and can entail (or not), sometimes. This has been made evident to me once ot twice when I have asked people to describe their understanding of pony play, and found they have never really even viewed a website about it, much less engaged in that type of play.

I think also people can jump to a conclusion, at times, that to be interested in it means it is somehow going to require some huge investment in costumes, time spent at a pony farm somewhere, entering pony race competitions, attending pony aucitons, etc. Well, maybe it can (if one is really "into" it, I suppose, but then again, isn't that elective)? Can't people learn about it and enjoy it without dedicating half of their lives to it? I'd like to think they can.

Very good point about what is considered exotic.

As for me - exotic is attractive, 98% of the time. There are some things I could take or leave I guess (latex comes to mind) but that is probably a lack of familiairity and education, as you say. Frankly, I relish the idea if doing things I have not done before - I guess I am going through a phase or something (hope it lasts, if that is the case), because when I first became interested actively in D/s and bdsm in general, for the first year I took it very slowly. But, the more I read lately especially, about many types of things, the more things I note in my mind things I may (or definitely) want to try, somewhere down the road.

- Susan

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 2:04:20 PM

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Thanks for the reply, Doctor, I appreciate it. I do think appreciating pony play (or not) is partly a matter of taste, but there seems to be some ignorance out there, yes, about just what it is. I just think people jump to a conclusion about how much "work" this can be for them. Doe it never dawn on them that the level of "work" it can entail is entirely up to themselves? Thta they don't have to: 1) Enter pony races 2) Buy tons of "costumes" 3) Go to a horse farm to "practice" - etc. This, I guess could be general lack of information based on a lack of interest or maybe just lack of information (a chicken or the egg question there, I guess).

- Susan

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 2:20:55 PM

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Well now I gotta go look up pony play. Im sorry but all I imagine is some sort of monty Python skit with this.

If you have land like I do, why is it the thought of tromping around thru brush and bramble, stark nekked but with a horse hair tail stuck up my ass, leaving me somewhat less than enthusiastic? Do I buy knee pads at Lowes in the Garden dept.?

And branding. You're talking about branding! Neighhhh Nelly. Whoa girl. If this is the case Im going for the Wild Mustang look. Just try to round me up and corral me dammit. I want those real hooves to kick the crap out of anybody who'd dare come near me with that idea.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 2:23:06 PM

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You have never dealt with a real horse then lol cause they sure can do something about something they don't like. And horses do not blindly obey either, Which is clear in riding lessons when you want the horse to stop galloping and he won't stop and you fear he's going to jump the fence and you know in your heart you won't be able to hang on if he does.

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I guess I am attracted to being used as an animal that has absolutely no say so in what happens - that part is the biggest attraction deal for me. Ponies can't talk, and just do as they are directed. Also, the control seems more intense than with many other forms of activity (but since I've very little experience at it, I could be wrong about that. But - it seems that way).

- Susan

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 3:02:30 PM

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LOL Feline! I have only ridden real horses maybe a dozen times in my life (I enjoy it, I just dont' have one of my own, or live near a ranch or farm). But I do like them, and think they are wodnerful animals.

- Susan

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 3:03:05 PM

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From what I can see it wouldn't be all that expensive at all, again, depending your degree of being involved in it.
I would imagine that a few hundred dollars would get you going. But, I can also see how some people could spend tens of thousands of dollars on it too.

Sophia, LOL I don't think you'd be cut out for being a Pony!
I'd REALLY have to put the spurs to you!

Feline, I've ridden horses quite a bit when I lived up in New Hampshire and I'm a pretty decent rider but not an expert certainly and some of them do have a real stubborn streak in them and also the riding academy workers will "know" if a particular horse is having a bad day and won't rent them out that day. I've seen them pretty nasty too kicking their stalls and trying to bite people walking by!
That could happen with a Pony too and you'd really have to let your Pony know who was in control.
Here in Myrtle Beach you can ride horses on the beach from Oct to April and they take the horse trailors right down to certain sections of the beach, unload them, tack them up and you're off on your own for an hour or two! A lot of fun!

Noah, good post! I like reading your posts as well.
I like a little bit of "exotic" in my life.
I've been checking out some sites on this subject and it looks like something I'd definately be interested in! I find it very *erotic* as well as exotic! So far there doesn't seem to be many here who have a lot of experience in this area but I've already learned some things through this wonderfull thread of Susan's and through some of those sites I've been looking at all afternoon.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 3:11:41 PM

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popeye: You are open-minded and I am glad. Many don't seem to think this way - but it probably is due to a lack of information, perhpas. Or thinking it's gping to be some huge investment of time and money that would thus maybe restrict other types of bdsm activity for them.

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 3:14:31 PM

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Nurse Kitty, yes, it is facinating, isn't it!
And YES, I'd pay "good money" to see one of those High Class Pony shows!
With all the costumes, pony carts, competitions etc that would be AWESOME!

Susan, "branding with a hot iron?" Do you mean like a real brand? A permanant mark?

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RE: Why is pony play considered so exotic by many? - 7/28/2006 3:22:25 PM

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peopeye: Re: Branding. Yes, that's what I mean.

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