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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 5:55:38 PM   
wild1cfl


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Status: offline 		I agree with you there Popeye, Susan always has interesting and thought provoking threads. I also have come to enjoy her postings.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 8:00:12 PM   
SusanofO


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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 8:35:10 PM   
popeye1250


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Susan, we really do enjoy your most interesting posts!
You really put your heart into them and that's what makes them so nice!
Thankyou, Tom

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 8:54:06 PM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		I try to respond to posts and ideas in them, rather than posters ...but admit that certain points of view strike me as far too cynical, to be close to useful. Especially nerve touching, is continually pointing out problems and assigning blame, wiithout ever suggesting any possible solutions. It strikes me as a grand waste of time ... as if we can't all see the fucking problem for what it is. The only reason to discuss a problem, is to discuss a solution. All else is word masterbation. It's never anything personal though ... (well, masterbation is pretty personal).
 
Then again, I dislike my own posts now, much more than I used to before ... or something like that.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 9:03:18 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		I agree with what you just said. And. I've always loved your posts, caitlyn.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 9:13:24 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"The only reason to discuss a problem, is to discuss a solution. All else is word masterbation."

Very good, and quite astute.

T

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 10:26:56 PM   
IronBear


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"The only reason to discuss a problem, is to discuss a solution. All else is word masterbation."

Very good, and quite astute.

T


But first you need to:
  1. Define what the problem is that you want to solve
  2. Define the limitations of what solutions may encompass
  3. Define who should carry out the final solution
Then you can discuss the possible solutions.. Seems that several commitees are needed here..



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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 11:21:55 PM   
Dauric


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Status: offline 		Perceptions of people change, but the people themselves may be changing. Forums are not just us putting our thoughts in text, but people's responses to those thoughts and opinions. Arguments ensue, some agree to disagree, some have their viewpoints changed.

That's what I find so facinating and wonderful about these things.

But that's just my $0.02,

Dauric.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 11:30:15 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I try to avoid making judgments about users in the forums because you only get to see a tiny glimpse of who the person is in real life.  Some people who say interesting things might really be assholes.  Some people who say things I could just as easily have ignored might really be very caring and devoted people.  I don't find there's anyone I ALWAYS agree with, so, yes, sometimes I'm surprised to see it when someone I thought I might have a lot in common with goes ahead and says something I absolutely can't accept--but hell, that's what the forums are for.

Edited to add: That reminds me.  At first I thought IronBear was an arrogant prick and a Gorean dumbass.  Now I think he's the Gorean whose opinion I respect the most.  (Still probably an arrogant prick though ...  I can say that because he's all the way in fucking Australia and my bones are younger anyway.) 

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/30/2006 11:54:48 PM   
Noah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

The only reason to discuss a problem, is to discuss a solution. All else is word masterbation. It's never anything personal though ... (well, masterbation is pretty personal).



Well let's see. A friend's mother died last week. This was problematic for my friend. We couldn't "solve" her mother's death and we certainly didn't say a word about how to solve my friend's grief. Still I really didn't think that either she or I was masturbating as I listened to her thoughts and feelings about her problem, and shared a few thoughts and feelings of my own.

In many sorts of cases we can and should discuss problems in all the non-solution-oriented ways IB listed if we'd like our eventual solution efforts to be as effective as they can be. Jerking off, you say?

Moreover, you can discuss a problem simply to express solidarity, or sympathy. I don't see either of these as masturbation necessarily, expecially insofar as they are sincere. Should a person with an incurable disease just never say a word about it to anyone? If he does open up will this make him a wanker?

An awful lot of education can be described as discussing problems which have already been resolved or else found unresolvable (think Goedel.) I don't see this as a uniform waste of time though God knows some of it is.

C'mon caitlyn.

What's your problem?

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 12:01:12 AM   
Kedikat


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Status: offline 		I find there are many folks who you might disagree with 90% of the time, but sometimes find common ground. Some who may have good things to say, but say it in irritating ways. Sometimes I find interesting information provided by someone I completely disagree with, but they are at least using some good facts.

And there are lots of very nice folks who are just plain wrong In my opinion of course

I can look back through my posts and find some that make me look like a real prick. Heat of the moment, hot button.

Always some interesting stuff here.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 6:08:55 AM   
philosophy


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Status: offline 		i admire quite a few people here whose opinions i dislike.........what i am attracted to is honesty, clarity and an ability to listen to the opposing view. Qualities i suspect i  need to work on.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 6:53:02 AM   
RavenMuse


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Status: offline 		The biggest single change in my perception has been KoM. Initialy I really didn't take to his sytle of posting and didn't form the greatest of opinions of him.

Then I started noticing his lovely girls.... always believed that a strong, well adjusted girl said good things about their Master and started looking a little deeper at KoM's posting, getting past the WAY he posted to WHAT he was saying..... we agree far more often than I thought, we simply phrase things in a diffrent manner. Still wouldn't say I'd choose to go for a drink with the guy, but I've started to respect him as a fellow Dom and as a poster here too. He does talk/post a lot of sense.


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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 6:56:33 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		I think you know what I mean Noah ... and I did say "continually" discussing a problem and assigning blame, without ever suggesting any possible solution. I mean, do we really need to hear yet again:
 
People don't respond to posts.
President Bush shouldn't have gone to Iraq.
Topping from the bottom ... bad.
The blame in the Middle East should go to (insert nation of choice).
Feminism destroys men.
Gas is expensive.
Liberals suck.
Conservatives suck.
America sucks.
etc, etc, etc ...

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 7:34:53 AM   
cloudboy


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Changing perceptions...hmmmm

At first I was detractor of LA, but another CM member boosted her to me. Shortly after that I met her for dinner and had a very positive experience. With a real impression of her in hand, I began to read her posts in an entirely new light.

On the other hand one poster here had my immediate respect, but lost it.

In general, I really like to develop a sense for who is posting behind the posts. (I'm not always good at it.) I suppose that makes me the anti-caitlyn.

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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 7/31/2006 10:25:26 AM   
Noah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I think you know what I mean Noah ... and I did say "continually" discussing a problem and assigning blame, without ever suggesting any possible solution. I mean, do we really need to hear yet again:
 
People don't respond to posts.
President Bush shouldn't have gone to Iraq.
Topping from the bottom ... bad.
The blame in the Middle East should go to (insert nation of choice).
Feminism destroys men.
Gas is expensive.
Liberals suck.
Conservatives suck.
America sucks.
etc, etc, etc ...


Well I didn't know that your simple categorical statement was packing all of that. Thank you for taking the time to explain.







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RE: Changing perceptions of other posters - 8/1/2006 7:13:14 AM   
caitlyn


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Noah
Well I didn't know that your simple categorical statement was packing all of that. Thank you for taking the time to explain.


No worries ... that tends to happen when someone takes a single line out of a thread with a larger meaning, in order to make a point. It usually ends up inventing a meaning or categorical statement, that was clearly never part of the original intent.

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