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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 8:57:00 PM   
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Does it matter? Perhaps there would be several. And you could choose which one you wanted to participate in.

OK, that was hot. I need fresh panties now


Yeah... you're rubbing off on me lately. I am starting to see things with a more open mind. Perhaps it was the eclipse. ; )


Awwwwwww


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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 8:57:25 PM   
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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 9:01:45 PM   
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Nope. Think deeper.
Read Winstanley's Common Treasury



Will look for it, or the cliff notes version.
Thanks


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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 9:03:36 PM   
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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 9:04:44 PM   
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Here: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/winstanley/1649/levellers-standard.htm



Thank you!
This information from the lecture is intriguing.
I just started reading this, but I can say this so far.
We live in such a close minded society, many can't accept or handle these idea's.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 9:06:00 PM   
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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/24/2017 10:42:58 PM   
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What does welcoming refugees have to do with illegal immigration?
Not that this will ever register, but most people who take exception to Trump's plans aren't denying that illegal immigration causes problems.

I agree, most people aren't denying illegal immigration causes problems. There are some who would rather we have open borders, thus making it damn near impossible to be illegal, not that that would solve anything. People on these boards who are opposed to illegal immigration have been labeled as racists and anti-immigrant. One can oppose illegal immigration, and not be a racist, and also not be anti-immigrant, as long as it's off these boards. Since Trudeau has not "outed" himself as opposing illegal immigration, it's now obvious that he's a racist and anti-immigrant.
Which of Trump's plans are you referring to, HB? The "Wall?" The "Travel Ban?"

I'm sorry. You haven't been to California much have you?


Never, actually. However, California does not house most of the people in the US, and I would doubt that all of the people in Cali would deny that illegal immigration causes problems.


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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 9:12:21 AM   
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Because they are fuckwit.

Ahh, a Marxist.

Now I understand.

Ideology over reality.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 9:33:16 AM   
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What does welcoming refugees have to do with illegal immigration?
Not that this will ever register, but most people who take exception to Trump's plans aren't denying that illegal immigration causes problems.

I agree, most people aren't denying illegal immigration causes problems. There are some who would rather we have open borders, thus making it damn near impossible to be illegal, not that that would solve anything. People on these boards who are opposed to illegal immigration have been labeled as racists and anti-immigrant. One can oppose illegal immigration, and not be a racist, and also not be anti-immigrant, as long as it's off these boards. Since Trudeau has not "outed" himself as opposing illegal immigration, it's now obvious that he's a racist and anti-immigrant.
Which of Trump's plans are you referring to, HB? The "Wall?" The "Travel Ban?"

I'm sorry. You haven't been to California much have you?


Never, actually. However, California does not house most of the people in the US, and I would doubt that all of the people in Cali would deny that illegal immigration causes problems.


I would agree with you, that's why I used a limited scope. However, if you look at sanctuary cities, sanctuary school, and other sanctuary organization, I see at least, a large group of people with a lot of power who do hold the view that illigal immigration does not cause problems. I've seen arguments for years here that deny any rational discussion of the issue.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 10:03:26 AM   
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Here: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/winstanley/1649/levellers-standard.htm

He sets up the argument rather well. Beautifully in fact. However the conclusions leave a lot to be desired in my mind. For instance this is my example. I bought land. It's way out in the mountains away from others because that is what I could afford. It's so far out that I live off grid. I myself know I hold the land temporarily as it will be here long after I'm gone. I toil on the land and supplement my life with the fruits of that toil. I hire help. I pay reasonably. I am not a landlord. People I hire may come and go as they please. Yet, they may not come and share equally with me just because they show up and toil. If, for instance, they milk goats, make cheese, or sell cheese, they do not deserve an equal share, they deserve a fair share for their labor only. I toiled toward a goal of owning this land for a couple of decades. Should my products from this land find no market, it's I that suffer that loss. I still owe for the labor. I still am responsible for every thing to my end users. If a laborer contaminates a batch of cheese and sickens an end user, I am held accountable, not the laborer. That is the reality. To me, it's a fair reality. I don't see moving away from the A-dam (using the treatise terminology) happening in the time I am the custodian of this land. I therefore choose to live in that reality. Should someone come to me and insist I change to a Marxist/communist community, they may do so if they have the force to inflict the change. But, in the style of the author, the right of that someone will not be right until the second coming. And it doesn't matter how beautifully they state their ideology it is not a right in reality.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 10:21:00 AM   
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I don't know whether economic systems need necessarily be bound to physical geography anymore.



There is a lot more than just economic systems involved. Many places are fighting cells of Muslim fundamentalists, for example. There are hot wars in many locations involving such terrorists, and the atrocities they commit can be horrific (which is why they call what they do "terrorism"). There are also a lot of seriously violent gangs trying to come in from down south...

We need borders for that reason alone, we really need to control who comes here

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 11:17:35 AM   
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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 11:30:09 AM   
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I would agree with you, that's why I used a limited scope. However, if you look at sanctuary cities, sanctuary school, and other sanctuary organization, I see at least, a large group of people with a lot of power who do hold the view that illigal immigration does not cause problems. I've seen arguments for years here that deny any rational discussion of the issue.


We agree there are a lot of Californians, and Californians in positions of power, that would disagree that illegal immigration causes or is causing problems.


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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 1:21:10 PM   
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How can a person be a Democrat, and say with a straight face that they believe in border security? Or even borders at all.

There's nothing "liberal" about them - they're leftists:

The Democratic Party approach, such as it is, is anything but balanced. In the party's 2016 platform, immigration enforcement is at best an afterthought. The platform emphasizes a path to citizenship, reuniting families and ensuring that as few current immigrants as possible are removed from the country.Mar 16, 2017

The Democrats' stance on immigration will lead to electoral disaster ...
www.latimes.com/...ed/la-oe-olsen-democrat-immigration-strategy-20170316-story.html

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 3:08:10 PM   
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Does it matter? Perhaps there would be several. And you could choose which one you wanted to participate in.

OK, that was hot. I need fresh panties now


Yeah... you're rubbing off on me lately. I am starting to see things with a more open mind. Perhaps it was the eclipse. ; )

Welcome comrade. :)

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 3:10:11 PM   
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Ahh, a Marxist.

Not in the least, in fact I am very much an anti-Marxist, but you don't know what being a Marxist entails, so I forgive you your Yankish ignorance.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 3:13:03 PM   
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However the conclusions leave a lot to be desired in my mind.

Well, duh. We all knew that before I posted it.

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 3:15:21 PM   
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How can a person be a Democrat, and say with a straight face that they believe in border security? Or even borders at all.

Because Democrats are right of centre. A better question is how can a person be a Libertarian and believe in borders?

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 4:51:56 PM   
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How can a person be a Democrat, and say with a straight face that they believe in border security? Or even borders at all.

Because Democrats are right of centre. A better question is how can a person be a Libertarian and believe in borders?

How can a person be sane and not believe in borders?

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RE: Some humor to lighten things up - 8/25/2017 5:02:25 PM   
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http://www.fairus.org/issue/the-il-logic-of-open-border-libertarians

http://libertyhangout.org/2016/12/open-borders-are-not-libertarian-theyre-communist/

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/bionic-mosquito/open-borders-anti-libertarian/

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