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Marini -> RE: Police shoot and kill woman threatening suicide. (8/27/2017 10:58:45 AM)
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ORIGINAL: igor2003
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"Suicide by cops" seems to be a growing trend. If she was armed and refused to put down her weapon, then they would of course have just cause to shoot. If she was truly suicidal, that would certainly be a quick, "not really suicide" way to go.
Justified to shoot her in her own home, how is that? Why are they even in there? Again I know we’re dealing with a hypothetical situation so in theory a discussion only, and those of you who think policeman can do absolutely no wrong should not get your knickers in an uproar.
Because we all know there have never been any dishonest cops and we have never heard of policemen who mistreat people. Heaven forbid that should ever happen! [8|]
They were there because she was threatening suicide. It may not be but odds are that when they went in to check her she pointed her gun at them.
Just my own opinion, but . . . Here you have an army veteran sitting inside her own apartment threatening suicide. I don't know who reported her suicide threat to police, but it was probably someone that knew her, and so knew she had a firearm. Apparently no one heard a shot before SWAT entered, so I'm not sure the "checking to see if she was okay" excuse to enter is valid. To make entry, SWAT breaks out a window AND PART OF A WALL. Definitely not a stealth entry, so most likely after the noise of the breech they went in yelling and making a lot of noise. Now, if I'm an army trained veteran, sitting in my own home, mental issues or not, and someone breaks out a wall and comes in yelling and screaming, I AM probably going to point my weapon at them, which gives SWAT the excuse they need to shoot.
Sadly, all too often, when someone with mental issues is reported and officials are asked for help, their "help" is to kill the person in need. Not saying they shouldn't defend themselves, but the entire country needs to find better ways to "help" the people in need. This was NOT a proud way to treat one of our veterans . . . or anyone else in need.
https://www.local10.com/news/florida/broward/police-officers-kill-us-army-war-veteran-with-mental-health-issues
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Sadly, I had a close family member with drug related/marijuana psychosis last year.
The majority of the time, the LAST thing we wanted was to get the police involved, especially if we were not there.
He lived out of state and we could not get in touch with him and we ended up asking the police to do a welfare check, and I can't tell you the anxiety/and fear in my heart, thankfully he did not have a weapon and did not appear threatening.
After that, we intervened and his father took him to a psychiatric facility twice, and was present while he was voluntarily committed.
There is a lot more to this, and it was emotionally challenging, but we did not have to involve the police again.
My biggest fear, was when he was outside ranting and raving, that someone would call the police and they would shoot him.
Thankfully, he has had a lot of inpatient and outpatient treatment, and is doing well now.
*I also want to add he had a "village" of close family members to assist and support him/and many do not have this.*
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Tough call, I just don't think I would call the police on a suicidal family member, unless we were sitting next to the person.
We handled the majority of this situation, without police involvement, and it was not inexpensive nor easy.
I hate to say this, but if I could not get a qualified/trusted psychiatric professional involved, unless the person was at risk of hurting another person, in many situations, I probably would not call the police.
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