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BamaD -> Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:14:57 AM)

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters





Hillwilliam -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:16:38 AM)

Could you please redo the link Bama? Doesn't work.

thanx




Danemora -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:21:09 AM)

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html




Hillwilliam -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:24:07 AM)

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:24:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Could you please redo the link Bama? Doesn't work.

thanx

That should work better, and I see there is already another link up.




Musicmystery -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:48:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters



Who told you antifa was peaceful? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that.

They are a group set up to strongly oppose a hate group. They aren't looking for a peace. Were you confused about that?




Musicmystery -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:50:16 AM)

Double post




Musicmystery -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:52:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?




tamaka -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:53:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters



Who told you antifa was peaceful? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that.

They are a group set up to strongly oppose a hate group. They aren't looking for a peace. Were you confused about that?


They hate the haters...lol




Hillwilliam -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:54:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful and World War II?

I forgot to add earlier that they arose in the mid 1930's. A very old group. It's strange that all of a sudden we have few people apoplectic over them like they're brand new or something. isn't it ironic that the same group that fought alongside our grandfathers to rid the world of a great evil is now called 'leftist' by certain people for basically fighting the same thing?




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 11:56:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html

LA Times wouldn't let me read the article without a subscription. I saw the headline,paraphrased, "Violence by far left Antifa sparks concern".

Ya, concern has finally been sparked. It didn't take too long or too much evidence did it? Or,maybe it's that the LAT's now has a new publisher. Perhaps he's a little more balanced. We'll see I guess.




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:02:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters



Who told you antifa was peaceful? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that.

They are a group set up to strongly oppose a hate group. They aren't looking for a peace. Were you confused about that?

Antifa started when the communists split with the National Socialists in Germany in the '30s. They went with Stalin. You sound as if you're justifying their violence now? Is that your intent, or am I reading your tone incorrectly.

I should say that these Antifa in the U.S. are made up of people that were mainly part of the rioters against the 1%ers that the left all praised during the presidential campaign. I'd have to look, but I believe Pelosi called them grass roots. I wonder what hate they were hating then?




Aylee -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:06:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html

LA Times wouldn't let me read the article without a subscription. I saw the headline,paraphrased, "Violence by far left Antifa sparks concern".

Ya, concern has finally been sparked. It didn't take too long or too much evidence did it? Or,maybe it's that the LAT's now has a new publisher. Perhaps he's a little more balanced. We'll see I guess.


Maybe another reported has been attacked?




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:09:29 PM)

The
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters



Who told you antifa was peaceful? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that.

They are a group set up to strongly oppose a hate group. They aren't looking for a peace. Were you confused about that?

Antifa started when the communists split with the National Socialists in Germany in the '30s. They went with Stalin. You sound as if you're justifying their violence now? Is that your intent, or am I reading your tone incorrectly.

I should say that these Antifa in the U.S. are made up of people that were mainly part of the rioters against the 1%ers that the left all praised during the presidential campaign. I'd have to look, but I believe Pelosi called them grass roots. I wonder what hate they were hating then?

Here you go, Pelosi blessing Occupy Wall Street.

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/10/pelosi-god-bless-protesters-065368

From a left wing source so the lefties can follow it without burning up.

For the last week or so, Pelosi has been working very hard with the mayor of San Francisco to vilify the right wing group that wanted to hold a rally at Crissy Field. The right wing organizer denies he's a white supremacist or a hate group, but since it's right wing Pelosi just couldn't allow them free speech in San Francisco. The organizer called the thing off rather than spark violence. This may be remnants of Pelosi's work.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:10:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters



Who told you antifa was peaceful? I've never heard anyone anywhere say that.

They are a group set up to strongly oppose a hate group. They aren't looking for a peace. Were you confused about that?

Funny implying they were violent last week made me a Nazi according to you and others.




BoscoX -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:12:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html


They attack these groups, and then we are supposed to feel sorry for them when someone gets angry and fights back then one of them gets hurt or killed

They use bats and poles with nails in them. They launch balloons with urine and feces and acid and other noxious agents at not only peaceful demonstrators but also at the police

They put explosive devices in wine bottles and throw them into crowds, subjecting demonstrators to explosions of glass shards

They should be designated a terrorist organization and locked up for conspiring to violate civil rights




Danemora -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:12:56 PM)

Title of the article was "Violence by far-left protesters in Berkeley sparks alarm"

Ill copy/paste the body of the article:

"Thusands of demonstrators carrying signs with slogans like “Stand Against Hate” descended on Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Park on Sunday for what many hoped would be a peaceful march against bigotry andPresident Trump.

But it was soon punctuated by tear gas and a scattering of violent skirmishes. Some anti-fascist protesters, wearing black and with their faces covered, chased or beat Trump supporters and organizers who had scheduled and then canceled the “anti-Marxist” rally, citing concerns over safety

Police, and in some cases other counter-protesters, stepped in to halt the violence or escort the victims away from the area. Officers reported 14 arrests, many of them for violations of the city’s emergency rules banning masks, sticks and potential weapons inside the demonstration area.

The clashes came despite widespread calls from activists and elected officials across the Bay Area for peaceful civil disobedience and underscore Berkeley’s growing reputation for violent reaction by the far left. Other protests earlier this year in the city turned ugly, with far-left and far-right forces fighting in the streets.

Some in Berkeley worried that Sunday’s chaos, captured on video and quickly disseminated through social media, would provide unwanted ammunition to Trump and his supporters.

“We can’t keep producing this audio-visual propaganda,” said Andrew Noruk, a counter-protester who denounced the fights. “It is recruiting for the right.”

The incidents came a day after a series of mostly peaceful activities in San Francisco, where demonstrators also marched in response to a planned far-right rally near the Golden Gate Bridge. Counter-protesters there boasted that they had shown that far-right groups, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists, were not welcome. Police reported one arrest, for public intoxication.

In Berkeley, the demonstration of more than 4,000 people pulled heavily from area labor unions, church groups and liberal activists — but also scores of young people clad in all black, some carrying shields and others with bandannas pulled over their faces.

Those activists are sometimes referred to as “antifa,” a name taken by anti-fascist organizations formed to oppose white nationalists. They are known for their “punch a Nazi” bent.

The counter-demonstrators were in the city to protest the “Say No to Marxism in America” rally, police said. Several who were expected to speak at the event have been linked to white nationalist sentiments or violence in the past.

Kyle Chapman, the far-right activist known as “Based Stickman” who gained fame for his role in previous Berkeley brawls, had been listed among speakers for the canceled event, but was not seen. On Friday, during a hearing on a pending felony weapons charge related to a prior rally, a judge ordered Chapman to stay away from Sunday’s demonstration.

Other planned attendees included Augustus Invictus, a Florida-based white supremacist who attended a torch-lit rally in Charlottesville, Va., according to the Anti-Defamation League. Invictus was not seen Sunday either.

One far-right figure who did show up was Johnny Benitez, the alias of an Orange County resident who organized an “America First” rally in Laguna Beach. Protesters got into shoving matches after he appeared, with some screaming “Go home, Nazi.”

Police tried to escort him and Irma Hinojosa, a member of the Southern California group Latinos for Trump, through the crowd and out of the park.

Before the day had ended, Benitez wrote on Twitter that anti-fascists should be designated as “terrorists.”

“If the federal government doesn’t move to expose these terrorists the patriots of this country need to prepare for war,” he tweeted.

Benitez was not the only right-wing activist hurried away from scene. Counter-protesters clad in black pounced when Joey Gibson, founder of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, showed up in the park. Masked protesters began pepper spraying people and used their shields to hit people who appeared to be with Gibson.

Gibson, who was behind Saturday’s aborted rally in San Francisco, was handcuffed and escorted away by police. Assistant Chief Jim Libby of the California Highway Patrol’s Golden Gate Division later described the officers’ action as a “rescue.”

Anti-fascist protesters also beat one person wearing an American flag. Some threatened to break the cameras of anyone who filmed them, including journalists. Others set off purple smoke bombs.

One counter-protester, in tears, said she worried that Sunday’s event would be tied to violence. Another, who helped break up a fight, was upset over the altercations.

“We need to get antifa out of here,” said Jack Harris, 20, of San Francisco.

Joanna Mendelson, senior investigative researcher with the Anti-Defamation League, watched footage of Sunday’s confrontations and said she drew a “sharp comparison” between the two weekend events. San Francisco provided a proud example of “a community response to objectionable speech,” she said in an email to The Times.

“Today’s story should have only been about the voices of tolerance overpowering those marred by bigotry,” she said. “Instead, any violent response, even if perpetrated by a small number, undermines their entire effort to counter the narrative.”

Others strongly disputed the idea that anti-fascist marchers were initiating violence. Kitty Stryker, a member of counter-protesters known as Struggalo Circus, said she provided medical aid to someone who had been pepper sprayed by a far-right activist.

Stryker said she broke up a fight between a Trump supporter and another demonstrator — and was almost punched in the face. And she argued that counter-protesters shut down the far-right demonstrations with overwhelming numbers, not violence.

“I think that has to do with having strong numbers and solidarity,” she added.

Berkeley has been home to a number of clashes between political opponents this year. Violent protests on the UC Berkeley campus shut down an appearance by Milo Yiannopoulos in February, and subsequent demonstrations in support of Trump collapsed into roving street fights.

In the days leading up to Sunday’s event, Berkeley officials had laid plans for stronger crowd control in the wake of a violent clashes between white supremacists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, where demonstrators on each side complained of lax law enforcement.

Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal, was killed while protesting against the white supremacist rally.

Berkeley officials prohibited the carrying of weapons, sticks, projectiles and even soda cans in the demonstration area. Officer Jennifer Coats, spokeswoman for the Berkeley Police Department, said 500 officers were on the scene for Sunday’s demonstrations.

When protesters and counter-protesters arrived, they encountered a series of dump trucks lined up to form a barricade, an effort aimed at keeping a car from heading into a crowd. Marchers encountered concrete barriers at the park.

After the march, Berkeley resident Nancy Kerr said she viewed the protest as a success. Kerr, 33, said she was not afraid of the masked “black bloc” marchers, arguing that they had a “role to play in protecting protesters.”

Still, she and her husband, 34-year-old Kyle Sessions, expressed mixed feelings about some of the incidents that occurred.

“The violence worries me because it puts the police more on edge,” Sessions said. “They’re more likely to respond more forcefully with violence of their own.”

The violence raises the stakes for two upcoming visits to UC Berkeley by outspoken conservatives.

Milo Yiannopoulos has announced plans to return next month to spend days in a “tent city” in Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza. Conservative author and columnist Ben Shapiro is scheduled to visit Sept. 14.

~ End of article




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:13:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html

LA Times wouldn't let me read the article without a subscription. I saw the headline,paraphrased, "Violence by far left Antifa sparks concern".

Ya, concern has finally been sparked. It didn't take too long or too much evidence did it? Or,maybe it's that the LAT's now has a new publisher. Perhaps he's a little more balanced. We'll see I guess.


Maybe another reported has been attacked?

One source I saw tweeted that they were surrounding journalists chanting, "take his camera take his phone."




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:14:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?

They are as bad as the Nazis. This attack wasn't against Nazis just people they disagreed with.
Like you everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. Sounds like the way Nazis think.




BoscoX -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:15:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?

They are as bad as the Nazis. This attack wasn't against Nazis just people they disagreed with.
Like you everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. Sounds like the way Nazis think.


Marxists have slaughtered far more innocents than Nazis ever will

That Communists fought their kissing cousins, the Nazis, doesn't make them good people




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