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Danemora -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:16:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html


They attack these groups, and then we are supposed to feel sorry for them when someone gets angry and fights back then one of them gets hurt or killed

They use bats and poles with nails in them. They launch balloons with urine and feces and acid and other noxious agents at not only peaceful demonstrators but also at the police

They put explosive devices in wine bottles and throw them into crowds, pelting demonstrators with explosions of glass shards

They should be designated a terrorist organization and locked up for conspiring to violation civil rights



Please note that I read the article before I posted, so I know its being reported that the Antifa/anarchists (article used both terms) were attacking Trump supporters. And I said that the violence is unacceptable because it absolutely is unacceptable in my humble opinion. I said nothing about feeling sorry for them. I dont. They were flat out abso-fucking-lutely WRONG!

Im speaking of Berkeley only. No other city or violent incident. Just Berkeley

As for the terrorist designation, I dont know which department would determine that....but this group as a whole should be investigated for sure. I imagine it would be similar to perhaps investigating eco-terrorist groups maybe. If they can figure out the names of the players to begin investigating, by all means Im totally for it. Im assuming the FBI does this?




Musicmystery -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:16:56 PM)


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Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?

They are as bad as the Nazis. This attack wasn't against Nazis just people they disagreed with.
Like you everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. Sounds like the way Nazis think.

If you're just going to make up my thoughts for me, have this discussion in your head instead of publicly.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:21:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?

They are as bad as the Nazis. This attack wasn't against Nazis just people they disagreed with.
Like you everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. Sounds like the way Nazis think.

If you're just going to make up my thoughts for me, have this discussion in your head instead of publicly.

It is a shame you took that personally, I didn't say you think like the Nazis, I say antifa did, you aren't a spokesman for antifa are you.




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:23:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Title of the article was "Violence by far-left protesters in Berkeley sparks alarm"

Ill copy/paste the body of the article:

"Thusands of demonstrators carrying signs with slogans like “Stand Against Hate” descended on Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Park on Sunday for what many hoped would be a peaceful march against bigotry andPresident Trump.

But it was soon punctuated by tear gas and a scattering of violent skirmishes. Some anti-fascist protesters, wearing black and with their faces covered, chased or beat Trump supporters and organizers who had scheduled and then canceled the “anti-Marxist” rally, citing concerns over safety

Police, and in some cases other counter-protesters, stepped in to halt the violence or escort the victims away from the area. Officers reported 14 arrests, many of them for violations of the city’s emergency rules banning masks, sticks and potential weapons inside the demonstration area.

The clashes came despite widespread calls from activists and elected officials across the Bay Area for peaceful civil disobedience and underscore Berkeley’s growing reputation for violent reaction by the far left. Other protests earlier this year in the city turned ugly, with far-left and far-right forces fighting in the streets.

Some in Berkeley worried that Sunday’s chaos, captured on video and quickly disseminated through social media, would provide unwanted ammunition to Trump and his supporters.

“We can’t keep producing this audio-visual propaganda,” said Andrew Noruk, a counter-protester who denounced the fights. “It is recruiting for the right.”

The incidents came a day after a series of mostly peaceful activities in San Francisco, where demonstrators also marched in response to a planned far-right rally near the Golden Gate Bridge. Counter-protesters there boasted that they had shown that far-right groups, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists, were not welcome. Police reported one arrest, for public intoxication.

In Berkeley, the demonstration of more than 4,000 people pulled heavily from area labor unions, church groups and liberal activists — but also scores of young people clad in all black, some carrying shields and others with bandannas pulled over their faces.

Those activists are sometimes referred to as “antifa,” a name taken by anti-fascist organizations formed to oppose white nationalists. They are known for their “punch a Nazi” bent.

The counter-demonstrators were in the city to protest the “Say No to Marxism in America” rally, police said. Several who were expected to speak at the event have been linked to white nationalist sentiments or violence in the past.

Kyle Chapman, the far-right activist known as “Based Stickman” who gained fame for his role in previous Berkeley brawls, had been listed among speakers for the canceled event, but was not seen. On Friday, during a hearing on a pending felony weapons charge related to a prior rally, a judge ordered Chapman to stay away from Sunday’s demonstration.

Other planned attendees included Augustus Invictus, a Florida-based white supremacist who attended a torch-lit rally in Charlottesville, Va., according to the Anti-Defamation League. Invictus was not seen Sunday either.

One far-right figure who did show up was Johnny Benitez, the alias of an Orange County resident who organized an “America First” rally in Laguna Beach. Protesters got into shoving matches after he appeared, with some screaming “Go home, Nazi.”

Police tried to escort him and Irma Hinojosa, a member of the Southern California group Latinos for Trump, through the crowd and out of the park.

Before the day had ended, Benitez wrote on Twitter that anti-fascists should be designated as “terrorists.”

“If the federal government doesn’t move to expose these terrorists the patriots of this country need to prepare for war,” he tweeted.

Benitez was not the only right-wing activist hurried away from scene. Counter-protesters clad in black pounced when Joey Gibson, founder of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, showed up in the park. Masked protesters began pepper spraying people and used their shields to hit people who appeared to be with Gibson.

Gibson, who was behind Saturday’s aborted rally in San Francisco, was handcuffed and escorted away by police. Assistant Chief Jim Libby of the California Highway Patrol’s Golden Gate Division later described the officers’ action as a “rescue.”

Anti-fascist protesters also beat one person wearing an American flag. Some threatened to break the cameras of anyone who filmed them, including journalists. Others set off purple smoke bombs.

One counter-protester, in tears, said she worried that Sunday’s event would be tied to violence. Another, who helped break up a fight, was upset over the altercations.

“We need to get antifa out of here,” said Jack Harris, 20, of San Francisco.

Joanna Mendelson, senior investigative researcher with the Anti-Defamation League, watched footage of Sunday’s confrontations and said she drew a “sharp comparison” between the two weekend events. San Francisco provided a proud example of “a community response to objectionable speech,” she said in an email to The Times.

“Today’s story should have only been about the voices of tolerance overpowering those marred by bigotry,” she said. “Instead, any violent response, even if perpetrated by a small number, undermines their entire effort to counter the narrative.”

Others strongly disputed the idea that anti-fascist marchers were initiating violence. Kitty Stryker, a member of counter-protesters known as Struggalo Circus, said she provided medical aid to someone who had been pepper sprayed by a far-right activist.
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Thanks for posting it. The article seems much more balanced and much more news, as opposed to op ed, than I've seen from LAT's. Could be the new publisher.

I hadn't seen that white racists were going to show up in San Francisco before this article. Shame that they would.

Edited to trim article already posted.




Danemora -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:25:57 PM)

I was surprised at the balance of the article as well. And you are welcome...Im glad to have been able to do it.

I have a friend in Pacifica who was protesting on Saturday (I think). It seems like the Bay Area has been a hotbed this last week




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:29:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html


They attack these groups, and then we are supposed to feel sorry for them when someone gets angry and fights back then one of them gets hurt or killed

They use bats and poles with nails in them. They launch balloons with urine and feces and acid and other noxious agents at not only peaceful demonstrators but also at the police

They put explosive devices in wine bottles and throw them into crowds, pelting demonstrators with explosions of glass shards

They should be designated a terrorist organization and locked up for conspiring to violation civil rights



Please note that I read the article before I posted, so I know its being reported that the Antifa/anarchists (article used both terms) were attacking Trump supporters. And I said that the violence is unacceptable because it absolutely is unacceptable in my humble opinion. I said nothing about feeling sorry for them. I dont. They were flat out abso-fucking-lutely WRONG!

Im speaking of Berkeley only. No other city or violent incident. Just Berkeley

As for the terrorist designation, I dont know which department would determine that....but this group as a whole should be investigated for sure. If they can figure out the names of the players to begin investigating. Im assuming the FBI does this?


The Justice department recently pulled a search warrant for the server that hosts the Antifa group. It's estimated they'll get a list of 1.3 million users that went to the site including names, addresses and other personal information. That's a tad scary to me. I'm sure a lot of people that went to the site were just curious and are now on the DOJ list. I do hope they have methodology for winnowing the curious from the activists.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:33:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

From the L.A. Times...hopefully I can get the link to appear right. Sounds like it was pretty chaotic and the violence is absolutely unacceptable. The Bay Area has been fired up recently. I know there were protests yesterday further in towards Frisco I believe from what I gathered.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-berkeley-protests-20170827-story,amp.html


They attack these groups, and then we are supposed to feel sorry for them when someone gets angry and fights back then one of them gets hurt or killed

They use bats and poles with nails in them. They launch balloons with urine and feces and acid and other noxious agents at not only peaceful demonstrators but also at the police

They put explosive devices in wine bottles and throw them into crowds, pelting demonstrators with explosions of glass shards

They should be designated a terrorist organization and locked up for conspiring to violation civil rights



Please note that I read the article before I posted, so I know its being reported that the Antifa/anarchists (article used both terms) were attacking Trump supporters. And I said that the violence is unacceptable because it absolutely is unacceptable in my humble opinion. I said nothing about feeling sorry for them. I dont. They were flat out abso-fucking-lutely WRONG!

Im speaking of Berkeley only. No other city or violent incident. Just Berkeley

As for the terrorist designation, I dont know which department would determine that....but this group as a whole should be investigated for sure. If they can figure out the names of the players to begin investigating. Im assuming the FBI does this?


The Justice department recently pulled a search warrant for the server that hosts the Antifa group. It's estimated they'll get a list of 1.3 million users that went to the site including names, addresses and other personal information. That's a tad scary to me. I'm sure a lot of people that went to the site were just curious and are now on the DOJ list. I do hope they have methodology for winnowing the curious from the activists.

I agree, it bothers me (a lot) when the government goes after the membership of any group.




Danemora -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 12:35:04 PM)

That is scary. I see many folks just checking out of curiosity and not because they buy into the message or even support Antifa. Scary to think curiosity got the cat caught by the Feds 😊




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:24:03 PM)

That's close to the stupidest thing you have ever said.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:28:35 PM)


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Still out of contact with reality I see.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:34:37 PM)

No darling, I am very connected to reality, it is you who is deluding yourslef in your quest to paint yourself and a bunch of nazi fucks as victims of the evil (non-existent) left.
You wouldn't know a leftist if he was shoving his tongue up your asshole.




heavyblinker -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:49:54 PM)

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They should be designated a terrorist organization and locked up for conspiring to violate civil rights


But the Nazis are perfectly okay, just exercising free speech by shooting and killing people.
Anyone who supports Trump is above the law.




heavyblinker -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:51:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Danemora
That is scary. I see many folks just checking out of curiosity and not because they buy into the message or even support Antifa. Scary to think curiosity got the cat caught by the Feds 😊


Antifa is gaining popularity because of Trump, not because of curiosity.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:55:50 PM)


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No darling, I am very connected to reality, it is you who is deluding yourslef in your quest to paint yourself and a bunch of nazi fucks as victims of the evil (non-existent) left.
You wouldn't know a leftist if he was shoving his tongue up your asshole.

Once again you ignore the fact that I consider Nazis to be scum to. You are too blind to see that both Nazis and Intifa are scum. In fact Intifa engages in more violence than
even modern Nazis.




heavyblinker -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 1:58:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

No darling, I am very connected to reality, it is you who is deluding yourslef in your quest to paint yourself and a bunch of nazi fucks as victims of the evil (non-existent) left.
You wouldn't know a leftist if he was shoving his tongue up your asshole.

Once again you ignore the fact that I consider Nazis to be scum to. You are too blind to see that both Nazis and Intifa are scum. In fact Intifa engages in more violence than
even modern Nazis.


If you voted for Trump, you obviously don't think Nazis are so bad.
You are going after antifa while ignoring the Nazis simply because antifa is left and the Nazis are right.

This is exactly what the white nationalists are doing now as well.




Nnanji -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 2:03:42 PM)

Poor thing.




MercTech -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 2:57:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters




I tried the link and got a few seconds of looking at an article then was hit with a Java based phishing attack. It seemed like it took forever to close all the spawned windows wanting my computer login and password.




BamaD -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 2:59:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters




I tried the link and got a few seconds of looking at an article then was hit with a Java based phishing attack. It seemed like it took forever to close all the spawned windows wanting my computer login and password.

Strange, it didn't happen to me.




BoscoX -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 3:01:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Yep antifa is so peaceful.

www.silenceisconsent.net/breaking-now-antifa-attack-trump-supporters




I tried the link and got a few seconds of looking at an article then was hit with a Java based phishing attack. It seemed like it took forever to close all the spawned windows wanting my computer login and password.

Strange, it didn't happen to me.


Worked fine for me. No issues.




Musicmystery -> RE: Antifa attacks peaceful demonstration (8/28/2017 3:36:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Thanks for fixing it Bama

OK, here it is http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2017/08/anarchists_assault_5_at_san_fr.html

The interesting thing is that here, they are referred to as Anarchists, not AntiFA.

Yours was the only one I had seen calling them antiFA which may or may not be correct.

We must realize that AntiFA has a long history and it is not necessarily peaceful. They arose in Europe as a counterpoint to Naziism and they have risen and fallen as a counterpoint to neo-Nazis.
They fought as part of the Underground during WWII and were necessarily not peaceful then as well.

Because when fighting Nazis, perhaps peace isn't the way to go.

Is the US at fault for not being peaceful in World War II?

They are as bad as the Nazis. This attack wasn't against Nazis just people they disagreed with.
Like you everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. Sounds like the way Nazis think.

If you're just going to make up my thoughts for me, have this discussion in your head instead of publicly.

It is a shame you took that personally, I didn't say you think like the Nazis, I say antifa did, you aren't a spokesman for antifa are you.

If you're replying to me, and you use the word "you," it's not surprising to figure you're talking to me.

It's a shame you chose to be snotty about it besides.

I don't think Antifa thinks like Nazis either. I think their motivation is entirely different. One is attacking people who didn't attack; the other sees itself as defending against an active evil.




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