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vincentML -> RE: Pres. Trump to resume sending military weapons to local police. (9/1/2017 12:20:25 PM)


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Mr Rodgers the asshole protesters in Ferguson were using Molotov cocktails... police were shot...buildings set on fire...people beaten.. businesses looted. This was not a peaceful protest where poor old ladies with signs were assaulted by police storm troopers. The police made the mistake of not aggressively asserting control with every tool they had at the beginning of the riots...and look what happened.

Butch

Rest assured that this is to support you, not in any way to attack you.
Also there is gross misrepresentation of the equipment the police get.
Better vests endanger civilians, how?
Flshbangs endanger civilians, how?
Even apc's reduce the need to use firepower so they make civilians safer.
Now if the police were getting A-1 Abrams they would have an argument.
If the police were getting A-10s they would have an argument.
If they were getting flame throwers (which the military hasn't used for 40 years) they would
have an argument.
BTY I don't think it was the 100 pound woman so much as the 9 inch knife.


Your Government Lied To You About The Equipment Involved In President Obama’s Restrictions To Local Police Departments. More To The Point The Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions lied to you.

Obama did not ban Kevlar vests. Most helmets weren’t, either. Riot helmets (defined as those with shields over the face), Humvees and helicopters that are sometimes used in rescue missions, were still available to police forces as long as they explained why they needed them and certified that they had protocols and training in place so officers would use them safely. That requirement was dropped for riot helmets last October.

What the Obama administration did actually prohibit were tanks, weaponized vehicles, .50 caliber guns, grenade launchers, bayonets and digital-pattern camouflage uniforms. Those restrictions applied only to purchases using federal dollars through a Pentagon surplus program. Police departments remained free to buy them with state, local or private funds.

The attorney general asserted that the types of equipment limited by the Obama administration saved an officer from a bullet at the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando and helped police pursue the shooters in San Bernardino. But that’s not accurate, either. As shown in the very articles that Justice Department officials provided to reporters to support Sessions’ speech, the Orlando officer’s helmet that blocked the bullet wasn’t a riot helmet, so it never faced any restrictions. And the armored vehicles used in San Bernardino had wheels, so the Obama policy still permitted them, with the additional precautions described above. The Obama administration only prohibited buying tanks (armored vehicles that run on tracks instead of wheels) using federal resources.


Ewww . . . . What bold-ass lying!

Bama, it is interesting how you run to defend any organization or people in authority. Not just a little pathology there my friend.

SEE JEFF LIE





BamaD -> RE: Pres. Trump to resume sending military weapons to local police. (9/1/2017 12:22:41 PM)


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If our police want to use military equipment, I have no problem with THIS caveat.



DISSOLVE the 'thin blue line'
Hold the cops to the same standard as the military.
They want to act like "the big boys" FINE Hold them to the same standard.

Make them accountable at a higher standard than civilians.
Fuck up, go to Leavenworth
Watch a coworker fuck up and hide it, it's like you committed the same crime. GO TO LEAVENWORTH

Make the cops sign a civilian version of the UCMJ,

I'll support giving them big boy's toys then.

Sounds right. Most of the European paramilitary police auxiliaries are seconded from their army and work under military discipline and standards, so if you want to have an equivalent of the gendarmes or the cabinieri there, treating them the same way makes sense.

You do know that being military and havening leftover military equipment are not the same thing don't you?

Yes. This is why military sorts are a bit more trustworthy with the hardware than coppers, and why, when you want a paramilitary auxiliary to the police, you second it from the armed forces instead of giving the military machinery to coppers.
Is this really a difficult point?

Flashbangs and better vest don't make you paramilitary. It is the mission, not the equipment.
You should know that creating a paramilitary is treading on thin ice legally.

Whereas two tooled up policemen shooting a mentally ill woman in the back because she happened to have a kitchen knife isn't?

Where did you get that they shot her in the back, and she didn't happen to have a knife, it was the 2nd
time she tried to use it on them. But I know, no dead cops, the cops committed murder.




BamaD -> RE: Pres. Trump to resume sending military weapons to local police. (9/1/2017 12:47:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If our police want to use military equipment, I have no problem with THIS caveat.



DISSOLVE the 'thin blue line'
Hold the cops to the same standard as the military.
They want to act like "the big boys" FINE Hold them to the same standard.

Make them accountable at a higher standard than civilians.
Fuck up, go to Leavenworth
Watch a coworker fuck up and hide it, it's like you committed the same crime. GO TO LEAVENWORTH

Make the cops sign a civilian version of the UCMJ,

I'll support giving them big boy's toys then.

Sounds right. Most of the European paramilitary police auxiliaries are seconded from their army and work under military discipline and standards, so if you want to have an equivalent of the gendarmes or the cabinieri there, treating them the same way makes sense.

You do know that being military and havening leftover military equipment are not the same thing don't you?

Yes. This is why military sorts are a bit more trustworthy with the hardware than coppers, and why, when you want a paramilitary auxiliary to the police, you second it from the armed forces instead of giving the military machinery to coppers.
Is this really a difficult point?

Flashbangs and better vest don't make you paramilitary. It is the mission, not the equipment.
You should know that creating a paramilitary is treading on thin ice legally.

Whereas two tooled up policemen shooting a mentally ill woman in the back because she happened to have a kitchen knife isn't?

If your version reflected reality (which of course it doesn't) how would better vest affect it, of course
flashbangs could have prevented any death.




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