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its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

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its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

As I've written and tried to explain to you kinkroids, this is what happens when one creates...their own gods.

I have yet to figure out just what good they are. There certainly are no gods running our lives or our weather.

what you think you have no gods? Believe in science by any chance?

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My understanding of Job is that everything that happens (including the weather) is too God's fault as that whole book of the old testament makes it clear that God is deliberately tormenting the poor bastard to prove a point to Satan. He says as much when he finally deigns to answer Job's very justified tantrum towards the end, doesn't He?

Once again I'm amazed that people who want to criticize the God of the Bible, will do so on hearsay and not on what the Bible actually says. If you were to actually read the account you reference, you might notice that God not torment the "poor bastard".

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its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

As I've written and tried to explain to you kinkroids, this is what happens when one creates...their own gods.

I have yet to figure out just what good they are. There certainly are no gods running our lives or our weather.

what you think you have no gods? Believe in science by any chance?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

As I've written and tried to explain to you kinkroids, this is what happens when one creates...their own gods.

I have yet to figure out just what good they are. There certainly are no gods running our lives or our weather.

what you think you have no gods? Believe in science by any chance?

I have no gods and science is all we have but it could be time to sacrifice some virgins. We'll keep them over 18 in this modern secular age of ours.

Like BY who got to take on all of the teen virgins didn't he. Now there's my kinda god, although like I wrote...we'll keep 'em over 18.

I mean isn't that the way it all started out ? Then we get to do them before we sacrifice them. Sorry mom, it's god's word and also BTW, you and daddy, transfer all of your money to the church account on your way home ok ?

God has spoken.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

As I've written and tried to explain to you kinkroids, this is what happens when one creates...their own gods.

I have yet to figure out just what good they are. There certainly are no gods running our lives or our weather.

what you think you have no gods? Believe in science by any chance?

I have no gods and science is all we have but it could be time to sacrifice some virgins. We'll keep them over 18 in this modern secular age of ours.

Like BY who got to take on all of the teen virgins didn't he. Now there's my kinda god, although like I wrote...we'll keep 'em over 18.

I mean isn't that the way it all started out ? Then we get to do them before we sacrifice them. Sorry mom, it's god's word and also BTW, you and daddy, transfer all of your money to the church account on your way home ok ?

God has spoken.

well the word science did not exist in ancient times but its core attributes did.

as painful as this may be for you, even today, if you asked someone from that time period, you would be said to worship the god Apollo, Greco-Roman god of light, knowledge, intellect, and the sun.

Each god has attributes, gods can be either claimed by the bearer or assigned by observers with respect to your observed actions, that is the way Gods and Goddesses work.

If you were as touched as some of our fellow members here someone would say you worshipped Koalemos who is the god of stupidity and in terms of gods and goddesses they would be correct.

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My understanding of Job is that everything that happens (including the weather) is too God's fault as that whole book of the old testament makes it clear that God is deliberately tormenting the poor bastard to prove a point to Satan. He says as much when he finally deigns to answer Job's very justified tantrum towards the end, doesn't He?

Once again I'm amazed that people who want to criticize the God of the Bible, will do so on hearsay and not on what the Bible actually says. If you were to actually read the account you reference, you might notice that God not torment the "poor bastard".

The bible is hearsay from hearsay.

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its a handy dandy excuse apparently

I'm just curious how the Book of Job can be used to claim that anything in existence isn't an act of God. That really does strike me as a misprision and then some.

As I've written and tried to explain to you kinkroids, this is what happens when one creates...their own gods.

I have yet to figure out just what good they are. There certainly are no gods running our lives or our weather.

what you think you have no gods? Believe in science by any chance?

I have no gods and science is all we have but it could be time to sacrifice some virgins. We'll keep them over 18 in this modern secular age of ours.

Like BY who got to take on all of the teen virgins didn't he. Now there's my kinda god, although like I wrote...we'll keep 'em over 18.

I mean isn't that the way it all started out ? Then we get to do them before we sacrifice them. Sorry mom, it's god's word and also BTW, you and daddy, transfer all of your money to the church account on your way home ok ?

God has spoken.

well the word science did not exist in ancient times but its core attributes did.

as painful as this may be for you, even today, if you asked someone from that time period, you would be said to worship the god Apollo, Greco-Roman god of light, knowledge, intellect, and the sun.

Each god has attributes, gods can be either claimed by the bearer or assigned by observers with respect to your observed actions, that is the way Gods and Goddesses work.

If you were as touched as some of our fellow members here someone would say you worshipped Koalemos who is the god of stupidity and in terms of gods and goddesses they would be correct.

Now you see here, just because I am a non-believer and with you being so 'touched' whatever that means, the clear implication is that, I am stupid.

Dare I write this, you can...go to.....?

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As for all the other "floods", "Do you realy think that God has nothing better to do than sit around deciding what our weather is going to be from day to day?
So no, God did not SEND any of the" other floods in history.

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My understanding of Job is that everything that happens (including the weather) is too God's fault as that whole book of the old testament makes it clear that God is deliberately tormenting the poor bastard to prove a point to Satan. He says as much when he finally deigns to answer Job's very justified tantrum towards the end, doesn't He?

Once again I'm amazed that people who want to criticize the God of the Bible, will do so on hearsay and not on what the Bible actually says. If you were to actually read the account you reference, you might notice that God not torment the "poor bastard".

The bible is hearsay from hearsay.

Do you even know what hearsay is?

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So no, God did not SEND any of the" other floods in history.

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Like many Americans during the past three weeks, I've been bombarded by news about the destructive power of Hurricane Harvey in Texas and Hurricane Irma in Florida. The stories are of misery, death, and destruction.

The misery, death, and destruction are acutely difficult to accept because they have been visited upon innocents. I say that knowledgeable of the ancient argument that our personal and collective sinfulness has merited our pain. Yet that raises this question: Does anyone really deserve personal ruination because of personal sin, particularly from a God whose Son said He came to call sinners and not the just?

Stated differently, why does an all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful God permit innocents to suffer in natural disasters?

This question has occupied philosophers for millennia. The natural order of things has revealed that we all have free will, and we know from our experiences that we can easily abuse that free will. The individual will is so free that we can use it to do magnificent things or horrific things.

But a natural disaster is not the handiwork of anyone's free will. Could it really be the handiwork of an angry God impatient with the manner in which we have abused free will? This argument is not a logical extension of Christian teaching unless God is terribly inconsistent with His impatience over human failures and errors and has somehow overlooked and not yet grown impatient with the world's worst monsters...

Now back to the question posed earlier. If God the Father created us and loves us, why does He permit natural forces that He set in motion to harm and even to devour us? A similar question was actually addressed by our Lord Himself when He was approached by biblical scholars who asked about a young man who was blind from birth. The question they put to Jesus was: Whose sinning caused this man to be born blind? Was it the man himself or his parents?

The question may have been an attempted trap. Yet Jesus answered by saying essentially that no one's sins caused the blindness. Rather, he was born blind so that the works of God could be made manifest in him. In other words, he was born blind so that Jesus could cure his blindness publicly -- as He did -- and thereby enhance the faith and understanding of all who learned of this and believed it.

Of course, not all who learned of the cure of the blind man believed in Jesus' divinity. Some thought He was a charlatan performing tricks, and some thought the young man was never really blind. Their skepticism and doubts caused G. K. Chesterton to remark that "the Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried."

Chesterton recognized that we are free to believe or to reject belief. To those who believe in the all-loving God, we know that from time to time, He manifests Himself to give us a need to embrace Him, just as He did with the man born blind. That embrace is the test of faith. It was manifested in countless unseen acts of generosity and selflessness -- from believing stranger to believing stranger -- in Texas and in Florida.

I can hear the prayer of the faithful in pain. "O Lord, I prayed that the hurricane would not destroy my home, yet it did. I still love you, Lord, because my family was spared. I love you more now because I need you more now. I don't reject the truth. I embrace it, no matter the cost -- because the truth will keep my free will set upon you."

As pope, St. John Paul II called this rational belief. It is the essence of understanding. It is faith tempered by human reason and human reason informed by faith. Faith without reason and reason without faith lead to fanaticism. Only their informed juxtaposition will guide our free wills to do the right things and to have understanding when bad things happen.

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Ironically, when my Muslim girlfriend who all her life dressed normal decided to start dressing Muslim, covered up and stuffs. She complain to me about people's attitudes changing towards her, even long time friends or business partners. And I simply said to her too, "Allah is testing your faith! You need to pass his test. He is throwing obstacles at you to test you!" But anyway, she totally agrees with me. Because obviously recently she just got holier, and she loves the idea that all the problems she was facing was her Allah testing her. Makes her determined to pass all the "test".

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Do you realise that IF God allowed this whole Universe to just run on a AUTO-MODE. That literally MEANS, he seriously has nothing to do!

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What does he do exactly? I totally think he is busy creating these natural disasters when-ever he feels like it. It's his creation. His Universe. He can do whatever he wants! And Natural Disasters are one of them!

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You do realise the whole mechanism of this Earth is created by him right? Including how Natural Disaster could even possibly occur on Earth?

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Because if only Natural Disaster was truly Man-Made. If we knew how to activate it, we would already know how to control it and stop it.
The truth is, it's supernatural shit. Supernatural means God magic.

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Otherwise, he is gonna be bored to death. He gave everyone free will remember? He can't interfere with anything. He is not creating new things lately. Unless he is busy working on new planets. And you believe in Aliens.

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And doesn't the bible always say God likes to test your faith or something?

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I totally think this Natural Disaster is all part and parcel of testing your faith and what he lives to do. To keep testing if his creations are unfailingly loyal to him despite the hardships he heaps on them.
And in some ways, this is one of the less cruel ones.

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I remembered my super holy Christian teacher lost her 21 yr old only child in an accident, went to Jerusalem to seek healing from God, and then tripped and broke her arm there, right in whatever "holy place" she was in.
All I can say is, God was testing her faith.

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Ironically, when my Muslim girlfriend who all her life dressed normal decided to start dressing Muslim, covered up and stuffs. She complain to me about people's attitudes changing towards her, even long time friends or business partners. And I simply said to her too, "Allah is testing your faith! You need to pass his test. He is throwing obstacles at you to test you!" But anyway, she totally agrees with me. Because obviously recently she just got holier, and she loves the idea that all the problems she was facing was her Allah testing her. Makes her determined to pass all the "test".

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My understanding of Job is that everything that happens (including the weather) is too God's fault as that whole book of the old testament makes it clear that God is deliberately tormenting the poor bastard to prove a point to Satan. He says as much when he finally deigns to answer Job's very justified tantrum towards the end, doesn't He?

Once again I'm amazed that people who want to criticize the God of the Bible, will do so on hearsay and not on what the Bible actually says. If you were to actually read the account you reference, you might notice that God not torment the "poor bastard".

The bible is hearsay from hearsay.

Do you even know what hearsay is?

Actually, he is correct.

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So no, God did not SEND any of the" other floods in history.

How do you know this? Did he tell you?